Stop Calling GMs "Corrupt"
dagny
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I had to separate this from the discussion about the price of Zen, even if it relates. While I agree with the issue on Zen being too expensive, I think that those of you who keep calling the GMs corrupt are way off base.
If you have a house for shirt for sale that's worth $10 and you want to charge $30 for it, that's your right. If nobody buys the shirt then you only have yourself to blame.
If this company chooses to ovgerprice their product such that nobody buys Zen then that is their right as well. The use of the word "corrupt" is inflammatory and incorrect. It's NOT corrupt if they are not stealing your money. It's not corrupt if they are not forcing you to buy. It's not corrupt if you have the choice to leave and go elsewehere.
Their pricing may be "ill advised" or "foolish" but those of you who keep using the "corrupt" word.. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Dagny
PS If you aren't one of the ones calling the GMs corrupt, you don;t have to defend yourselves as I'm obviously not referring to you :-)
If you have a house for shirt for sale that's worth $10 and you want to charge $30 for it, that's your right. If nobody buys the shirt then you only have yourself to blame.
If this company chooses to ovgerprice their product such that nobody buys Zen then that is their right as well. The use of the word "corrupt" is inflammatory and incorrect. It's NOT corrupt if they are not stealing your money. It's not corrupt if they are not forcing you to buy. It's not corrupt if you have the choice to leave and go elsewehere.
Their pricing may be "ill advised" or "foolish" but those of you who keep using the "corrupt" word.. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Dagny
PS If you aren't one of the ones calling the GMs corrupt, you don;t have to defend yourselves as I'm obviously not referring to you :-)
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I don't think Perfect World Entertainment is corrupt. I think the company is incompetent. I think the people at the very top of the company are Chinese guys who know nothing about the USA nor how to run an International version of PW. From what I've seen so far, the GMs seem to be fine. It's the people above them that are the problem.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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it seems people dont know what "corrupt" actualy means those days... and yes ive seen this word been throw randomly here and there without people knowing that it is rather strong accusition.
i can write books about present situation of PW and both devs/gms but i dont see any need for using "corrupt" word. want to see what corrupt looks like? go to PW-MY for a week or two.There exist only three beings worthy of respect:
the priest, the soldier, the poet.
To know, to kill, to create.
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want to see what corrupt looks like? go to PW-MY for a week or two.
QFT!
GM's playing favorites to their big money making guilds, interfering with TW when their favorites can't handle the game in a "fair fight", screen shots of GM's threatening players if they PK the GM's friends.
That's the world of PW-MY. No amount of money saved by playing there will draw me back if the only way to succeed is to join the Gold Grinder Guilds and get preferential treatment, or play, at best, 2nd place in everything, including events, TW, pk, and just trying to compete in that economy as the big favorite guilds drive up the Cubi prices and force players to buy either gold from Offgamers (a partner of Cubi) to afford buying cubis in-game from other players, or to spend real money buying cubis directly. Either way, it's generating more real life income for Cubi, and they do nothing to stop it (naturally) and in many cases, promote it.
I personally sent in over 50 screen shots of players that had altered .ini files from Immortal guild on Delphi just to see what would happen, because when I sent some in of Legacy (actually Helios back then), they got informed to change the stuff back or get banned. Not a single one of the Immortal players I sent in changed a damned thing and are still running around.
Screenshots of players openly admiting they share accounts and that the current player isn't the same owner, pics of people advertising in game they want to sell accounts, all of which were reportedly bannable....nothing done against the players if they were members of the "favorite" guilds, but I know 17 players that weren't "anybody", so to speak, just regular players that leveled fast, got burned out and sold accounts and got banned.
So sure, if you want to see the true definition of corrupt GM's go play there. Enjoy the lower cubi prices as well, because if you want to hang on an even playing field with the "favorites" you will end up spending a LOT more, while they essentially get to control the in game sales of cubis because they own all the Territories and it really costs them NOTHING in real life money to restock their supplies as they get to draw on their vastly deep in game gold banks to buy all the cubis in the Auction House.
Enjoy that if you can. I would rather tone down my leveling at a more human pace, rather than burn through heiros like tissue paper doing AoE leveling parties constantly in order to keep up with the "favorites" and play here, buying perhaps less, or waiting until I was a higher level to run certain quests instead.
I would rather deal with spending a bit more (I still think this version would make large enough profits if the heiros were lower since they would get used much more) and playing on a fair playing field than play over there where I know I will always be treated as a 2nd class citizen with no hope of competing.[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2362000&dateline=1220114278[/SIGPIC]0 -
ragingwind wrote: »I don't think Perfect World Entertainment is corrupt. I think the company is incompetent. I think the people at the very top of the company are Chinese guys who know nothing about the USA nor how to run an International version of PW. From what I've seen so far, the GMs seem to be fine. It's the people above them that are the problem.
there you said everything
The GMs are great they are doing a good job, but it's not they who decide which price it will be, it's their superiors. So in your work you come to your superior and say that the prices are too expensive? No, you just give the suggestion and say that clients are complaining, I think that the superiors aren't giving a damn about what happens around here, but this kind of attitude drives the game to hell
I sent a e-mail to them telling that I was from Brazil asking them if brazilians ip were going to be banned, I got the answer from xarfox at the very same they I sent the e-mail, then 3 days later they sena me an e-mail asking me from which country I am connecting
Conclusion: They don't read the e-mails, it was supposed to be an automatic answering bot, but I sent an e-mail asking why the hell was I banned and it's taking 2 days now for them to answer it, doesn't seem too much automatic to me
In my opinion is that the big cheese of PW I don't give a damn about the players and just want money...
And again I'll tell here that I think the GMs are doing a great job is their superiors that are messing up, and will drive the game to failure if things don't change...0 -
Or you could just be like me and never ever buy Zen. "George Bush Sr. Voice.. "Not gonna do it, wouldnt be prudent"0
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I sent a e-mail to them telling that I was from Brazil asking them if brazilians ip were going to be banned, I got the answer from xarfox at the very same they I sent the e-mail, then 3 days later they sena me an e-mail asking me from which country I am connecting
Conclusion: They don't read the e-mails, it was supposed to be an automatic answering bot, but I sent an e-mail asking why the hell was I banned and it's taking 2 days now for them to answer it, doesn't seem too much automatic to me
If you're from Brazil, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're currently in Brazil and trying to play. I mean, the chances are very good that you are, but I've seen it before where people think they're going to be blocked just because of their nationality, regardless of where they're actually connecting from.
For example, not all Japanese people will be blocked... all people connecting from Japan will be blocked. You can be American and living in Japan, and still not be able to access PWI.
They were probably just clarifying your situation so that they didn't give you an inaccurate answer.
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want to see what corrupt looks like? go to PW-MY for a week or two.
For 4 wonderful months in PW MY I never had problems, and I don't think GMs are corrupted. It is one of those myths spread by ******* for reasons which are completely unknown for me. I always received help from GM when I needed. Please don't be like one of those people who lost the TW and made million threads on PW MY forums about how guilds use hacks and get help from GMs. It really doesn't speak good for you.0 -
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If you're from Brazil, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're currently in Brazil and trying to play. I mean, the chances are very good that you are, but I've seen it before where people think they're going to be blocked just because of their nationality, regardless of where they're actually connecting from.
For example, not all Japanese people will be blocked... all people connecting from Japan will be blocked. You can be American and living in Japan, and still not be able to access PWI.
They were probably just clarifying your situation so that they didn't give you an inaccurate answer.
If i'm not in brazil why would I be asking if brazilians ip's were going to be blocked?
I don't want to take any conclusions but that sounds like an excuse for me0 -
If i'm not in brazil why would I be asking if brazilians ip's were going to be blocked?
I don't want to take any conclusions but that sounds like an excuse for me
uhh...Bro when you say Brazilian people might think of nationality. As Ryuuzaki said you might be Brazilian but in some living in some other country. Sometime you have to let go of the common sense when you're talking
I know it can be frustrating to see reply after 3 days and what they ask is where are you connecting from, but that's just part of their investigation that's all.:)Harsh0 -
I think the GM was just trying to think of a reason to defend PWE. I respect the fact that he/she was just doing a job, but the logic was not very good.uhh...Bro when you say Brazilian people might think of nationality. As Ryuuzaki said you might be Brazilian but in some living in some other country. Sometime you have to let go of the common sense when you're talking
I know it can be frustrating to see reply after 3 days and what they ask is where are you connecting from, but that's just part of their investigation that's all.:)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ragingwind wrote: »I think the GM was just trying to think of a reason to defend PWE. I respect the fact that he/she was just doing a job, but the logic was not very good.
I know!! That's why I said you have to let go of common sense when you're talking .. well sometimes and what you say might be ture (but that's just might and not 100%) Harsh0 -
ragingwind wrote: »I think the GM was just trying to think of a reason to defend PWE. I respect the fact that he/she was just doing a job, but the logic was not very good.
Not defending, just offering an alternative possibility. Like I said, I have seen it happen before, several times in fact.
It is also completely possible that the email was not read/understood properly. Hopefully juliov will get a reply soon, though it wasn't in the list of countries listed for an IP ban...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I know!! That's why I said you have to let go of common sense when you're talking .. well sometimes and what you say might be ture (but that's just might and not 100%)
But dude your logic isn't quite right...
If I lived in the US (for example) but was brazilian, why would I be asking If brazilians ips were going to be blocked?
They aren't dumb they can easily take the conclusion that I'm connecting from brazil, but even if I didn't tell them, they took 2 days to send me this answer:
''Hello Julio,
What country are you trying to connect from?''
Instead of sending me this message and forcing me to send another message and wait for two more days, they could've said this
Hello Julio,
ips that are conecting from brazil will not be banned
or
Hello Julio
These are the countries that have ip ban: blablabla, blobloblo, etc.
So instead of speeding the process they just delay it more, bad for them, bad for me, bad for everyone...
And i'm seriously losing hopes that my question about my ban will be read today, if it doesn't i'll be forced to quit the server, again bad for me and bad for them (not everyone this time, because i don't have anything to do with everyone)...0 -
Not defending, just offering an alternative possibility. Like I said, I have seen it happen before, several times in fact.
It is also completely possible that the email was not read/understood properly. Hopefully juliov will get a reply soon, though it wasn't in the list of countries listed for an IP ban...
I wasn't banned for being at Brazil, xarfox gave me the answer to that question the very same day I sent them the e-mail, I was banned for some mix up with ZEN, but I was not my fault it was their fault, but I have to pay the dues, which i find extremely unfair but i understand.
What I do not understand is why they ban people they don't really know it's doing something against the rules and don't contact people later...
If you ban someone with the intent of talking with them afterwards to make things right you have to be avaliable to this people, and it's not what is happening around here...0 -
That sounds earily familiar... Hmm... Let me think... Oh, yeah! PW-MY! That's exactly the kind of stuff they did. Silly me. How could I forget? >_>What I do not understand is why they ban people they don't really know it's doing something against the rules and don't contact people later...
If you ban someone with the intent of talking with them afterwards to make things right you have to be avaliable to this people, and it's not what is happening around here...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
If you were banned, they obviously thought at the time that you had done something wrong at the time. They don't usually contact people they ban to explain why.
If you were banned accidentally, then I'm sure they're looking into it. Remember - there's only so many staff, and a LOT of emails to deal with each day. They're probably dealing with each email in turn. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Call me crazy, but... I consider that bad customer service. They should at least have the dignity of telling the person the reason why they will never be allowed to see the beauty of PW again during their whole lives. >_> One GM on here stated that banning is considered by PWE to be a last resort only used when nothing else works. How is it, then, that people are getting banned for no apparent reason and then not even being told why? Someone is doing a bad job of upholding that standard. Not telling people why just makes it worse.They don't usually contact people they ban to explain why.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
If you were banned, they obviously thought at the time that you had done something wrong at the time. They don't usually contact people they ban to explain why.
If you were banned accidentally, then I'm sure they're looking into it. Remember - there's only so many staff, and a LOT of emails to deal with each day. They're probably dealing with each email in turn.
They don't have to talk to you and then ban, but they should ban and talk...
But they just ban, and if they banned someone incorrectly? As they did so many times now...
I don't know if you guys have a new system for botting, I don't knwo and to be honest I don't even care, but you can't just ban people without proof (I'm not talking about me, my issue is not with bot ban or that kind of stuff, my issue is with money) but I can see that a lot of people are unfairly being banned by bot using and I kinda understand because i'm banned right now at the almost the same situation...0 -
ragingwind wrote: »Call me crazy, but... I consider that bad customer service. They should at least have the dignity of telling the person the reason why they will never be allowed to see the beauty of PW again during their whole lives. >_> One GM on here stated that banning is considered by PWE to be a last resort only used when nothing else works. How is it, then, that people are getting banned for no apparent reason and then not even being told why? Someone is doing a bad job of upholding that standard. Not telling people why just makes it worse.
Banning is a last resort in most cases. And in those cases, the person being banned should know exactly what they've done wrong. Why take the time to explain to someone that they've been banned for breaking the rules when they could spend that same time responding to an email from a normal, rule-abiding player? I'd rather they spend as little time as possible dealing with hackers, botters, etc.
If the player honestly does not know, they're free to send an email in to customer service, the same as everyone else, and ask why.They don't have to talk to you and then ban, but they should ban and talk...
But they just ban, and if they banned someone incorrectly? As they did so many times now...
I don't know if you guys have a new system for botting, I don't knwo and to be honest I don't even care, but you can't just ban people without proof (I'm not talking about me, my issue is not with bot ban or that kind of stuff, my issue is with money) but I can see that a lot of people are unfairly being banned by bot using and I kinda understand because i'm banned right now at the almost the same situation...
I've only seen a couple of cases where people have been banned accidentally (then again, maybe it wasn't accidental for them at all...)
I can only stress that if it was accidental, they do whatever they can to fix it. But personal bans aren't meant to be discussed through the forums anyway, so you'll just have to wait for them to get to your email.
Oh, and for what it's worth, it does say in the Terms of Service, section 18...PWE MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, BLOCK ACCESS TO OR DELETE THE SERVICE OR ANY ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME WITH OR WITHOUT REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Never mind. My bad.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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I must admit you are right. I am chinese student in US. I know they charge a lot of money in China. They think US is the paradise and yall have a lot of money to waste. However they don't understand there are numerous ways to put your $ in and have fun. In china most people don't afford to buy PSIII, xbox 360; no money to travel around, not enough entertainment. Online MMO RPG are the only choices. Here it's totally different. It's free competition here. US citizen has more money doesnot mean they need to pay more. I could buy an ipod with 100$,why pay for PW zen?? If PW charges toooooo much, no body will play it.
In china, although a lot of peopel will say "f**k PW, they charge too much!!', they still pay and play it (ipod is not affordable for most people, anyway. zen is less than 20cents). There are lots of reasons why chinese players stick to the 'extremely games'. But unfortunately none of them exists here in US.
I believe if it's still 3x, then US players will just leave the game and look for better entertainment. It's very easy here, actually.
Chinese needs to understand US. Otherwise the business will fail for sure.ragingwind wrote: »I don't think Perfect World Entertainment is corrupt. I think the company is incompetent. I think the people at the very top of the company are Chinese guys who know nothing about the USA nor how to run an International version of PW. From what I've seen so far, the GMs seem to be fine. It's the people above them that are the problem.0 -
It's only common sense to ban Brazilians from PWE. Brazilians pretty much ruined every MMORPG I have ever played. Pangya (JP) and Albatross18 after that, Ragnarok Online 1, Tibia, Sword Of The New World.... Should I keep going?
They're terrible gamers, they quit a lot (quitters galore), most of them don't know English at all and those that do refuse to speak it, spamming wherever they can; rude and forceful (not to say 'spiteful') :rolleyes:
This is just talking from my experience.0 -
I know that a lot of people will probably think that your post is very rude and discriminatory, but I knew a Brazillian girl in PW-MY for a while. She said that she did not like playing MMOs with other Brazillians because of a lot of annoying reasons. It says a lot for a Brazillian to not want to play with others from her own country.It's only common sense to ban Brazilians from PWE. Brazilians pretty much ruined every MMORPG I have ever played. Pangya (JP) and Albatross18 after that, Ragnarok Online 1, Tibia, Sword Of The New World.... Should I keep going?
They're terrible gamers, they quit a lot (quitters galore), most of them don't know English at all and those that do refuse to speak it, spamming wherever they can; rude and forceful (not to say 'spiteful') :rolleyes:
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GM's are not the problem, they only get paid to do their Job.
I used to be a GM on AniMatrix PW and I know what kind of headache it is when people blame you for something out of your control. I can only imagine my headache multiplied 100x
The problem is people over the GM's using deceptive marketing and taking advantage of people at this early stage, I can assure you that prices will lower as is it most likely PWI owners intent to milk the gullible for as long as possible then switch when there is enough demand for lower prices.IGN: Drizztina
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I had to separate this from the discussion about the price of Zen, even if it relates. While I agree with the issue on Zen being too expensive, I think that those of you who keep calling the GMs corrupt are way off base.
If you have a house for shirt for sale that's worth $10 and you want to charge $30 for it, that's your right. If nobody buys the shirt then you only have yourself to blame.
If this company chooses to ovgerprice their product such that nobody buys Zen then that is their right as well. The use of the word "corrupt" is inflammatory and incorrect. It's NOT corrupt if they are not stealing your money. It's not corrupt if they are not forcing you to buy. It's not corrupt if you have the choice to leave and go elsewehere.
Their pricing may be "ill advised" or "foolish" but those of you who keep using the "corrupt" word.. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Dagny
PS If you aren't one of the ones calling the GMs corrupt, you don;t have to defend yourselves as I'm obviously not referring to you :-)
GMs have nothing to do with the pricing last I checked. They just fix in game errors, (kind of like mechanics) and make sure people follow the rules (like policemen). I dont really get why the GMs are being blamed?0 -
If i had to say why gms get blamed Id say it's
Half - Managment pushes them into oncoming hordes of complaining members knowing full well they themselves want no part of it
Half GM's live to serve the players needs they like doing it and this often leads morons to believe that they can just walk all over them.IGN: Drizztina
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what you guys really need to do is hire more moderators or admins if there's so many emails but i doubt you guys can do that with no1 buying zen. honestly i think this game would be waaay better if it was p2p around $10-15 a month this free 2 play **** is annoying with the lack of customer service and overpriced items0
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ragingwind wrote: »I know that a lot of people will probably think that your post is very rude and discriminatory, but I knew a Brazillian girl in PW-MY for a while. She said that she did not like playing MMOs with other Brazillians because of a lot of annoying reasons. It says a lot for a Brazillian to not want to play with others from her own country.
I was just speaking from my experience. If that makes me a rude bigot, so be it.0 -
I had to separate this from the discussion about the price of Zen, even if it relates. While I agree with the issue on Zen being too expensive, I think that those of you who keep calling the GMs corrupt are way off base.
If you have a house for shirt for sale that's worth $10 and you want to charge $30 for it, that's your right. If nobody buys the shirt then you only have yourself to blame.
If this company chooses to ovgerprice their product such that nobody buys Zen then that is their right as well. The use of the word "corrupt" is inflammatory and incorrect. It's NOT corrupt if they are not stealing your money. It's not corrupt if they are not forcing you to buy. It's not corrupt if you have the choice to leave and go elsewehere.
Their pricing may be "ill advised" or "foolish" but those of you who keep using the "corrupt" word.. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Dagny
PS If you aren't one of the ones calling the GMs corrupt, you don;t have to defend yourselves as I'm obviously not referring to you :-)
First, I haven't called the GMs corrupt. BUT, you're wrong.
Corrupt -
-made inferior by errors or alterations.
-to alter
-to lower morally
So yes, they're applying the word correctly.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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