Censoring

mazterl
mazterl Posts: 58 Arc User
edited June 2009 in Suggestion Box
I have an idea.

How about making the censoring optional?

I am already anticipating heavy censoring in this game, like there is in pretty much all MMO games out there. But honestly, I despise censorship.

So my suggestion goes to make a tiny little box, where I can untick word censoring. Then it will be my cjoice alone to be subjected to everyones flaming and cursing. Maybe a way to choose a level of censoring.

Maybe combined with a way to Ignore or Block people. Muting those you don't want to "see" talk.
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  • rena
    rena Posts: 184 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    A few MMO use a turnoff/on feature which works pretty nicely. But it all depends how the game is coded, might not be possible to put such a feature in the game.
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  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    They won't do it, they want this place to be "safe for kids".

    I wish this game was rated M like rohan ;_;
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  • embl3m
    embl3m Posts: 494 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    In a perfect world there's no swearing
  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    embl3m wrote: »
    In a perfect world there's no swearing

    In a perfect world, everyone swears and chaos reigns supreme.
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  • loktoris
    loktoris Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    In a perfect world, you'd get to decide what you wanted.
  • mazterl
    mazterl Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    In a perfect, there would be no hypocracy and no censorship ;)
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  • soukyuu
    soukyuu Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    As far as i know, the client has a textfile with words to filter, so everytime the client gets a message, it checks this file and filters the message accordingly. So theoretically, it's not hard to implement a switch to turn it on/off. Maybe set in to ON per default and allow to turn it off somewhere in the settings...
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  • f4ding
    f4ding Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    I totally agree one of my favorite games has no chat filter the game is rated 17+ maybe they could just add a 17+ server with no chat filter.
  • mazterl
    mazterl Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    I could go for that too.

    I am just so sick and tired of having some morally depraved jerk sit somewhere far away telling me what I can say and what I can't say. Which words are deemed okay and what profanity is.

    What ever happend to Free Speech? What happend to Speak you Mind? Who has the RIGHT to tell others what can be said?

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  • espionis
    espionis Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    Only reason for filters, is because they are trying to keep game as "child safe" as possible. It's almost a common courtesy in most games to disallow swearing, since the game is open to people as old as 99, or as young as 6. There are some games with 17+ servers, but I think it requires ID of some sort.
  • starelf
    starelf Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    I would vote for an unfiltered option, I appreciate the games that allow those of us mature enough to decide if we care to see what is being said to in fact turn it on and off.

    As a side note. A perfect world is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone's definition of a perfect world will differ depending upon their own viewpoint of it.
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  • psychon
    psychon Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    Aye, there were a few games I played that had the option of wordfilters in-game. Some had levels while others just had "off" and "on" as settings.
    We don't really need anything big like wordfilter levels, personally I'd say off or on would be fine. Gives us "big kids" a chance to say what we want without having asterisks dot our text. Besides, sometimes those things bleep out the dumbest words. I can say damn but I can't say "wtf" seriously? D:
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  • pixiewink
    pixiewink Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    i never like the censoring either. although it is sometimes funny what works get censored. like in pw-my it kind sucks if you are looking for any of the items with "fragment" in their name. why that word gets filtered i cant even begin to imagine.
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  • prosper
    prosper Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    Censoring in MMOs doesn't even make sense to me anyways, it's completely ineffective. People find ways to express themselves and everyone can tell what they're saying anyways. And there's always a couple weird censored words that aren't even profane; Perfect World has the most of those I've seen so far. Snake = *****? What the hell?

    I'm all for the on/off feature.
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  • soukyuu
    soukyuu Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    prosper wrote: »
    Snake = *****? What the hell?
    What are you talking about?! snake is a very very offensive word :D

    Seriously, any filter i saw so far just... failed. In many different ways.
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  • troll
    troll Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    it's all so you can't type something like "hey GM let's get NAKEd".
  • mazterl
    mazterl Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    The way filtering works in pretty much any MMO these days, is the way letters are combined. So you can freely put na-ked or the f*-*k word if you just put in a . or - to render the filtering useless. Of course, those familiar with "leet" chat can easily bypass the filtering.

    But in the end, censorship is simply WRONG! In any form, by any means and it's in direct violation of Free Speech and the right to be an individual. Censoring forces people to behave in a certain way, that may go against their nature. It also goes against everyting that is "Land of the Free". How does Freedom go together with censoring of TV, Internet Chat, Radio and pretty much any aspect of life?

    No, some ethically ****ed up prick sits in some dark office and dictates what is "right" and what is "wrong". That in itself is just wrong. His idea of morality and ethics simply isn't what *I* think and believe in. It even gets to a point of absurd, when the American TC shows is censored when it reaches my TV in Denmark, 3000 miles away.

    Oooopssss....

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  • embl3m
    embl3m Posts: 494 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    mazterl wrote: »
    The way filtering works in pretty much any MMO these days, is the way letters are combined. So you can freely put na-ked or the f*-*k word if you just put in a . or - to render the filtering useless. Of course, those familiar with "leet" chat can easily bypass the filtering.

    But in the end, censorship is simply WRONG! In any form, by any means and it's in direct violation of Free Speech and the right to be an individual. Censoring forces people to behave in a certain way, that may go against their nature. It also goes against everyting that is "Land of the Free". How does Freedom go together with censoring of TV, Internet Chat, Radio and pretty much any aspect of life?

    No, some ethically ****ed up prick sits in some dark office and dictates what is "right" and what is "wrong". That in itself is just wrong. His idea of morality and ethics simply isn't what *I* think and believe in. It even gets to a point of absurd, when the American TC shows is censored when it reaches my TV in Denmark, 3000 miles away.

    Oooopssss....

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  • cici
    cici Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    I think the word filter is working perfectly like ****. I mean so far it doesn't block out important words, like gore, amputation, die, death, darn, ****, anti-jewish, -asian, -christian, or - white slang. Doesn't block many sexual terms, although perhaps the weirdest part of anything close to an inclusion of sexual words that are blocked is female genitalia while male genitalia is not blocked. Only two terms for a loose woman are blocked (the word that rhymes with witch and the one that rhymes with door), while their male equivalents aren't blocked. And absolutely no drugs are blocked. Now assuming the forum's word filter is the same as the one used in-game this should make for an interesting time.
  • acrimony
    acrimony Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    So you're all screaming about taking the word filter out because.... ? You can't cuss without other people understanding what you said? Cause you know... if that's the reason... they're prolly FIGURE OUT you were saying bad things to them? (yes I did just assume everyone could understand english... how evil of me...).

    And if you're going to blather on about how your "right for free speech" is being tread on... erhm you're not "living" in a democratic game, you're using someone's service under someone's (the publisher's) terms...

    By the way, I doubt they'll keep filtering the silly stuff, like snake.

    And remember! Swearing does not make you cool!
  • starelf
    starelf Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    My reasons for supporting a toggle to the filter are these.

    I myself personally don't swear, at least not what I would consider swearing anyhow. However I am not offended by seeing others do so, in fact I think being able to fully see/know what others are actually saying gives a much better insight about them.

    Mostly for me it's a matter of freedom and choice. Yes I agree it should be available to protect those who should be shielded, however it should also be a choice to remain unblocked by those who don't wish to be shielded from life as it is. Security blankets are ok early in life but if you wear them too long then you end up being far more vulnerable eventually. Anyhow this is not a lecture or anything, just stating my views.

    Finally, most often the filters do very little to eliminate what they are meant to prevent and instead end up blocking out completely harmless content which just makes communication difficult and confusing. Which is why I always turn mine off in any game that has the option of doing so.

    For me at least it is not a matter of being able to cuss, it's a matter of being able to communicate without restriction because all my experience and years of living have given me that freedom and right. I don't need or want a security blanket around myself. If it's not possible to add a toggle then fine, I just live with it. But I know many systems do so fine and I would prefer an option that I can turn the filter off myself.

    That's my opinion on it, I will accept whatever it ends up being of course.
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  • prosper
    prosper Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    starelf wrote: »
    My reasons for supporting a toggle to the filter are these.

    I myself personally don't swear, at least not what I would consider swearing anyhow. However I am not offended by seeing others do so, in fact I think being able to fully see/know what others are actually saying gives a much better insight about them.

    Mostly for me it's a matter of freedom and choice. Yes I agree it should be available to protect those who should be shielded, however it should also be a choice to remain unblocked by those who don't wish to be shielded from life as it is. Security blankets are ok early in life but if you wear them too long then you end up being far more vulnerable eventually. Anyhow this is not a lecture or anything, just stating my views.

    Finally, most often the filters do very little to eliminate what they are meant to prevent and instead end up blocking out completely harmless content which just makes communication difficult and confusing. Which is why I always turn mine off in any game that has the option of doing so.

    For me at least it is not a matter of being able to cuss, it's a matter of being able to communicate without restriction because all my experience and years of living have given me that freedom and right. I don't need or want a security blanket around myself. If it's not possible to add a toggle then fine, I just live with it. But I know many systems do so fine and I would prefer an option that I can turn the filter off myself.

    That's my opinion on it, I will accept whatever it ends up being of course.

    Very well said. You're thinking deeper than most of us are, I'm just annoyed with filters cause they block out pretty much half my speech. xD
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  • mazterl
    mazterl Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    acrimony wrote: »
    So you're all screaming about taking the word filter out because.... ? You can't cuss without other people understanding what you said? Cause you know... if that's the reason... they're prolly FIGURE OUT you were saying bad things to them? (yes I did just assume everyone could understand english... how evil of me...).

    And if you're going to blather on about how your "right for free speech" is being tread on... erhm you're not "living" in a democratic game, you're using someone's service under someone's (the publisher's) terms...

    By the way, I doubt they'll keep filtering the silly stuff, like snake.

    And remember! Swearing does not make you cool!

    I am on about censoring because it's against my way of thinking and I feel it's against my personal freedom and the right to express myself in anyway I see fit. Sure I can make myself understood without every sentence contains the same word. Dig around the forum and notice that I rarely reduce the beauty of language to cussing and swearing. I don't even need the "dreaded" F word or any other "bad language" to put people down. It has nothing to do with it actually.

    It's a principle, it's a crusade, it's my RIGHT to expres myself as I want to.

    The providers of online games are not free to do as they please, believe it or not. It is not the host that forces the censoring of communications. It's government branch that dictates what is acceptable and what is not and this law is pressured onto very single host in the nation. European hosts are not subject to american law, but most place, the american idea of "acceptable" is just used, so as not to get to much trouble.

    Yes, the US government have forced more than a few into using THEIR version of acceptable communication and they are working on getting it made into International Law. And that is just creeping me out.

    Again, what happend to "Land of the Free"? I see more freedom pretty much everywhere else... How sad it sounds.

    Now, don't go lecturing me about what is cool and what is not. I couldn't care less. I'm a grown man, not a pimpled face teen with bracers and glasses. As such, it should be MY choice what I deem offensive to me and what is not. I completely agree with you in one thing, swearing doesn't make you cool, it makes you sound dumb and illeterate.

    I know how most filtering works online, I've been around online for a long time. I was playing games back when gaming was uncool. When Commodore ruled and PC was slower than slow and the OS was called DOS! I was there BEFORE the internet was a household name. The word filters are not word filters. Most are filters that combine letters in a specific pattern. So certain words will be ruined, even though they are in no way offensive. I'm not even gonna bother with naming them, you can use your imagination.

    So I dare to scream up about things that I find is undermining my personal freedom. I also dare to speak up in public about it. Do you really find it so disturbing that someone dares to question the way things work? Why are you defending a thing that a limit to how you can expres yourself and act? Is it realy so good to be censored? It's words now, what will be next?
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  • embl3m
    embl3m Posts: 494 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    THIS GAME WAS MADE IN CHINA

    asdf
  • razuso
    razuso Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    I agree, we should be able to choose if we want to censor cussing and be able to ignore people, we should also have a box to minimize buzzum size on those pervs who make them as large as possible xD
  • f4ding
    f4ding Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    They can take out the censoring but they have to rate the game 17+ there are very few games out there that do not censor words I'm used to the censors sure i would love to see them go but it's not something i will lose sleep over i don't need to cus but i like to see the actual words and not **** when someone says something to me so that i know exactly what they are saying.
  • tatakairyu
    tatakairyu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    I would like it to be uncensored but I don't really mind games being censored. It's not like people don't know what you're trying to say even if a lot of the words you used were censored (in most cases anyway). It does get annoying sometimes but most people get used to it.


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    acrimony wrote: »
    And if you're going to blather on about how your "right for free speech" is being tread on... erhm you're not "living" in a democratic game, you're using someone's service under someone's (the publisher's) terms...
  • himichi
    himichi Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    Censur the "I can see your panties in every pose" miniskirt. :3
  • tatakairyu
    tatakairyu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    mazterl wrote: »
    It's a principle, it's a crusade, it's my RIGHT to expres myself as I want to.

    You gave up that "Right" when you agreed to the ToS.
    mazterl wrote: »
    Now, don't go lecturing me about what is cool and what is not. I couldn't care less. I'm a grown man, not a pimpled face teen with bracers and glasses. As such, it should be MY choice what I deem offensive to me and what is not. I completely agree with you in one thing, swearing doesn't make you cool, it makes you sound dumb and illeterate.

    Don't go lecturing people on what you believe in because people have different beliefs and opinions. If you were a "grown man", you would know that a lot of little kids play this game and people will not change rules because YOU want them to. Even if the censorship barely helps they show they don't support words that the average person finds offensive.

    Sure people get around censors easy but not even trying to block out words that people may find offensive is worse than ignoring it all together.

    The game is not made for one specific group of people, it's made for many which is why they'll go with the majority of the people, it might seem wrong but they can't please everybody.
    mazterl wrote: »
    So I dare to scream up about things that I find is undermining my personal freedom. I also dare to speak up in public about it. Do you really find it so disturbing that someone dares to question the way things work? Why are you defending a thing that a limit to how you can expres yourself and act? Is it realy so good to be censored? It's words now, what will be next?

    Is it really that bad to be censored? We aren't talking about politics or laws, we're talking about an ingame censor. you're going over the top because they censor a few words? I really don't think they made games so you could "express yourself", they made it so people could enjoy and not make such a big deal out of.

    Also for the record, I'm pro toggle and I'd rather see an uncensored game than a censored one but the points that a lot of people brought up are really exaggerated (most anyway).
  • mazterl
    mazterl Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    Censorship, in any form, is in violation with what I believe in. Be it politics, tv or games, same difference really. It's the general idea of not being able to speak my mind, that I have a problem with, not the idea of "protecting" the kids.
    I know I can get in over my head, but this issue really bugs me and always have. I think it all started back when Danish TV became censored in american shows aired here. Worst was it when it became a rule, rather than an option here.
    About kids playing, that's all fine and good. Who do think has the worst language? A 30 year old gamer, with a vocabulary larger than the average or the 14 year old teenage hacker wannabe?
    No, games are NOT made for me to express myself, but I should be free to express myself even in a game. I should also have the option to see what other are really saying about me, instead of having to guess what those **** are.
    Offensive language have always been around and it always will. It's a fact. In a Perfect World, everyone would treat others with respect and there wouldn't be the need to stoop to name calling and all that.

    So, if I don't speak up against the things *I* personally find offensive, then who will? Most people support censorship, but I don't. I suggested an option to remove censorship or a way to lighten the filtering. I am well aware than things will not change because of me. But I am not the only one who wishes for a way to turn of the word filtering.

    But end game is, censoring is wrong, as I see it. In any form, any place, by anyone. It should be a choice, not mandatory.
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