Penalties for boting/hacking etc...

karmelia
karmelia Posts: 0 Arc User
edited January 2010 in Chronicles
http://support.perfectworld.com/violation <--- Can an admin tell me where does using a **** such as the jump ****, or the bug in the forrest run event fall into this graphic?
Frankieraye said : "we can promise that we will work to improve all facets of community, engineering, and customer service to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again."


(We are still waiting to see any improvements or changes beign implemented. More empty promises from PWI?)
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  • ark
    ark Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    They misspelled anyone as anoyne in the security section.
    As a Guild,

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  • nounours
    nounours Posts: 453
    edited August 2008
    karmelia wrote: »
    http://support.perfectworld.com/violation <--- Can an admin tell me where does using a **** such as the jump ****, or the bug in the forrest run event fall into this graphic?

    I think **** is account termination directly(it wasnt the question....yes it was...)
  • ark
    ark Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    On the Malaysian version, a jump **** resulted in a 3-day suspension if caught. Repeated, it went up from there.
    As a Guild,

    Live as One, fight as One, win as One.
    Strength in Unity,
    Order through Chaos,
    Victory united.
  • karmelia
    karmelia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    nounours wrote: »
    I think **** is account termination directly

    That's what they said in MY-EN too, but changed their minds afterwards. I want to know what they plan to do in here....
    Frankieraye said : "we can promise that we will work to improve all facets of community, engineering, and customer service to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again."


    (We are still waiting to see any improvements or changes beign implemented. More empty promises from PWI?)
  • nounours
    nounours Posts: 453
    edited August 2008
    ark wrote: »
    On the Malaysian version, a jump **** resulted in a 3-day suspension if caught. Repeated, it went up from there.
    karmelia wrote: »
    That's what they said in MY-EN too, but changed their minds afterwards. I want to know what they plan to do in here....


    hmm the problem with Malaysian version its that they don't really care about hacks, and even if they find they wont really do anything if the player is a big user of item mail..Haha:p
    How ever here, it will be deferent i guess...
  • ark
    ark Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    Well, it's just the apparent rule. If you're not a big spender, then thaat's what would apply.
    As a Guild,

    Live as One, fight as One, win as One.
    Strength in Unity,
    Order through Chaos,
    Victory united.
  • zoefox
    zoefox Posts: 225
    edited August 2008
    ark wrote: »
    Well, it's just the apparent rule. If you're not a big spender, then thaat's what would apply.

    Everyone should get banned equally. No matter how much or little you spend.
  • orinj
    orinj Posts: 460 admin
    edited August 2008
    zoefox wrote: »
    Everyone should get banned equally. No matter how much or little you spend.

    QFT to the statement above. i wholeheartedly agree 100%. spending money doesn't make you immune to the law.

    and in response to your question karmelia,

    if you are purposely using a bug in the game to get an unfair advantage and do so knowingly, it may result in a 1-day suspension and up. all depends on the outcome and how it affected you and other players.

    if you are using a jump ****, your account will be investigated and the penalty will be decided. if you are a first time offender, 3 days is about right. if this is your second warning about using hacks, most likely a permanent ban is in store.

    thanks

    orinj
    F.E.A.R. has two meanings: Forget Everything And Run - OR - Face Everything And Rise. The choice is yours, my friend.
  • karmelia
    karmelia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    orinj wrote: »
    if you are using a jump ****, your account will be investigated and the penalty will be decided. if you are a first time offender, 3 days is about right. if this is your second warning about using hacks, most likely a permanent ban is in store.

    Mmm, so we all have a free shot at using jump **** to farm HH gold mats then...

    I must say I'm not to happy with giving cheaters some leeway like that.

    Someone can use the jump **** to farm HH for weeks before being detected. In that time, he could have gathered tons of mats that will be unremovable from the game either because it was used to craft, passed along to other players, sold, etc....

    It reminds me of the mess Cubinet got themselves into with banning jump hackers for a few days for first offense. There was a major uproar of the players about that.
    Frankieraye said : "we can promise that we will work to improve all facets of community, engineering, and customer service to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again."


    (We are still waiting to see any improvements or changes beign implemented. More empty promises from PWI?)
  • nounours
    nounours Posts: 453
    edited August 2008
    I agree with you Karm,
    1st saying that a **** will at 1st end up with only 3days suspension, will motive 90% of hacker to ****,
    but we have to see the reality there will always be people trying to ****,
    the best we can do is to make a **** as hard as possible,
    A **** will always be detected early or later and the account will end up banned.
    (problem with their system is that, the hacker will have time to trade **** items ect to one other account[like u said]!!)
  • ossify
    ossify Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    using a hacking program is never accidental, there shouldn't even be a warning, just perm ban the first time they're caught. harsh punishment will result in fewer hackers. a warning is totally unnecessary. hope the admins will take this into consideration. thx.
  • orinj
    orinj Posts: 460 admin
    edited August 2008
    ossify wrote: »
    using a hacking program is never accidental, there shouldn't even be a warning, just perm ban the first time they're caught. harsh punishment will result in fewer hackers. a warning is totally unnecessary. hope the admins will take this into consideration. thx.

    we always take everyone's suggestions into consideration :) it's part of our job actually, heheh. and even if it wasn't a part of our job, we'd do so anyway.

    so keep your opinions and suggestions coming. trust me, they don't end up in a virtual garbage bin or in one virtual ear and out the other.

    just remember - keep your all your opinions, gripes, and complaints civil. not saying that this thread hasn't done that - far from it - but just a friendly reminder that's all :)

    oh and can anyone PM me more details about HH jump hacking? i don't think i'm savvy to bug in its entirety.

    thanks,

    orinj

    EDIT

    oh and if that bug you guys mentions results in a person hoarding mats, that is considered an interruption to service. and if it affects multiple users, economies and whatnot, it is escalated to a major interruption to service, which ultimate leads to bannage. but again, thanks for the heads up :)
    F.E.A.R. has two meanings: Forget Everything And Run - OR - Face Everything And Rise. The choice is yours, my friend.
  • rax
    rax Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    Hacking should be a perma-ban. Pleading innocent or i didnt know it was a **** is like robbing a bank and saying you just making a withdraw and so you shouldnt be punished harshly.
  • karmelia
    karmelia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    orinj wrote: »
    oh and can anyone PM me more details about HH jump hacking? i don't think i'm savvy to bug in its entirety.

    From what I know, jump **** is used to jump above areas/monsters in HH and FB, and accessing the bosses directly without having to go through kill all the mobs in between.

    So you can finish an instance much faster than if you would have to kill everything.

    Some videos showing the jump **** :

    http://www.technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DY5z0wjtisms

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymPLSjo_BoI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8VsSgce0ck
    Frankieraye said : "we can promise that we will work to improve all facets of community, engineering, and customer service to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again."


    (We are still waiting to see any improvements or changes beign implemented. More empty promises from PWI?)
  • Falzar_King - Lost City
    Falzar_King - Lost City Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    OK what about this. Changing the Looks of your Character then what they are normally to look.
    Here a Video I found to Show what I mean.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzJAyCeYesI&feature=related


    Would doing this. No matter how little or big it is be allow or not and counted as Hacking?
    Some please anwser don't make me make a thread on this.
  • Ardaanaa - Heavens Tear
    Ardaanaa - Heavens Tear Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Falzar_King - Lost City wrote: »
    OK what about this. Changing the Looks of your Character then what they are normally to look.
    Here a Video I found to Show what I mean.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzJAyCeYesI&feature=related


    Would doing this. No matter how little or big it is be allow or not and counted as Hacking?
    Some please anwser don't make me make a thread on this.

    Spoons say very direct that any tampering whit character look is pretty much NO GO and if detect then penalty can be very "unpleasant" for player.
  • Falzar_King - Lost City
    Falzar_King - Lost City Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Ardaanaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Spoons say very direct that any tampering whit character look is pretty much NO GO and if detect then penalty can be very "unpleasant" for player.

    OK but Why. Its not like Im going to make Uber amount of Gold, Or get or make the Best Items in the game or Uber my stat's and PK anyone and everything.

    ((ad no I did not mess around with character's or going to. I'm just thinking about the idea of doing. And wondering why is it not ok whn we're able to. I mean you would think they would put a lock on the file's that may lead to hacking or something that's not allow.)
  • Ardaanaa - Heavens Tear
    Ardaanaa - Heavens Tear Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Falzar_King - Lost City wrote: »
    OK but Why. Its not like Im going to make Uber amount of Gold, Or get or make the Best Items in the game or Uber my stat's and PK anyone and everything.

    ((ad no I did not mess around with character's or going to. I'm just thinking about the idea of doing. And wondering why is it not ok whn we're able to. I mean you would think they would put a lock on the file's that may lead to hacking or something that's not allow.)

    When comes to customizations in my personal opinion this should be allowed since we have our character files on HD and would lead to huge diversify of game characters <aka chibi veno for example b:chuckle>.

    They did not lock those files because they must be readable for computer as well and most game hacks orbit over money and statistic **** because that is something what profit hackers most.

    When comes to gold **** allowing them would create too high advantage for anyone who known where to look or what tool could use to add in his account millions of coins without even moving little finger in left boot b:chuckle to grind... and of course having infinite source of money afford super hyper gear whit best possible shards... so tell me would you see this cheating fair toward players who actually work to collect in off moneys <taking out of scoop Cash Shop of course> to afford purchasing good gear.

    Same situation when comes to statistic ****.

    Can you imagine lvl 20 cleric who after hacking can 1 hit KO 8X <or higher> mob using plume shot only and have 1000000 unchangeable HP/MP? <aka god mode>

    How fair this could be?

    That is why for many MMO companies money and statistic **** <usually target for hackers> are big NO GO because they created too huge advantage for hackers over regular players.
  • Falzar_King - Lost City
    Falzar_King - Lost City Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    OK but that with Money, Stat's.
    But hows Changing one character. Like say I go ahead and do the Hero's Mask Change like that of in the Video I posted. Going to help me get money or better stat's.
  • khristy
    khristy Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Falzar_King - Lost City wrote: »
    OK but Why. Its not like Im going to make Uber amount of Gold, Or get or make the Best Items in the game or Uber my stat's and PK anyone and everything.

    ((ad no I did not mess around with character's or going to. I'm just thinking about the idea of doing. And wondering why is it not ok whn we're able to. I mean you would think they would put a lock on the file's that may lead to hacking or something that's not allow.)

    There's one and only one reason why you aren't allowed to alter the character's appearance by modifying the files on your own computer.

    That reason is because if they allow that, no one will buy reset scrolls from the Cash Shop and they will make less money.

    After all, isn't that what it's all about?
  • Falzar_King - Lost City
    Falzar_King - Lost City Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    khristy wrote: »
    There's one and only one reason why you aren't allowed to alter the character's appearance by modifying the files on your own computer.

    That reason is because if they allow that, no one will buy reset scrolls from the Cash Shop and they will make less money.

    After all, isn't that what it's all about?

    reset Scroll's are for Stat point's not look's. You mean the Makeover Scroll.
  • Khristy - Heavens Tear
    Khristy - Heavens Tear Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Falzar_King - Lost City wrote: »
    reset Scroll's are for Stat point's not look's. You mean the Makeover Scroll.

    Yeah, I meant makeover scroll. It's what happens when you post at 6am after having no sleep. b:chuckle
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  • Noggin - Dreamweaver
    Noggin - Dreamweaver Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Also rather than drawing an arbitary line in the sand and have people whining about what they are and are not allowed to do in the files its just easier to say no to everything.

    Once you allow changes, however small or unimportant people will push the boundaries. The current rule is straight forward and unambiguous, no changes to game file for any reason.
  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Epic necro, guys.

    /thread
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  • Khristy - Heavens Tear
    Khristy - Heavens Tear Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Noggin - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Also rather than drawing an arbitary line in the sand and have people whining about what they are and are not allowed to do in the files its just easier to say no to everything.

    Once you allow changes, however small or unimportant people will push the boundaries. The current rule is straight forward and unambiguous, no changes to game file for any reason.

    I understand you aren't allowed to alter any game files for any reason, I suppose something to do with them being their intellectual property or something, whatever.

    That however, is the excuse they use for not allowing multiple clients running on the same computer. They say you have to modify game files to allow it.

    Well, that is not true in every case! With some operating systems you would have to do that. However, with Linux, as an example, you DO NOT have to modify anything at all to run multiple copies on the same computer.

    You simply create 2 or more user accounts and install a separate copy for each account. You can then log on more than one user at a time and run each copy of PW independently of each other without modifying anything.

    *** Disclaimer: Don't try this at home... or anywhere! ***

    I'm pretty sure the GMs and Devs are completely aware of this fact which makes their zero tolerance rule against this seem rather arbitrary.

    They refuse to even address the issue and close any thread even bringing up the subject, as will no doubt happen here.

    If it can be done without altering any files, then what harm is there? How is it any differant than running 2 clients on 2 computers, as far as bandwidth and server loading is concerned?

    And no, before you pull out the ban hammer, I don't do it, so don't get all antsy. I have 2 computers and run 1 copy on each, as the law allows.
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  • eatwithspoons
    eatwithspoons Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    When you post in a thread that has been inactive for more than a month it is considered necromancy, and that is against the forum rules.

    If you see an inactive subject that appeals to you, please create a new thread rather than "necroing" an old one b:thanks
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