Few Newb Questions and Confirmations.....

Hazardus - Heavens Tear · October 2008

Hi there! I've got some rather basic questions I hope someone can explain to me.

1. I read here that weapons or armors have different 'levels'. Is that the same as 'grade' mentioned on the item's details or is that something else that I'm missing.

2. Manufacturing items. I've just learnt the basic skills. I'm guessing I need to manufacture 10 items of one grade to move on to the next level of the skill? If so then how many skill levels are there for these skills and does progressing to the next manufacturing skill level depend on your characters level like in the combat skills?

3. Is it all right if I make one wep every few levels (as I need it) or do I need to make more and get to the next manufacturing skill level sooner? I guess another question here is can I manufacture weapons of a higher level/grade than my current manufacturing skill level.

4. Manufacturing items myself seems to save me some gold at least in these lower levels. Does this trend continue into higher levels, or at some point does it just become cheaper to buy from NPC directly? (assuming you have not got enough drops for jades etc. and need to buy those form an NPC).

5. I read here that weapon/armor stats can be varied by Imbuing a soul-stone into it. I guess the wep/armor needs a socket for that. My current level stuff doesn't seem to have any sockets. I'm assuming higher level equipments do. At what levels do items start having sockets and at what level do I need to start using them?

6. If I were to disassemble a weapon I had imbued stones into, can I get the stones back? Or do I just get some Yinguan (white stones) which I cant seem to do anything with?

7. I also read that an item can be refined with a mirage stone. What is the benefit of refining a wep over imbuing more/higher level soul-stones (I know they must be same level as wep, but wouldn't that be enough?). Or am I to understand that refining increases the total effect of the weapon/armor and the stones?

8. Lastly, about materials. I read lower grade soul-stones can be made into higher level stones by the jewel craftsmen? Is there any similar method to convert ('refine'?) lower grade mats into higher grades? For e.g. X amount of Pig Iron can be refined into one of carbon steel?

Whew! Thats all for now b:laugh.....will try and think more up later.

Thanks in advance for your replies.b:thanks Loving the game so far.b:victory

Monarch - Lost City · October 2008

1. I read here that weapons or armors have different 'levels'. Is that the same as 'grade' mentioned on the item's details or is that something else that I'm missing.
(Yes, Grade/Level same thing.)

2. Manufacturing items. I've just learnt the basic skills. I'm guessing I need to manufacture 10 items of one grade to move on to the next level of the skill? If so then how many skill levels are there for these skills and does progressing to the next manufacturing skill level depend on your characters level like in the combat skills?
(Yes, you need to craft 10 items of that level to be able to move up to the next. There are 5 levels of crafting. You can get 1-3 pre lvl 50, and at lvl 50 you get the quest for lvl 4 crafting.)

3. Is it all right if I make one wep every few levels (as I need it) or do I need to make more and get to the next manufacturing skill level sooner? I guess another question here is can I manufacture weapons of a higher level/grade than my current manufacturing skill level.
(If you stick solely to 1 weapon type (Say dual hammers) then the next dual hammer is in 10 levels.)

4. Manufacturing items myself seems to save me some gold at least in these lower levels. Does this trend continue into higher levels, or at some point does it just become cheaper to buy from NPC directly? (assuming you have not got enough drops for jades etc. and need to buy those form an NPC).
(Crafting your own will always be cheaper (granted you harvest instead of cash shop or player shop) and has the added benefit of extra stats on the weapon. All merchant bought are straight 1 star items.)

5. I read here that weapon/armor stats can be varied by Imbuing a soul-stone into it. I guess the wep/armor needs a socket for that. My current level stuff doesn't seem to have any sockets. I'm assuming higher level equipments do. At what levels do items start having sockets and at what level do I need to start using them?
(Any level of item can have a socket, it just has to be dropped from a mob or player crafted.)

6. If I were to disassemble a weapon I had imbued stones into, can I get the stones back? Or do I just get some Yinguan (white stones) which I cant seem to do anything with?
(You cannot get the stones back as far as I know. The Yinguan stones can be used to create certain items at the apocothary as well as fuel the "burst" function of your flying mount.)

7. I also read that an item can be refined with a mirage stone. What is the benefit of refining a wep over imbuing more/higher level soul-stones (I know they must be same level as wep, but wouldn't that be enough?). Or am I to understand that refining increases the total effect of the weapon/armor and the stones?
(You can fill the sockets with the gems, and mirage celestones add a +1 - whatever + on the item, improving the stats for each +.)

8. Lastly, about materials. I read lower grade soul-stones can be made into higher level stones by the jewel craftsmen? Is there any similar method to convert ('refine'?) lower grade mats into higher grades? For e.g. X amount of Pig Iron can be refined into one of carbon steel?
(I believe there is a system, I personally have not used it. But I horde all mats and will use them to craft stuff for an alt toon some day.)

xauss · October 2008

1. I read here that weapons or armors have different 'levels'. Is that the same as 'grade' mentioned on the item's details or is that something else that I'm missing.
(Yes, Grade/Level same thing.)
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2. Manufacturing items. I've just learnt the basic skills. I'm guessing I need to manufacture 10 items of one grade to move on to the next level of the skill? If so then how many skill levels are there for these skills and does progressing to the next manufacturing skill level depend on your characters level like in the combat skills?
(Yes, you need to craft 10 items of that level to be able to move up to the next. There are 5 levels of crafting. You can get 1-3 pre lvl 50, and at lvl 50 you get the quest for lvl 4 crafting.)
10 items of that tier (you get a lower amount of skill xp if you craft lower grade items)
you cannot create items of a higher tier than your skill level, and you cannot get the craft quests to up your level until your character reaches the appropriate level (e.g. you need to be level 50 to get the quest for tier 4 crafting)

3. Is it all right if I make one wep every few levels (as I need it) or do I need to make more and get to the next manufacturing skill level sooner? I guess another question here is can I manufacture weapons of a higher level/grade than my current manufacturing skill level.
(If you stick solely to 1 weapon type (Say dual hammers) then the next dual hammer is in 10 levels.)
no you cannot "manufacture weapons of a higher level/grade than my current manufacturing skill level"

4. Manufacturing items myself seems to save me some gold at least in these lower levels. Does this trend continue into higher levels, or at some point does it just become cheaper to buy from NPC directly? (assuming you have not got enough drops for jades etc. and need to buy those form an NPC).
(Crafting your own will always be cheaper (granted you harvest instead of cash shop or player shop) and has the added benefit of extra stats on the weapon. All merchant bought are straight 1 star items.)
the reason people craft is to get better equiptment than NPC stuff, and to be less reliant on others. levelling crafing is actually expensive for a player, since selling the mats would be more profitable

5. I read here that weapon/armor stats can be varied by Imbuing a soul-stone into it. I guess the wep/armor needs a socket for that. My current level stuff doesn't seem to have any sockets. I'm assuming higher level equipments do. At what levels do items start having sockets and at what level do I need to start using them?
(Any level of item can have a socket, it just has to be dropped from a mob or player crafted.)
all made / dropped items have a chance of sockets. weapons can only ever have a maximum of 2, and armour 4. jewelry doesnt have sockets

6. If I were to disassemble a weapon I had imbued stones into, can I get the stones back? Or do I just get some Yinguan (white stones) which I cant seem to do anything with?
(You cannot get the stones back as far as I know. The Yinguan stones can be used to create certain items at the apocothary as well as fuel the "burst" function of your flying mount.)
diassasembling (fully repaired) 3* items give mirage stones. you never get soulstones, and all other 1*/2* give 'fuel'

7. I also read that an item can be refined with a mirage stone. What is the benefit of refining a wep over imbuing more/higher level soul-stones (I know they must be same level as wep, but wouldn't that be enough?). Or am I to understand that refining increases the total effect of the weapon/armor and the stones?
(You can fill the sockets with the gems, and mirage celestones add a +1 - whatever + on the item, improving the stats for each +.)
refining (+s) improves the item. it adds attack to weapons (both mattck and pattck on magic weps). it adds HP to armours and increased, pdef, mdef or dodge on jewelry (depending on what sort the jewelry is)

8. Lastly, about materials. I read lower grade soul-stones can be made into higher level stones by the jewel craftsmen? Is there any similar method to convert ('refine'?) lower grade mats into higher grades? For e.g. X amount of Pig Iron can be refined into one of carbon steel?
(I believe there is a system, I personally have not used it. But I horde all mats and will use them to craft stuff for an alt toon some day.)
soulstones can be upgraded to higher tiers, mats cannot

Hazardus - Heavens Tear · October 2008

Thanks for the quick responses. Here's those few more I said I'd think up laterb:laugh

What exactly do the "stars" on items indicate? Is it something determined by the manufacturing process and Im guessing its done to alter the items stats (maybe in a predetermined manner? more atk/def etc.) and the more stars the better?

I guess a refinement is a bit like having put all types of soul-stones into the wep and so better?

If I manufacture 10 items for lvl1 manufacturing skill but I only use 1 what am I to do with the other 9? Sell them at NPC or player store? I am starting to see why you say levelling these skills is quite expensive.
Is there some way I can use components from these weps to make higher level equipments?

Thanks again allb:thanks

xauss · October 2008

What exactly do the "stars" on items indicate? Is it something determined by the manufacturing process and Im guessing its done to alter the items stats (maybe in a predetermined manner? more atk/def etc.) and the more stars the better?
relative quality 2* > 1* and 3* > 2*
roughly (these are not the actual ratio's) 65% of made items will be 1*, 25% 2* and 10% 3*
mobs only drop 1* items, although fb bosses can drop 3* as well as molders

I guess a refinement is a bit like having put all types of soul-stones into the wep and so better?
well not really, although both are ways of improving an item. at higher levels, you will probably find you are using both mirages and soulstones

If I manufacture 10 items for lvl1 manufacturing skill but I only use 1 what am I to do with the other 9? Sell them at NPC or player store? I am starting to see why you say levelling these skills is quite expensive.
most crafted items are pretty junk, and only really good to npc (unless u need the feul from disassembling), so even at mid levels, you will probably find yourself saving up mats and making a few or more of the same item until you get a good one.

Is there some way I can use components from these weps to make higher level equipments?
nope, some may be sufficiently good enough to sell to other players, the others just npc or disassemble for feul (for flying burst, or for use in making pharmacist stuff)

Hazardus - Heavens Tear · October 2008

Thanks for the reply.

Although I'm still not exactly clear as to in what way is a 3* better than a 2* wep ( I must be thickb:surrender), but I guess I'll find out as I go along.

I was afraid that mastering manufacture skills is gonna cost me......oh well.....guess Ill leave that for when I have more coins. (If ever)

On a different track now, does the amount of items I am carrying i.e. full inventory (I horde mats too) affect my traveling speed? I don't think it does, but just wanted to confirm that. Still got to collect some antlers and horns for more bank space......and NO I'm not buying them for those silly PC shop pricesb:angry

I would've asked about the community but these prompt responses seem to have answered that question already. b:victory

/haiku/ - Lost City · October 2008

The community varies, but yeah most people are pretty helpful on the forums when you have a question. :P

If you would like to manufacture, I would personally recommend choosing one to level up and work on as you level your character, and waiting until later to take up others. I find Apoth is a great one for being new, because making the Apoth level 1-3 hp/mp regen items can really make questing and grinding much easier (way less pots/meditating). Not to mention herbs are much easier to farm in mass amounts than the materials you would need to make equips, and you can easily sell your other mats for higher prices than you could herbs. Just my 2 cents there. xd

Usually the more *s, the higher the "base" stats. For example a 2* weapon may have 10 attack higher than its blue name 1* counterpart, and a 3* may have 20 more. Something to keep in mind though is you can make a 1* or 2* item better than a 3* if it has sockets (providing the 3* does not or has undesirable bonus stats) and you're willing to shell out money for gems. Also, the more stars an item has the more it will cost to repair.

Hazardus - Heavens Tear · October 2008

So then I guess my next question would be how to put the stars there?

Is it done by adding something to the materials used in manufacturing? Or is it a post manufacturing process?

Also whats the blue named weps indicate? I used to think it was indicative of the stars, until I saw a 1* item with a blue name on sale at a PC shop, with (I think) higher stats than its NPC 1* counterpart.

Additionally if any level of item can have a socket, it just has to be dropped from a mob or player crafted, is it a random chance or is there some add-on ingredient for making sockets?

Thanks for all the patience guys and galsb:thanks

Yourmom - Lost City · October 2008

So then I guess my next question would be how to put the stars there?
Get lucky, or craft special items such as the HH(TT) weapons when you hit level 60 or molder items.

Is it done by adding something to the materials used in manufacturing? Or is it a post manufacturing process?
Its done while crafting. There is a chance that when you craft something it will come out with 1 star and additional stats. A smaller chance that it will have 2 stars. And there's an even smaller chance that it will have 3 stars and really good stats.

Also whats the blue named weps indicate? I used to think it was indicative of the stars, until I saw a 1* item with a blue name on sale at a PC shop, with (I think) higher stats than its NPC 1* counterpart.
Blue names are basically a little bit better than white name 1 star items. The blue ones will have an additional stat added onto them usually. For example strength +1. Or more often endurance +10%.

Additionally if any level of item can have a socket, it just has to be dropped from a mob or player crafted, is it a random chance or is there some add-on ingredient for making sockets?
It is a random chance usually. However there is a cash shop item called a socket stone that can be used to add sockets to equipment. I haven't used them, but I believe the number of stones necessary to add a socket to an item depends on the current stats of the item in question.

Hazardus - Heavens Tear · October 2008

Thanks all for the replies allb:thanks. I think I understand the basics now....finally got both blacksmiths and tailoring to lvl2....

Got me a lvl 3 armor and dual axes with sockets b:victory....now what should I put in that I wonder? Maybe some of the stones for accuracy I guess seeing as I'm a Barbarian and miss so bloody much b:laugh

Anyways, thanks again allb:thanks

/haiku/ - Lost City · October 2008

Phy attack or accuracy, yes. :P Gems can get rather expensive as you get higher leveled, so sometimes sockets aren't the best way to go (especially with lower leveled gear that you won't be using for all that long).

_minta_ - Heavens Tear · October 2008

Hazardus, if u have 2 sockets, put in 2 same lvl 5+ gems and ur weapon/armor will glow

Landostander - Lost City · October 2008

Actually I'm at lvl 26 and I'm still using my fb19 weapon, I stuffed a couple of gems that I picked up from mobs into it to up the accuracy and attack a bit more, though I'm considering just playing around with refining the weapon to see what happens.

I think when I looked into refining though I noticed you can do more than just toss some Mirage stones into the mix and hope for the best. Could this be a place for me to use those Buddha's hands that I've been randomly picking up or maybe a Yijuan stone?

gattsuru · October 2008

Nope. Buddha's Hands do nothing but sell to NPCs for money, and yiyang stones are used for powered Aerocraft 'sprints' or to craft some paper Charms.

Landostander - Lost City · October 2008

I guess then the obvious follow up question to that is. "Is there in fact anything you can throw into the refining mix other than Mirage Celestones and the weapon or armor you're refining?"

I've also noticed that there's some goblin looking guy in Archosaur not far from the west entrance that deals with level refining or something like that?

Hazardus - Heavens Tear · October 2008

Archosaur seems to have a multitude of NPCs for everything. Many bankers, tailors etc. So it wouldn't surprise me if theres more than one guy to refine stuff too.

Btw, since its been brought up how much does refining something add to wep/armor stats?

And Lando, "I think when I looked into refining though I noticed you can do more than just toss some Mirage stones into the mix and hope for the best." What you mean? I dont see anything else that can be done in refining except>> put miragestones here b:chuckle (mind you haven't refined anything yet) and my fb19 axe says it cant be refined.

Also once you add some stones in the wep, can they be removed?

Whats this "focus powder" I keep reading about and where do I get some? Same for heiros?

And I see manufacturing lvl 3 stuff has gotten harder. Need materials to make materials to make stuff.......and fewer basic materials dropping.......been forced to use NPC stuff till I get some....

And lastly, whats the difference between pets and mounts? As I understand it only venos can have pets and they help in combat. All classes can have mounts, but they need to be purchased with zen/gold and they do not help in combat...........Am I correct on that?

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