Is there "PK Harassment"?

It seems absurd for banning people simply due to PKing. But if you were targeting a single person over and over without rest and not letting them enjoy the game, I would see how it would be harassment.

It ain't harassment. If you want to be a carebear crybaby, don't play the pvp server.

If it were "harassment", they'd have to ban Cancer and then people would be outraged since hes an anti-RQ then the pvp server dies.

Harassment is things you can't stop or avoid, like people blocking your shops in town and making it blatantly obvious to boot. You can avoid getting PKed all the time by using your magical little radar, a mount, and your brain.......

The Kin has played a few PK games, including RF Online, one of the best PK games created, in The Kin's opinion. Just poorly managed, but thats not important.

As with any PK game, there is a limit to what you can do. Games are all about fun, and PK is just an element of challenge. However, we also must take in account the fact that there IS a person on the other side of the character you're PK'ing.

Imagine this scenerio.

You're roaming around, tryng to work on a quest, killing dustwraithers when someone comes along and Wham! You're mince meat. Okay, no big deal, you town res, then go about your business only to be killed a couple of minutes later. Wham! Same guykills you again. Mince meat. Now let's say this goes on for 3 hours and you move, the guy then followsyou to your new location and pesters you there for another hour. That, is what the Kin would call harassment. PK'ing is fun and addictive, but intentionally targeting the same person gets lame, fast. Put yourself in that person's shoes and imagine how you would like 3-4 people constantly ganking you everytime.

PK'ing is fine, however killing the same person consecutively for say 2 hours is beyond lame. There's no "Carebearing" to it, like people claim. No one likes having their time interrupted, and not all of us have 8-10 hours a day to play like some do. If you want to kill someone, kill them a few times, then let them be on their way unless they attack you back for vengeance. After that, they're fair game, but we have to have some sort of limitations.

-Kinohki

kitties wrote: »

GMs will step in and threaten to ban for PK'ing.
I agree. It's stupid.

This is 100% untrue.

If you're playing on the PvP server, you made a conscious decision to play on a server with Open PvP.

If you get PKed on the PvE server, you made a conscious decision to turn your PvP flag on or off.

In either case, a GM will not step in and threaten anyone with a ban.

HOWEVER, if someone verbally harasses anyone, or repeatedly publicly discriminates someone, then a GM will indeed step in.

xarfox wrote: »

This is 100% untrue.

If you're playing on the PvP server, you made a conscious decision to play on a server with Open PvP.

If you get PKed on the PvE server, you made a conscious decision to turn your PvP flag on or off.

In either case, a GM will not step in and threaten anyone with a ban.

HOWEVER, if someone verbally harasses anyone, or repeatedly publicly discriminates someone, then a GM will indeed step in.

So you're condoning what Kin on the previous page described? There's PK and then there's PK that wastes people's playing time. If somebody's time is wasted, they will probably quit. You lose a potential customer. How can you condone ruining a person's playing experience like that?

It's like laws. People are free to do what they want, but they are not free to exercise their freedom such that it impedes the freedom of others to enjoy their freedoms.

How can you condone the situation Kin described? It impedes on a person's choice to play on the PK server, and have fun. The PKer having fun should not be at the expense of their victims, especially repeatedly. If somebody is not having fun, they will not play, or think about paying for the game.

Which ain't right, and if they do condone that, then they're gonna make a heck of a lot of people unhappy and quit, thereby losing potential income.

Killed one time, sure. Killed repeatedly in an area, sure. Followed? That impedes on people enjoying the game.

Heh, was waiting for somebody like this.

No, you find another game, which is the chicken's way out. Seriously, people playing PVP just won't do it.

The fact that people play on the non teaparty server means they like the risk, given. But there comes a point at which it's either quit or go play another game like you said, and some people prefer to not quit. You of all people should understand this concept: Giving up is giving in to being bullied, and that's not how a PVP server works is it? If everybody gave in, there would be no risk or fun to be had amirite?

We're going off topic with this. The reason to my original reply was that the stand GMs are taking is not a good one, in my opinion. That's the point of the reply, not be told by you what I already know, but to express an opinion of being dissatisfied with the stand the GMs are taking.

If I see any of you cry-babies in game. I will continuously pk you over and over, and I don't care if I'm 30 lvls higher.

Its an open PK server, getting pked to much? GO TO A NEW AREA.

Simple solution.

And don't tell me I don't know how it is, I'm RQ, most of the server hates us, most of the server TRIES to do this to us. They fail though, because we are superior.

So yeah, don't like getting pked? Reroll pve server.

I have NEVER...EVER, played an open pvp server that stepped in if somebody got pk'ed to much. And I hope I never do, as I would QUIT in a heartbeat.

bron wrote: »

Heh, was waiting for somebody like this.

No, you find another game, which is the chicken's way out. Seriously, people playing PVP just won't do it.

The fact that people play on the non teaparty server means they like the risk, given. But there comes a point at which it's either quit or go play another game like you said, and some people prefer to not quit. You of all people should understand this concept: Giving up is giving in to being bullied, and that's not how a PVP server works is it? If everybody gave in, there would be no risk or fun to be had amirite?

We're going off topic with this. The reason to my original reply was that the stand GMs are taking is not a good one, in my opinion. That's the point of the reply, not be told by you what I already know, but to express an opinion of being dissatisfied with the stand the GMs are taking.

The risk is always there, and PK can happen anytime. If you prefer not to quit, you can either:

1- Grind harder so you can stand your own ground.

2- Join a competent guild that will have your back.

3- Reroll on the PvE server.

I agree with your concept, so in your situation you can choose one of the above following.

And actually giving in has nothing to do with how the PvP server works. Open PK is the defining factor of the PvP server and if the GMs went against the defining factor of the PvP server, there would be no reason to have one. If everyone gave in and left the PvP server, it would just increase the competition. It's the same thing as a college football game verses a professional football game.

And the reason the OP made this thread was to get confirmation on the GMs' actions.

If you're dissatisfied with the response you can always leave, but since you already stated that you don't want to, you'll have to just stick with it. You could also post a thread in the suggestions forum but I doubt that will go anywhere.

-No flame was intended in any part of this post, I appreciate people who can debate a subject intelligently.

I can see this has turned out like a typical pvp thread, "carebear" phrase is a term made up by kids who think they are untouchable with thier high lvl chars, so sad. As for the GMs reply, i think its wrong, this game never started on a good foot in the first place, dont think it will end any better either. This is just like a private server, with a forum that had a blank box they had to figure out what to put in there, so they used a made up ToS just to throw in, then manipulate where they see fit