What do you all think of the hp item in mall?

In PvE it is 10 seconds for reuse. However, I am not certain what it is in PvP in this version.

If its 10 seconds, then I see your point, however, if it is higher, then it might in fact be ok to use, even though it still give you an edge every "insert time here" in PvP.

EDIT: In addition, the classes are rather balanced on what they can do depending on the build.

it's 10 seconds for both pvp + pve.

and it's not that imbalanced as you think, heiro heals you at 50%, then during that 10 seconds you have enough time to kill the person.

remember pw pvp is about spike damage meaning huge amounts of dmg in a short periods of time.

Duel and PvP are two thing.

Duel is not PvP.

And Hieros works in PvP.

kaeriin wrote: »

Why does everyone keep bringing hieros into pvp? Ive been spending most of the time Im online dueling, and it DOES NOT WORK in pvp, the hiero only activates after the duel is over, regening you to full life... As long as the duel is on IT DOES NOTHING

with "PvP" most people actually mean "PK". And it DOES work in this case.
Also, I think it works in TW

I don't really care abot them cause i don't really care about PvP

The only thing it ever does imbalance is a barbarian in PvP. Healing at 50%, meaning the more HP the more it does heal and harder it is to kill. Every other class is easy to kill. You just have to learn how to adjust, because they aren't going anywhere except bigger, better versions of them.

I'll have to recheck the Herios again. I could of sworn when I was reading it's context that they said they won't activate during TWs, which I could of remembered thinking "Oh this is new"...

I think it's 1 minutes...
But I'll check again later...

my point is WHY would you try to 1vs1 some random barbarian?

he levels like ****, needs hp hieros like hell and just wastes them away in pvp and everything, so he's damn expensive to play.

And some nice magic class can still kill barbs 1vs1 (high lvl mage with crit maybe).
Just 5-6 physical classes, maybe 2 magical classes.

it's like 1 magic class won't kill a robecleric, doesn't say cleric is overpowered.


if every class would be able to easily kill the best tankclass ingame 1vs1, then we would be in dire lack of a tankclass in this game.

ofc a cleric can onehit a wizard (does have physical atk after all, well, ok, extreme high lvl wizard with maxed earth shield may be some different sory)

if you wanna 1vs1 someone go duel anyways

and hieros give barbs a larger advantage and COST them a fortune.
Hiero ticks on WF: oh noe, 2k hp gone from hiero
Hiero ticks on Barb: oh no, 20k gone on hiero

If you wanna annoy a barb run around him and let his hiero tick 500 times, whatever, let it tick till it's out. You'll annoy the **** out of him anyways.
And yes, HE IS HARDER TO KILL, so i see your point, and yes, hiero does give him even more survivability, so i get your point there.
Is it imba because of that? no, imho not.

And if you try to flame me with that "learn the game" ****, go out and play with your 14 year old friends instead of discuss like a normal person in here, can't be that hard.

soukyuu wrote: »

with "PvP" most people actually mean "PK". And it DOES work in this case.
Also, I think it works in TW

I don't really care abot them cause i don't really care about PvP

PK = you're red
PVP = you're pink
duel = NOT pvp
arena = NOT pvp

The only comment that the Kin has is that he wishes they had a longer cooldown in PVP/PK. 10 seconds can go by fast, it's not really that long. And if your enemy has a decent amount of HP, well it's easy for them to survive. The Kin is not really much of a spike fighter. Played it, and The Kin thinks it to be rather boring and lacking skill. Wow, you run up and mash F4, F5, F6 and watch the person drop..>.> Yeah.

If Hiero's had a 1 minute delay, they'd be useful, but also give time for your warriors who choose to spec in quick, smaller strikes, (Like fists etc) a purpose. RF Done sort of the same thing. Potion cooldown time was insane on it. To kill someone, it was REQUIRED you had spike damage, and that kind of ruins the fun of a game. Where's the tactics? The strategies? What's the point of a DoT that lasts 15 seconds, if their heiro ticks every 10 seconds? Who cares if your DOT does 5k over 15 seconds. If they can live long enough for their hiero to tick, boom. They live.1 minute delay gives them enough HP, and enough time to take down a larger class such as a WB / Barbarian as well. It gives them basically 1.5 x the health, but wouldn't make them "omg invincible" either. That's just the Kin's response.

Now admittedly, The Kin hasn't played the endgame of PW, so he's not sure how it'll go. The End game of RF however, either you were a Templar, Summoner or Wizard, else you were useless. All the other classes, Guardian, steeler, etc. They all paled in comparison to the spiker classes which kind of sucked.

Higher cooldown = less hiero wasting = less money for PWE
Besides endgame dungeon bosses requires constant hiero ticking, you'll be thankful for those hieros saving your life.

Too lazy to quote multiple people so I"ll just say some of my thoughts on the matter.

1. It's a 10 second cooldown.
1a. At later levels a boss will force it to tick every 10 seconds with a single hit, while your clerics try desperately to keep the tank alive (ticking their mp at 75%)
1b. 75% of mp happens FAST for most casters.

2. Fist "Blademasters" have an extremely high crit rate (usually second only to archers) because of their focus on agility.

3. If a barbarian annoys you enough to attempt to pk him, forcing him to waste his cash shop gear (and thus his real money) is a sort of sadistic justice. Therefore, killing him may not be seen as an ultimate goal for some pkers.

Now especially directed towards haiz:

Barbarians have a definite LACK of ranged spells. It is entirely possible to kite one depending on how skilled you are, what your class may be, and how stupid said barbarian is.

One of the barbarian's most potent attacks drains half their life in a single, obscenely powerful blow. One of the most powerful Venomancer's skills reflects 200% of melee damage (like what the barbarian does), and allows them to only take 25% of the damage. This scenario isn't too common, but would result in an embarrassing situation for the barbarian.

A cleric is able to use cyclone and sleep to weaken a barbarian, and are more than capable of ripping apart their (usually) weak magic defense. The same could be said of a wizard's seal and teleport spells.

Archers have stun, and the crit chance. I'm not too sure how a blademaster or another barbarian could beat one with a hierogram though... as I have no experience in that area.

EDIT: faruxue, if PWE made less money because the hieros would take longer to wear out (from a longer cooldown), they'd probably make much more money on those dolls...

They make money from those people that constantly burns hiero from HH runs.
There's a reason why MP hieros sells way faster than HP hieros, because in a dungeon MP burns way faster than HP. In a pk, HP burns faster than MP.

Hiero gets wasted just about anywhere when you wear 1. Arena, After a duel, Dungeons, TW, zhen parties, and open pk.
While dolls are only lost in open pk and in dungeons when Priests die.