Why cant Cleric's heal right?

acolyte
acolyte Posts: 0 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Cleric
Why is it that everytime someone tank's, we see that the Health charm the tank has :eek: is the one that saves him or her?

If a Barb was tanking without the charm, he/she would be dead long ago and the group would wipe!

So i ask, why can't you Clerics heal enough?

Is it because most are build to do dmg?

I really wanna know this. :(

And i wish we could Unequip those Charms just to prove it!
This game is getting more & more Hostility each day.

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  • Blessing - Heavens Tear
    Blessing - Heavens Tear Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    So because your HP charm ticks 1 or 2 times, it's a cleric's fault? QQ more. Our MP charms ticks like 20+ per boss and you're whining about your charm ticking maybe every once in awhile.

    Yes, it might be the cleric's fault if he/she isn't spamming Ironheart blessing. That's when you get a 2nd cleric to help out.
  • acolyte
    acolyte Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    Blessing - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So because your HP charm ticks 1 or 2 times, it's a cleric's fault? QQ more. Our MP charms ticks like 20+ per boss and you're whining about your charm ticking maybe every once in awhile.

    Yes, it might be the cleric's fault if he/she isn't spamming Ironheart blessing. That's when you get a 2nd cleric to help out.

    Im saying: WTF would the cleric do if the tank didnt have a charm? :eek:
    This game is getting more & more Hostility each day.

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  • Feraldreamz - Heavens Tear
    Feraldreamz - Heavens Tear Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    It all depends on the level/experience of the cleric, the level of the tank, and the level of the boss.
  • Blessing - Heavens Tear
    Blessing - Heavens Tear Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    acolyte wrote: »
    Im saying: WTF would the cleric do if the tank didnt have a charm? :eek:

    Let me counter that with WTF would a tank do if the cleric didn't have a MP charm?

    It's the way the game was designed. They want you to spend money on this game. The F2P part is a lie. You are forced to spend lots on charms near the higher lvls

    If you don't play with charms, one of the following will happen to you:
    1) Quit the game
    2) Hate the game because squads/parties/guilds will not invite you to dungeons/events/territorial wars
    3) Play this game for the MMO aspect where you spend all your time chatting with others. This usually leads to quitting the game anyways.

    Solution:
    Get charms. Get them now, by maintenance tonight. I bought about 60 Silver Charms last night to stock up before the sale ends.
  • Bean - Lost City
    Bean - Lost City Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    As a lower level cleric I have to agree with most of what Blessing has to say, ESPECIALLY as a Cleric playing on a PVP server. You NEED to have attack skills or else any saber rattling has you running to the far ends of the world. NOT ONLY THIS, but you have to realize that Clerics arn't a pure healer class, if we were we would level once in a blue moon and only vicariously because you will need someone to help you with quests. Bottom line is this: You have x spirit points, its hard to balance, but get Ironheart Blessing and Soon the Light and pray that your tank has common sense.

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  • acolyte
    acolyte Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    Blessing - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If you don't play with charms, one of the following will happen to you:

    2) Hate the game because squads/parties/guilds will not invite you to dungeons/events/territorial wars

    I hope this isnt true!

    Now is the time where you reply saying "it's a joke".

    :(
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  • Blessing - Heavens Tear
    Blessing - Heavens Tear Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    acolyte wrote: »
    I hope this isnt true!

    Now is the time where you reply saying "it's a joke".

    :(

    I'm sorry, it's 100% true. Try doing Twilight Temple (HH) dungeon runs without them.
  • hugsnotdrugs
    hugsnotdrugs Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited September 2008
    and as far as the argument about clerics being built for damage instead of healing.

    putting points in spirit increases our damage and healing at the same time. and even clerics bent on being a pker or pvper are going to max ironheart... so its the same build in essence to be a healer or a damage build.
  • lirdor
    lirdor Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    This game it is really obnoxious the way clerics work. But essentially the biggest thing is in this game healing is more like a snowball that has to pick up speed, rather then a sudden surge like it is in most MMOs. The only good heal is a heal over time that stacks. So when we start healing it sucks, then as it stacks on more it gets decent and stabalizes.

    just a hypothetical random chart to explain lol (numbers are not intended to be accurate)

    Time HP/Second
    1 second 50
    2 seconds 100
    3 seconds 150
    4 seconds 200
    5 seconds 250
    6 seconds 300
    7 seconds 350
    8 seconds 400
    9 seconds 450

    so yeah for the first 5 seconds or so the clerics are kinda screwed unless they spam like hell before the battle starts. But in that case they are burning their resource, because, while your charm may go out and burn 1000 hp once or twice in the battle, your clerics are burning over 200 MP a second, and frying the hell out of their spirit charms.
  • prosper
    prosper Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    acolyte wrote: »
    Why is it that everytime someone tank's, we see that the Health charm the tank has :eek: is the one that saves him or her?

    If a Barb was tanking without the charm, he/she would be dead long ago and the group would wipe!

    So i ask, why can't you Clerics heal enough?

    Is it because most are build to do dmg?

    I really wanna know this. :(

    And i wish we could Unequip those Charms just to prove it!

    Why is it that werebeasts can't tank right?

    Why is it that every time someone heals, we see that the mana charm the healer has is the one that saves their MP?

    If the cleric was healing without the charm, he/she would have run out of mana long ago and the tanker would die!

    So I ask, why can't you werebeasts tank enough?

    Is it because most are built to dodge attacks?

    I really wanna know this. :(

    And i wish we could unequip those charms just to prove it!
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  • Deadbone - Lost City
    Deadbone - Lost City Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    its really not good to spam heals on full speed or your hiero will trigger every 10 seconds
    so normally you heal at a lower pace and let your hiero tick 3/4th of the time and the tanks hiero 1/4th (depends on the boss, mood, current coincount and other factors like the Moon)
    thats mostly because u want to split the costs a bit for charms or the EP has no money soon and cant heal at all
  • cjtign
    cjtign Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    acolyte wrote: »
    Im saying: WTF would the cleric do if the tank didnt have a charm? :eek:

    Sounds like your playing with noob clerics who don't know how to use their toolset properly.

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  • bestpaladinintheworld
    bestpaladinintheworld Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    acolyte wrote: »
    Is it because most are build to do dmg?

    Well if you knew anything about the cleric class you would know damage build is the same thing as maximum heal build since they both use the magic stat.

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  • bestpaladinintheworld
    bestpaladinintheworld Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited October 2008
    cjtign wrote: »
    Sounds like your playing with noob clerics who don't know how to use their toolset properly.

    -Jagermeister

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    Don't give them credit jager lol ur too nice

    Its a joke to keep a tank alive in this game they've really set it up easy to play the cleric class and to do damage at the same time so the problem probably lies on the tanks side for not knowing how to mitigate damage or you are doing mobs / bosses that are just to hard at your level.
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  • StreamElf - Sanctuary
    StreamElf - Sanctuary Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Last time i had a 60k mp charm.. I burned it in one day by just doing BHs!
    So don't blame us when the tanks charm ticks. Besides.. Everyone always sees the tanks charm tick, but they don't notice that our charm ticks too b:infuriated
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  • PsychicHarpy - Heavens Tear
    PsychicHarpy - Heavens Tear Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    acolyte wrote: »
    Why is it that everytime someone tank's, we see that the Health charm the tank has :eek: is the one that saves him or her?

    If a Barb was tanking without the charm, he/she would be dead long ago and the group would wipe!

    So i ask, why can't you Clerics heal enough?

    Is it because most are build to do dmg?

    I really wanna know this. :(

    And i wish we could Unequip those Charms just to prove it!

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  • Astoru - Heavens Tear
    Astoru - Heavens Tear Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Necro much?
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  • Tryagain - Harshlands
    Tryagain - Harshlands Posts: 716 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    StreamElf - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Last time i had a 60k mp charm.. I burned it in one day by just doing BHs!
    So don't blame us when the tanks charm ticks. Besides.. Everyone always sees the tanks charm tick, but they don't notice that our charm ticks too b:infuriated

    Wow I wish I could go back to that.

    I go through platinum charms (2 mil mp) in 2-3 days.

    And to the OP. It's very easy to keep a tank alive. It's not so easy to keep the tank's charm from ticking. There are several bosses that hit fairly weakly but then have one big attack that they periodically do for like 60% of the tanks health. Instant tick and there's not a thing the cleric can do about it.
  • FatherTed - Dreamweaver
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,723 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Necro much?

    Just a little b:chuckle
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  • aryannamage
    aryannamage Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Closing this.
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