"It's just a game."
kwaters
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How many times an hour do you see this:
You're on a quest to kill 30 critters. You sight one, you approach it, you start charging your attack, then somebody cruises in from behind you and hits it with a ranged tap. Your charged attack goes off, doing more damage, so the critter comes toward you. The person that tapped it doesn't lift a finger as you take the full brunt of the attack. When it dies, you get no quest update, half the XP, and you can't even pick up the loot.
Yes, you've just been kill-stolen. Again.
When this happens, I tend to make a point of telling the person that this is unacceptable behavior. And more than ninety percent of the time, what do I get instead of an apology?
"lulz its just a game"
It's just a game.
Sure, the game we're playing is "just a game", but I am not a game. I am a person, who has just been frustrated by your actions and usually insulted by your poorly spelled words up to the point where you issue that brush-off.
This is what you're actually saying when you say that:
"It's just a game, so I don't have to be polite. It's just a game, so what few manners I have don't apply. It's just a game, so I don't have to treat you with the respect and common courtesy due to another human being. It's just a game, so anything I do to upset you is justified if I get something out of it in the process."
This kind of mentality is expected on the PVP server. But this is the PVE server I'm playing on. It's supposed to be the haven of gamers who would prefer not to be ganked and KSed and PKed while they're in the middle of trying to enjoy what should be "just a game" but isn't because the other players are "just a bunch of pondscum."
And I can already see the atrocious spelling and nonexistent grammar in the anti-"carebear" flame posts that are likely to follow, but honestly ... learn some manners, or the only people you'll have to play with are other people who are just as rude as you are.
-- Krysee --
You're on a quest to kill 30 critters. You sight one, you approach it, you start charging your attack, then somebody cruises in from behind you and hits it with a ranged tap. Your charged attack goes off, doing more damage, so the critter comes toward you. The person that tapped it doesn't lift a finger as you take the full brunt of the attack. When it dies, you get no quest update, half the XP, and you can't even pick up the loot.
Yes, you've just been kill-stolen. Again.
When this happens, I tend to make a point of telling the person that this is unacceptable behavior. And more than ninety percent of the time, what do I get instead of an apology?
"lulz its just a game"
It's just a game.
Sure, the game we're playing is "just a game", but I am not a game. I am a person, who has just been frustrated by your actions and usually insulted by your poorly spelled words up to the point where you issue that brush-off.
This is what you're actually saying when you say that:
"It's just a game, so I don't have to be polite. It's just a game, so what few manners I have don't apply. It's just a game, so I don't have to treat you with the respect and common courtesy due to another human being. It's just a game, so anything I do to upset you is justified if I get something out of it in the process."
This kind of mentality is expected on the PVP server. But this is the PVE server I'm playing on. It's supposed to be the haven of gamers who would prefer not to be ganked and KSed and PKed while they're in the middle of trying to enjoy what should be "just a game" but isn't because the other players are "just a bunch of pondscum."
And I can already see the atrocious spelling and nonexistent grammar in the anti-"carebear" flame posts that are likely to follow, but honestly ... learn some manners, or the only people you'll have to play with are other people who are just as rude as you are.
-- Krysee --
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It is just a game, if you can't understand that, maybe you should get a real job in real life, and stop playing games, I bet your one of those people who cry in real life about a molder drop you didn't get.0
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I thought people knew PvE server was gonna be a KS fest.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Epic - Lost City wrote: »It is just a game, if you can't understand that, maybe you should get a real job in real life, and stop playing games, I bet your one of those people who cry in real life about a molder drop you didn't get.
I do have a real job, and you just got an F for grammar. This is exactly the kind of rudeness I'm referring to.0 -
How many times an hour do you see this:
You're on a quest to kill 30 critters. You sight one, you approach it, you start charging your attack, then somebody cruises in from behind you and hits it with a ranged tap. Your charged attack goes off, doing more damage, so the critter comes toward you. The person that tapped it doesn't lift a finger as you take the full brunt of the attack. When it dies, you get no quest update, half the XP, and you can't even pick up the loot.
Yes, you've just been kill-stolen. Again.
When this happens, I tend to make a point of telling the person that this is unacceptable behavior. And more than ninety percent of the time, what do I get instead of an apology?
"lulz its just a game"
It's just a game.
Sure, the game we're playing is "just a game", but I am not a game. I am a person, who has just been frustrated by your actions and usually insulted by your poorly spelled words up to the point where you issue that brush-off.
This is what you're actually saying when you say that:
"It's just a game, so I don't have to be polite. It's just a game, so what few manners I have don't apply. It's just a game, so I don't have to treat you with the respect and common courtesy due to another human being. It's just a game, so anything I do to upset you is justified if I get something out of it in the process."
This kind of mentality is expected on the PVP server. But this is the PVE server I'm playing on. It's supposed to be the haven of gamers who would prefer not to be ganked and KSed and PKed while they're in the middle of trying to enjoy what should be "just a game" but isn't because the other players are "just a bunch of pondscum."
And I can already see the atrocious spelling and nonexistent grammar in the anti-"carebear" flame posts that are likely to follow, but honestly ... learn some manners, or the only people you'll have to play with are other people who are just as rude as you are.
-- Krysee --
BRAVO!!!!! well put my sentiments exactly0 -
''This kind of mentality is expected on the PVP server. But this is the PVE server I'm playing on.''
I was just passing through PWI forums trying to find out what the community's like around here, as I used to play PW:MY, but this had to be commented on. You sound like the type of person that really should be playing a game like runescape or hello kitty island adventure. This IS just a game, and in THIS game there is PK'ing, there IS KS'ing and there IS a majority of players that somehow managed to either pass through life without picking up even the most basic of english and grammar skills or just havn't been through much of life yet at all - that's an MMO for you.
Bottom line is.. Get over it, like you said yourself; You're a god damn carebear. If you don't like the game, don't play it!
I'll never get to see your reply as i'm never coming back to the forums even if I decide to play, but I hope either you stop playing OR I meet you in game and grief you until you quit and write yet another pointless whine thread about how annoying everyone is who's just playing A GAME.0 -
Uh relax... this game has a good anti KS system, just dmg over 50% of mob hp and you get the kill. Also most of the time KS are happen by accident...for example sometimes i hit a monster with another guy at exactly the same time. I'm not going to stop and I don't expect him to stop to...its a tie.0
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Yeah well said. I only recently started playing this game, but I play Runescape too and kill stealing is very frustrating in that. Saying 'it's just a game' only really applies to board games, in my opinion, for a game where you are making their enjoyment worse by taking their kill is very conceited to say the least
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Ok, so. You've got someone that hit a mob before you did. Yeah, sure you were 'charging' whatever you were, but fact is, monster was still there at full hp. I don't expect people to rotate their camera 360 degrees every time they go for a mob, just to make sure nobody is 'charging' to hit it.
And you mentioned how that person let you deal with the brunt of the damage. Could it be, perhaps, because that person realised just then that you were also attacking it and backed off? Could it also be that you are so ignorant of game mechanics that you don't realise a person who has aggro on the mob (ie has done more damage than anybody else), is the one to pick up the drops? And also gets the quest flag?
tl;dr your story is ********. You probably jumped at conclusions and started nagging someone who was polite enough to let you kill a mob he attacked first. If I were in that person's shoes, not only I wouldn't have indulged you with a response, but I would've made sure you can enjoy your srsbiz manners in the nearest town (if you weren't playing on the carebear server).
And grats, you managed to **** me off by insisting this is the behavior to be 'expected' of people on the PvP server. That you never even played on. And it's a good thing you didn't. Grammar nazism and drama over a single mob is to be expected of the kinds of people that play on a PvE server whereby they spend their ingame time mindlessly mowing down mobs.
Also, lulz it's just a game.0 -
If they only hit it once, you don't get half the exp. Exp gets divided by how much damage gets done. You said they shot it once, then "didn't lift a finger to help you"? They couldn't have gotten half the exp from it if they didn't continue to fire afterwards. As long as they didn't deal over 50% of the damage as well, you would get the quest update, and you'd be able to get the loot. If none of these happen, that means they did more than 50% damage and the monster should not have continued targetting you.
My guess is? You speak rudely in this post, and that reflects in the way you criticize kill stealers. If you say "please don't ks me" chances are they'll tell you they didn't mean to do it, as they can't watch everyone in the area to see who's charging up an attack on what monster. From reading this though, I can tell you were probably rude as all hell to those you consider "pond scum." Attitude's a big part of trying to get someone to do something for you.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Epic - Lost City wrote: »It is just a game, if you can't understand that, maybe you should get a real job in real life, and stop playing games, I bet your one of those people who cry in real life about a molder drop you didn't get.
Epic.. FAIL.0 -
It's pointless talking to people in those situations. You'll just make the other person defensive and tell you go stuff yourself, even if they are a nice person usually. Or you will end up in an argument with a person who enjoys arguing. You just move on and if they start systematically following you around only attacking what you are attacking, then give a GM a shout privately so they can come out and see the person in action.0
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Epic - Lost City wrote: »Hmm, let's try this again...
IT'S A GAME, NOT A ****ING COLLEGE ESSAY
And I'd say that even if it's game/forum you should write correctly, cause otherwise it's rude to others.
Anyway, I thought it was like: whoever hits first gets the exp and drops.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
How many times an hour do you see this:
You're on a quest to kill 30 critters. You sight one, you approach it, you start charging your attack, then somebody cruises in from behind you and hits it with a ranged tap. Your charged attack goes off, doing more damage, so the critter comes toward you. The person that tapped it doesn't lift a finger as you take the full brunt of the attack. When it dies, you get no quest update, half the XP, and you can't even pick up the loot.
Yes, you've just been kill-stolen. Again.
When this happens, I tend to make a point of telling the person that this is unacceptable behavior. And more than ninety percent of the time, what do I get instead of an apology?
"lulz its just a game"
It's just a game.
Sure, the game we're playing is "just a game", but I am not a game. I am a person, who has just been frustrated by your actions and usually insulted by your poorly spelled words up to the point where you issue that brush-off.
This is what you're actually saying when you say that:
"It's just a game, so I don't have to be polite. It's just a game, so what few manners I have don't apply. It's just a game, so I don't have to treat you with the respect and common courtesy due to another human being. It's just a game, so anything I do to upset you is justified if I get something out of it in the process."
This kind of mentality is expected on the PVP server. But this is the PVE server I'm playing on. It's supposed to be the haven of gamers who would prefer not to be ganked and KSed and PKed while they're in the middle of trying to enjoy what should be "just a game" but isn't because the other players are "just a bunch of pondscum."
And I can already see the atrocious spelling and nonexistent grammar in the anti-"carebear" flame posts that are likely to follow, but honestly ... learn some manners, or the only people you'll have to play with are other people who are just as rude as you are.
-- Krysee --
I completly agree with you on this. This happens all the time to people being unrespect ful to other players space. just rushing in and fighting. If see someone in the distance running towards the same critter as me I and i know they will get there first i jus back off. it pointless to pursu when you get no benifits from it.0 -
I think the point kwaters is trying to make is that its frustrating to get ksed while doing a quest and you don't get any acknowledgment for the creature you killed or helped to kill. KSing is almost in every game.
All I can say is move on to another creature and complete the quest, because some people don't even know you're doing a quest due to the fact that most people are just grinding and playing the game just to be playing.
I agree it is wrong, but everyone can't be respectful and have manners.
PS: People will always think there the best, or can act anyway over the internet due to the fact they think they are safe.0 -
Mimelle - Lost City wrote: »And I'd say that even if it's game/forum you should write correctly, cause otherwise it's rude to others.
Anyway, I thought it was like: whoever hits first gets the exp and drops.
That's a messy thing to test in my opinion. I've gotten the first hit on mobs and gotten it counted for quests, and at other times did the most damage and got the quest credit. My guess is that the game's got its bugs still after all these years.
As for the OP, you strike me as fitting the stereotype that the PvP people seem to have for the PvE server (whiny, high-strung carebear), and you seem to play the game with hair trigger emotions. This is a game, and as such people are in it to relax and have fun. If you spoil other people's fun, you shouldn't expect them to treat you nicely at all.0 -
I think people also like to KS to show how "uber" they are.
Many times while questing I'd be working on a mob, and someone will come up to the mob I've been working on with their huge pet and kill it in one hit. I get the drops but I don't get the kill
Frustrating, yeah... since they know it's mine (my kill speed isn't very fast
).
But all you can do is move on to the next mob, or go to the other side of the area. Just keep in mind that they have some kind of need that they need to fill
If you let it bother you, you ruin your gaming experience. 0 -
"It's just a game, so I don't have to be polite. It's just a game, so what few manners I have don't apply. It's just a game, so I don't have to treat you with the respect and common courtesy due to another human being. It's just a game, so anything I do to upset you is justified if I get something out of it in the process."
This kind of mentality is expected on the PVP server. But this is the PVE server I'm playing on. It's supposed to be the haven of gamers who would prefer not to be ganked and KSed and PKed while they're in the middle of trying to enjoy what should be "just a game" but isn't because the other players are "just a bunch of pondscum."
-- Krysee --
You pretty much summarized the problem. You're playing on a PvE Server. This isn't meant to be rude but rather a harsh truth about games that facilitates "carebear" actions. If you can't retaliate with swift acts of force (e.g. Mob pulling to 'grief' or flat out pk'ing someone being an idiot), it enforces the "LOL I CANT BE HURT SO **** YOU" mentality of gaming. I'm sorry that's a fact of all MMO's (this one is no exception). Your only real choices are to either squad with other players (mainly ones that have low/non channel attacks) to get the first hit in and allowing you to have the 'tag' and nuke away, or simply return the favor and wait for them to near pull something and take the tag for yourself while having no remorse or qualms of morality involved. As they said to you already, "it's just a game", so treat them in kind.
Obviously you won't be winning any humanitarian awards or acknowledgments in your lifestyle as a philanthropist, but you won't be getting anything other than grief and remorse if you allow everyone to treat you like a doormat as well.
Find a balance between the two. Get friends. Disregard everyone else in the game that doesn't know you. You'll find your life to be much better off that way.0 -
I think we can see the clear division.
There's the uneducated cowards (aka bullies) on one side who want to defend their right to gank/PK/KS and be rude and disrespectful while doing it, who are all clearly demonstrating that forums are "just a game" so they don't have to be polite or communicate clearly.
And there's the rest of us who might enjoy an encounter locking system like EQ2 has. Wouldn't that suck, mister too-afraid-to-take-it-on-yourself, if you wasted your time and mana on something that isn't even responding to you? Because that's what you're doing to us when you KS from us to begin with.
Or would you just cry more because that means you have to wait until combat is over to PK the guy that doesn't see it coming? You're so loud and noisome about how awesome you are, but in the end, can't you understand that you're just being rude, obnoxious, cowardly and antisocial.
You call me a carebear, but in straight PVP, I would probably kick the holy hell out of you (and I might already have in other games - I rarely lose) because I don't let my ego get in my way. You'll know me on the battlefield because I'm efficient, silent, doing my job instead of "lawlz" like a moron and wasting time being rude and teabagging my opponents. It's called professionalism. And maybe, if you'd get a job yourself like you're so quick to yell at others to do, you might learn it.
But then, you can't even pass Communications 101, can you?0 -
Who are you talking to?
Your point - person gets the first hit, you take full damage, you don't get the drops / quest kill.
My point - unless the opponent deals at least 51% damage to the monster, YOU get the kill, YOU get the drops. If the person is dealing more damage than you, the monster will aggro HIM, not YOU. What this means is that you are no longer getting hit with the "full brunt" of the attack.
There are two scenarios here. Either they deal the most damage, they get the aggro, they get the drops, they get the quest kill, or you get the aggro, you get the drops, you get the quest kill. There is no "they hit it once, you get the aggro, they get the drops, they get the quest kill." I suggest you learn how this game works.
P.S. PvE server will have more KS'ers than a PvP server. The price you pay for not having to worry about getting ganked is the hordes of kids who know they can act like asses without retribution.
P.P.S. Is this a troll? I honestly can't tell :<[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
It really is just a game, dont let such small things like this get in the way of you having fun playing it. Unless it effects you physically don't give it anything more than a grain of salt.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
★ :Sikozu :: Venomancer: ★ :Nebira :: Cleric: ★0 -
P.P.S. Is this a troll? I honestly can't tell :<
If a troll is somebody who says what you don't want to hear, sure, then I'm a troll and a care bear. Whatever. Call me names, doesn't change a thing.
As far as your game mechanics lecture goes, I'm purposefully ignoring it because it seems not to have any validity in my experience. If somebody else gets first hit, I don't get a quest update, period, even if it is, just like I said, just a tap and then he stands and watches. And if I get first hit and the entire area unloads on it doing clearly more damage than I do, I DO get my quest update.
I think your numbers were pulled out of somewhere not too pleasant.0 -
If a troll is somebody who says what you don't want to hear, sure, then I'm a troll and a care bear. Whatever. Call me names, doesn't change a thing.
As far as your game mechanics lecture goes, I'm purposefully ignoring it because it seems not to have any validity in my experience. If somebody else gets first hit, I don't get a quest update, period, even if it is, just like I said, just a tap and then he stands and watches. And if I get first hit and the entire area unloads on it doing clearly more damage than I do, I DO get my quest update.
I think your numbers were pulled out of somewhere not too pleasant.
Kay. I declare this dude either a **** that won't listen to how the game works, or a troll that's working surprisingly well. Either way, I'm out of this thread now.
By the way, stating things with confidence doesn't make them true.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
It really is just a game, dont let such small things like this get in the way of you having fun playing it. Unless it effects you physically don't give it anything more than a grain of salt.
You want these rude punks to roll on you every time you turn the other cheek and giggle, "Oh, it's just a game so the fact that they just wasted my time and made me do the quest five times over doesn't matter!" There's your carebear guys. Unload on the pink pacifist.
Okay, look. Those of us with jobs don't have all day to play. And when we come on for the 4 or so hours we can afford, we don't want to spend it being disrespected (we get paid the other 8 hours we take it). It's a matter of what am I willing to pay for and support?
And right now, all I can say is, "I'm sure glad I'm not paying for this."0 -
Actually what krysee said here I agree with 100% and the majority of you that are coming in here with your
"shut up -it's just a game" disgustingly rude attitude is actually quite disturbing.
Games are played for means of enjoyment by all who play them. Considering this is an mmo, an international mmo, this means we have a large variety of people from different cultures playing. But i'm sure each and everyone of you was taught some freaking manners since when you were a litlle bugger regardless of where you come from.
Just because you're represented by pixels dosen't mean you instantly shed youself of all the rules of respect
your mummy and daddy taught you. If you honestly do have such a problem with it, you're the baby,
you're the one ( and I only ever use this phrase when it really is nessecary) who should get a life.
If you want to whinge and cry about it, we the people who can still respect others don't need you and are better off without you. The moment you downloaded this game and posted on the forums the rest of us including the GMs and the moderaters expect you to abide by common courtesy for all players, if you
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Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »If you want to whinge and cry about it, we the people who can still respect others don't need you and are better off without you. The moment you downloaded this game and posted on the forums the rest of us including the GMs and the moderaters expect you to abide by common courtesy for all players, if you're
really can't do it, simply get lost.
This is the general sentiment I'm trying to convey here. But the sad fact is, they're actively working to drive away anybody who has expectations that they can't be rude antisocial twerps. Oh, how dare I expect them behave! I'm such a bad person!0 -
This is the general sentiment I'm trying to convey here. But the sad fact is, they're actively working to drive away anybody who has expectations that they can't be rude antisocial twerps. Oh, how dare I expect them behave! I'm such a bad person!
Not sure you should expect everyone to be able to behave, or know how to respect others.
We do not know their family background, as well as if they've even been taught how to respect. There are a lot of parents out there that haven't learned how to respect others, so how can anyone expect their kids to know?
Some might be bullied in real life, and find this an outlet to feel better about themselves. Right or wrong.
There are some terrific adults and kids that play this game from all walks of life, as well as some annoying adults and kids. Each with their own set of standards and values.
Lead/teach by example. 0 -
I think we can see the clear division.
There's the uneducated cowards (aka bullies) on one side who want to defend their right to gank/PK/KS and be rude and disrespectful while doing it, who are all clearly demonstrating that forums are "just a game" so they don't have to be polite or communicate clearly.
And there's the rest of us who might enjoy an encounter locking system like EQ2 has. Wouldn't that suck, mister too-afraid-to-take-it-on-yourself, if you wasted your time and mana on something that isn't even responding to you? Because that's what you're doing to us when you KS from us to begin with.
Or would you just cry more because that means you have to wait until combat is over to PK the guy that doesn't see it coming? You're so loud and noisome about how awesome you are, but in the end, can't you understand that you're just being rude, obnoxious, cowardly and antisocial.
You call me a carebear, but in straight PVP, I would probably kick the holy hell out of you (and I might already have in other games - I rarely lose) because I don't let my ego get in my way. You'll know me on the battlefield because I'm efficient, silent, doing my job instead of "lawlz" like a moron and wasting time being rude and teabagging my opponents. It's called professionalism. And maybe, if you'd get a job yourself like you're so quick to yell at others to do, you might learn it.
But then, you can't even pass Communications 101, can you?
ITT: OP gets respectable advice and continues to berate and belittle everyone with Firefox wordfilters to feel better while stroking his/her own e-peen while having a BAWWW about how life isn't fair.
End of discussion. If you're so "PRO GOSU R33TSTIELZ GAIS", then why are you playing PvE? Clearly you need to go back to EQ because it's so amazingly brilliant and perfect for your playstyle (e.g. doing nothing but causing drama).0 -
ITT: OP gets respectable advice and continues to berate and belittle everyone with Firefox wordfilters to feel better while stroking his/her own e-peen while having a BAWWW about how life isn't fair.
End of discussion. If you're so "PRO GOSU R33TSTIELZ GAIS", then why are you playing PvE? Clearly you need to go back to EQ because it's so amazingly brilliant and perfect for your playstyle (e.g. doing nothing but causing drama).
In fact, life isn't fair, and I'm fine with that. That's not the issue. I said you're an uneducated brute that needs to grow up and learn some freaking manners. Try addressing the issue next time. Or maybe the fact that you're not denying it is enough?
F for grammar, spelling, and ....... learn a language in your free time. It'll help when you want to talk to people who don't have time to decipher your garble. If you can't muster the energy to communicate clearly, I can't muster the energy to try to understand you.0
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