29 FP boss leads to death ; ;

You can get a nice pendant.

Mages are actually best for that dungeon >.> They have to have the earth shield though

fb29 gives a really nice 3 star purple pants for casters.

In PW, if you are healing the WB, and that WB dead, most likely you are the boss's next next target, unless an EA or MG give it another hit. If the WB has no heirogram, you need two EP then, one is not so safe, but it is doable if he use the largest pot he can use, and spam it ^^.

Earth resistance? Last I knew he did this ice attack, which sounds like water based.

everyone thinks WB's can tank everything. Heeloooo WB's SUCK at tanking magic mobs.
Examples:

Dark wolf lord, FB29, FB59 (some boses) are BEST to "tank" with MG's.

I saw 2 MG's kill DWL today with no EP, one healed the other and they had 2 blue name WF's to add DPS. THATS how effective the right tool for the job is.

shizo wrote: »

Still... due their high health they can tank most likely everything with 1-2 Clerics and as DamageDealer you dont steal aggro

There is so much wrong with that statement :S

High health doesn't mean **** when each hit takes out half your life or more. A level 30 wb might have 20% or less earth resist, while a Mage may have upwards of 70, 80%. Taking 1500 a hit as a werebeast isn't quite comparable to 375 as a mage unless that mage happens to have less than 700 hp. Which is why what Junk suggested a con mage.

Damage dealers steal aggro all the time. Your main job as a werebeast tank is to STOP that from happening. If you don't ripping bite, the damage dealers will steal aggro and keep it, no problems. So just let the mage in your party deal with ching, and you can whack at it and pretend you're tanking.

Also lipe... EVERY boss in fb59 uses magic, not just some. =p

Heh ist been a while and my memory has always been crappy, so thnx for the correction on fb59.
Glad to see some other players here also know a little bit more than "omfg where is the lvl 99 WB to tank this maic mob"

senovit wrote: »

High health doesn't mean **** when each hit takes out half your life or more. A level 30 wb might have 20% or less earth resist, while a Mage may have upwards of 70, 80%. Taking 1500 a hit as a werebeast isn't quite comparable to 375 as a mage unless that mage happens to have less than 700 hp.

Precisely. And it's not necessarily because mages take less damage compared to their HP pool. Let's think of this situation: You have a 700 hp mage that gets hit for 300. He can take 2 hits and then he's dead. You have a 2500 hp werebeast that gets hit for 600. He can take 4 hits before dropping. Who is going to be the tank? The werebeast, right? WRONG.

You have to take into account healing power. A level 31 cleric using the best healing he can get (lvl 6 ironheart) will have a HPS of 217 + 9% matk. Given that his matk will probably be in the 200-300 range, that adds up to about 240 HPS at best. Let's say the boss hits every 2 seconds. Both characters have started with 7 stacks of ironheart, and the priest keeps stacking at max cast rate.

Hit 1: werebeast is at 1900 HP, mage is at 400 hp
Hit 2: werebeast was at 2380 HP now 1780, mage was at 700 hp, now 400
Hit 3: werebeast was at 2260 HP now 1660, mage was at 700 hp, now 400
...
Hit 20something: werebeast dies. mage has his hp fluctuating wildly but keeps on going.

A high hp pool doesn't make or break tanks. Armor is much more important, because more armor means less damage, and this makes healing more efficient. As long as the tank doesn't get 1-2 shotted, he will be fine with enough armor/magic resistance.

Finally someone understands how overated con is! True tanking power lies in regeneration, NOT in max hp

Try taking a 50 K wb for a walk without means of regeneration and he will soon be dead, now do the same with the 2 K life warrior with regen pots + sutra = he will last or a LONG time

Should be common sense

When I made a warrior in my-en she was going through the game at lvl 2x (which is the hardest time a warrior has, before he gets sutra) without using a single pot, thanks to the regen pots crafted at the pharmacist, and this with 1 K life, no more... She would downright own any Wb that came her way, easily

Now of course, rich people will play with hierograms, and when using hierograms, its just a matter of not dying within 10 seconds, but burning hieros like that is stupid anyway

haiz wrote: »

Wizards tank a lot of bosses better in this game than barbarians. They made some bosses have insane physical attack and lower magic attack for a purpose of making wizards slightly useful. 29fb, dark wolven lord, microhemo, the last two bosses of the seven sign series quest, all of the 59fb bosses. There are quite a few but wizards are tanks in this game.

I played a WB in PW-MY so I know ^^...
We clean the whole Fb 29 with 1 EP, 1 EA and 1 WB in lvl 29-32. Of course I have HP hierogram.
Dark wolven lord is a tough job. King tank it solo for us when he is 60. I was able to tank it at 4x with an EP. And I don't think a MG can tank it at the level for the quest.
Microhemo? Sorry but I forgot what boss is this ^^.
The two last bosses in 7 sign quest, yes MG is a perfect tanker for these 2 bosses. I still can tank the giant snake at 7x though, but the one under water? Forget it, cause he has two fellows with him.
Fb 59? I am able to tank with one EP when I had that quest. Of course we had a full party and using wine. But I think WF 75+ does a better job in Fb 59, cause it doesn't cost them anything to tank these boss.
Any other Fbs? Come back when you team turn 8x, 9x ^^...

anima wrote: »

I played a WB in PW-MY so I know ^^...
We clean the whole Fb 29 with 1 EP, 1 EA and 1 WB in lvl 29-32. Of course I have HP hierogram.
Dark wolven lord is a tough job. King tank it solo for us when he is 60. I was able to tank it at 4x with an EP. And I don't think a MG can tank it at the level for the quest.
Microhemo? Sorry but I forgot what boss is this ^^.
The two last bosses in 7 sign quest, yes MG is a perfect tanker for these 2 bosses. I still can tank the giant snake at 7x though, but the one under water? Forget it, cause he has two fellows with him.
Fb 59? I am able to tank with one EP when I had that quest. Of course we had a full party and using wine. But I think WF 75+ does a better job in Fb 59, cause it doesn't cost them anything to tank these boss.
Any other Fbs? Come back when you team turn 8x, 9x ^^...

You sir, fail at knowledge of this game. You don't "think" blah, don't come here spouting useless knowledge if you "don't think" something. I'm a mage, I'm a pure int mage, i'm a pure int mage with no con, I've tanked all the bosses I have already mentioned without HP hierograms and only one cleric is needed. Oh, and just for a little extra information. When a wizard is able to tank a boss and a barbarian can as well, the wizard will be the better choice, and here is why. A barbarian tanks and holds agro through skills, and a wizard tanks and holds agro through pure damage. With barbarians some people have to hold back and can't go all out, but with a wizard who is going all out it allows everyone else as well and hence, bosses die faster.

Just so you know, WFs are horrible tanks because they have no real damage to hold agro, their spells are half as strong as the other magic classes because the rest of their damage comes from their pet.

Sure a barbarian could tank stuff that a wizard can tank, but he'll need a HP hierogram and he'll have trouble as well. Have fun watching your HP hierogram waste away when you refuse to let the wizard tank.

Just for the record, here's all the fbs I tanked. 29fb, 39fb (only last boss), 59fb, 69fb (first boss and the mini bosses), 79fb (all but the archer boss). I even tanked one of the 89fb bosses the fire immune foxy one in heaven, but that hit too hard and its better left for the barbarian. Wizards are literally mob control in fbs, because a lot of mobs use magic and will **** your blademasters and barbarians. You come in as a wizard and save the whole party by tanking one or two when the stupid venomancer pulls too many. If you've never seen a wizard do any of this stuff, you just play with crappy wizards.

Oh my gawd, I seriously hope you are not comparing all wizards to sami. He was seriously, SERIOUSLY, the worst wizard at PvP in the server. Yes, he was dumb, very dumb and made the wizard class look horrible. Not only that, he was light armor, far off of pure int in which what I am talking about. No duh archers could take agro off of him and so could a WF pet, which I find hilarious. Please find where I said a venomancer was useless especially in HH, terd. You can search through my old posts where I stated venomancer is the highest dps class, but their damage is cut in two halves so neither of them ever pulls agro, unless it is in HH where the pet is able to.

To make it a little simpler for your Engrish brain, a wizard does 10k damage, the venomancer does 6k, and his golem does 6k. Who does more damage total? The Venomancer, but who keeps agro? The Wizard. You using Sami as an example for wizards is just about the funniest thing I've seen on these forums yet. I could care less if he was the first 9x, it doesn't make him good. I remember seeing his equipment when he was 8x and yeah, it's no surprise you thought wizards sucked. All he did was rush to 90 and didn't have one piece of decent gear. Well, that's how a lot of WL did it.

Seeing as how you said Sami was your first MG, I'm assuming you were either in WL or ReBorn, meaning all of your wizards were light armor. You can call me one of the first, genuine 9x wizards on Oracle who did it pure int style. Not only that, but I did it under the KoS of WL which made it even more exciting. I'm pretty sure I know what bosses I was capable of tanking, and I'd do it with archers the same level as me too.

So let me sum this all up for you. If you were in WL or ReBorn, yes your wizards did suck. I soloed NC Slayer when he was 9x and I was a little 8x. He was only a dumb heavy armor as well. You guys were good at one thing, and it was sharing accounts and grinding. Most of your builds were geared towards leveling faster, hence why they were all light armor and heavy armors. That's why their damage sucked overall, all they wanted was survivability while doing AoE parties. So really, don't compare your wizards to me, please.

Soo, if you want to be a tank in PW you should be a wizard? lol
Then whats the purpose of the barbarian and the blademaster in the game?

Assuming that I was in WL or Reborn after Sami and bunch of rich kids and noobie joined was fail, cause that time I came back to Viet PW which just update dungeon 109 and stuff... Those MG tried Heavy and Light Armor so they can survive in Zhen and TW longer, dealing with EA..., more CON to finish off 30k HP WB in TW .etc They tried new build, just I like I did try to build a Dex WB or Demon WB. And I fail.
After all, I do agree that WB cannot tank everything in this game. But I don't agree that pure INT and no HP hierogram will do a good job. You can keep aggro from other classes, but how about EA? HELL NO.
You have your way to build your MG and tank magic bosses, and it works for you and your gangs. Congrat.

And bout sharing account and whatever happened between you and those WL, it doesn't do anything with me and my tanking experience ^^. I still believe in Flesh Ream, and Alacrity of the beast, and at least WF's pet has Flesh Ream.
Once more, when you talk about my Engrish brain, is it a bit personal? Look at my signature please.