kill Stealing ?? Rule??

You can report only if something is against PWI's TOS and that's pretty much only hacking and character names with forbidden words. KS:ing is just rude, nothing else.

Agreed with Vhuntrd... Most of the people did not know you are attacking a particular mob... hence, went over to attack it... Especially if you are a Range user, u might often ks people... And if you are a melee character, the opposite way... ppl might 'ks' you...

sanai01 wrote: »

As for this me, if I accidentally hit your target at the same time you're hitting it or after you, I usually back off. If i hit it first then you hit it, well I consider that mine.

i agree if u hit first ur should be your loot, there should be some sort of block in so u get like 30 seconds to collect the loot or its anyones that would be better asuming that there isnt one in place allready

Yes i think most KS is acidental..i dont know how many time ive started to attack a mob, by the time my pet has started to attack and my spell cast, someone else is attacking it also:) its going to happen when there is no system in place like wow tat tells you that its not your kill:) just going to learn to live with it amd move on:)

sanai01 wrote: »

... Ranged fighters and magic users rely on their ranged attacks and some takes time to cast,

Correct, and on top of that I'll usually queue a second spell during the channeling of the first. When those have done their job, the rest is for my pet. I normally stop and call back my pet when I find I am attacking, or about to attack, something that somebody else is working on, but sometimes you find out too late. I see most people reacting in a similar way.

produde wrote: »

... Some players never intend to pick stuff up as they are just grinding...

Inventories can be full. Especially when collecting herbs and combining quests I may prefer to finish the last couple of kills before going back and selling.

unlike some games, when 2 players attack the same monster (reguardless of who was first), whoever does the most damage gets credit for the kill (if doing a kill quest) and gets to collect all the drops...but the exp+sp are shared proportionately: i.e., if the first player did 80% damage, he gets 80% of the exp+sp.

most KSing i encounter is accidental. but several times i've had ppl come up and start attacking a monster that im attacking and been attacking for awhile. and in one case the person wouldn't back off!! i was VERY upset. ppl that purposely KS are so mean b:cry

isnt it in this way here that who got the "first shot / strike" gets the loot and also those quest itmes (if needed) ?
So this shouldnt be a problem getting the items one needs for finishing quest.
xps are parted on damge count, but so xps from mobs are so low most times that its really no matter if another gets 5 xps and i get at least only 17 instead of 22.

For myself i have no problem if another one is attacking same mob then i do after i started. Sometimes when i notice that a ppl is heavy fighting and cant really kill the mob i step in and help him a bit with 1 or 2 shots to get mob's hp down and then let the other ppl do the rest.

when i start to attack a mob and notice that there is one also attking same one i most times step back and let him / her kill and look for another one..

miichiin wrote: »

most KSing i encounter is accidental. but several times i've had ppl come up and start attacking a monster that im attacking and been attacking for awhile. and in one case the person wouldn't back off!! i was VERY upset. ppl that purposely KS are so mean b:cry

Actually they might not be mean. I have run into a few people like that who actually think they are helping. They might be trying to "save" you.

I also have run into a few people who are very shy and do that hoping you will see how valuable they are and thus you will invite them to group with you.

They'd have the critters running after them, until they either kill them, get killed or run away. In the last case the critters will follow a while, until they give up and run to their original location. During the running back the critters are mostly untouchable and not aggressive, you can hit them and they'll heal immediately while ignoring you.

Daekara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Only true way to stop intentional KS'ing is:

Once a monster is claimed (first hit) by a person, then the monster becomes soley that person's kill, no one else can attack it.

To avoid players claiming a group of monsters for themselves the system works as:

If a person claims one monster and then tries to claim another, the first monster then becomes available to all to attack, etc etc, so you can never have sole claim on more than one monster, (you can attack more than one monster, but you can never claim more than one monster).

If you're wondering how this system would work with parties, its the same principal yet only the members of the party can attack the same monster.

And lastly, if a person dies while fighting their claimed monster then the monster again becomes free for all.

You obviously haven't played with AoE-skills if you think that "claiming" would work in anyway.
We all have skills to deal dmg to several monsters at a time and sometimes its way faster too,if you can take the hits.
Your system would promote even more killstealing, ksers just wait someone to AoE couple mobs and then kill the others while the guy tanks them all.

There allready is a system that prevents KSing, hit first and do enough dmg. If you didnt get the drops/quest kill, you were too slow or didnt do enough dmg. And if you were slow, YOU were actually ksing.

And if KSing really gets that bad,change server.

Monsters are free for all after people die, they regen to full hp and return to their spot.

Only true way to stop killstealing is to just do more dmg and and hit the monster first.

I haven't had any trouble with PKing, but I've noticed some things that might be helpful (NOTE: I only play on heavens tear, it may be different on other servers): There is a time limit for looting. IDK how long it is, but you are required to wait a certain amount of time before taking the loot from somebody else's kill (I believe is essentially who hit first, not who killed it, who gets first dibs on items and such) And, once you have begun charging your skill, I think it counts as you hitting it, thus making it your kill, just that the actual damage has not yet been dealt.

Hope that helped. These aren't proven, but they're things I'm pretty sure of.

I think that it's very clear that most of the people here (including myself) view that the kill stealing that occur in PWI is accidental; so the only thing left for users to exercise is common courtesy and I think most of the people that posted on this thread has done just that.

thom wrote: »

You obviously haven't played with AoE-skills if you think that "claiming" would work in anyway.
We all have skills to deal dmg to several monsters at a time and sometimes its way faster too,if you can take the hits.
Your system would promote even more killstealing, ksers just wait someone to AoE couple mobs and then kill the others while the guy tanks them all.

There allready is a system that prevents KSing, hit first and do enough dmg. If you didnt get the drops/quest kill, you were too slow or didnt do enough dmg. And if you were slow, YOU were actually ksing.

And if KSing really gets that bad,change server.

Monsters are free for all after people die, they regen to full hp and return to their spot.

Only true way to stop killstealing is to just do more dmg and and hit the monster first.

Actually the system i mentioned above is already active in another online game, and has been for for a number of years now, and they also have aoe skills, so it does work. I simply wouldnt state something that hadnt already been tried and tested.

Your translation of AOE skills in this matter is quite simply just pure greed, yes you can aoe a bunch of monsters but only one will actually be your claim, which leaves the rest still available to others, so if somone comes along and wants to take one they can, in this case you only have yourself to blame for being greedy and trying to hog all the monsters in the area to yourself, so there actually is no KS'ing involved.

And anyway my statement basically meant that although there are ways they could have dealt with KS'ing, we have to make do with the way things are, and its 100% true that the majority of the KS'ing in PW is accidental.

Most of the time when I kill steal from someone its because my spells that take a very long time to channel like Divine Pyrogram. While I am channeling its quite often a Blademaster or Barbarian will start to attack my target while channeling. I dont blame them for attacking them. I attack from so far away they probably dont even know I am behind them let alone attacking the same creature they are. But sometimes when I see a Blademaster or Barbarian that takes all day to kill a creature and they dont want to be a squadmate of me I will purposefully steal their kills. I am not going to waste my time and wait forever for someone to kill a creature when I want to kill it as well. If I waited for them every time I would never kill anything because I usually start attacking a creature with spells that take a long time to channel (so I can use the quick channel spells right after while fighting).

Kill stealing also saves lives. I sometimes see someone who doesnt know they are being attacked my several creatures or that their target has "increased life" or "increased defence" and not able to handle the situation. I will purposefully start a push area of effect spell like Will of the Phoenix to get them off the person being ganged up then and get them after me. I will then fly out of there and save their life. I have no obligation to save someone else's life. I risk my own to save theirs when I don't even have enough hitpoints to handle 5 strikes.

When it comes to neglected loot I have no problem with people taking my loot if I don't pick it up right away and neither should anyone else. If enough time goes by that anyone can pick up the loot its obvious that the person who killed for that loot did not care enough for it to pick it up right way. Yes, I know there are times when your getting attacked by several creatures and you have to move on to the next one or retreat and its difficult to pick up your loot. There you have to make a choice. Its either killing the next creature or your drop. You can always have both and there are situations you must choose. I don't think anyone would want a valueable item to just disapear and nobody acquires it. And if I have to retreat after I kill a creature I would prefer that someone else gets the loot rather than to disapear.

There is no rule and there never should be for kill stealing or neglected loot recovering. It is to subjective to opinion who stole who's kill. There is quite a long time to pick up an object before anyone else can pick it up. There could be a safeguard implimented to make it 1 vs 1 killing but, squads would be useless against that creature and also people who like to start with spell or ablities that take a long time to channel will never get a chance to kill anything. If you kill a creature and it drops loot you want to pick it up don't waste your time and pick it up already. If someone can pick it up its like trash on the side of your property and its fair game to pick up.

Anyone who complains to me about stealing your kills or taking your loot should just realize that you do not own the creatures and that you do not own that loot once someone else can pick it up. If you want to prevent kill stealing get yourself a 60+ wizard.