Newcomers Read This Before Choosing PvP

I've been reading these forums for a while now trying to get an idea how things will go.

And for some reason people have the strange idea the the PK server is going to be a total killfest.

There are alot of other games including PW where there is open PK enabled, and they aren't like that at all. Sure there's PK, but you learn to live with it. MY-EN is open PK, and you don't see everyone going around PK'ing. Yeah, Zhen parties get busted up because of people being KOS or whatever, but that's what makes the game interesting.

I just hope the PK server doesn't end up like PW MY-EN's Oracle server, with everyone being carebears and /cry everytime they get PK'd, and more like oh say... Archlord. Gaiahon Server

You get PK'd, get over it. You don't wanna be PK'd, get off my server so I can have less lag. Thanks

well, if opt-PvP players are carebears then open-PvP players are gankers.
just stop calling each other names and let the thread die.
let people decide for themselves which server they want to choose.

might i also remind you that it was the openPvP faction that started this kind of threads?
yes it was not necessary to start a thread with mirrored arguments, now let it die.

You know, i could say the same about openPvP players. First they whined that there should not be any optPvP server because they will have no "carebears" to kill, now they whine about optPvP server spreading BS about the openPvP one when they first started it.
hypocrite much?

karmelia wrote: »

I'm not a carebear and I'm going to play on the optional-PvP server.

Funny that you say that, because "not wanting to be ganked while leveling" defines carebear.
You act like open pvp is evil, but yet I never really had problems in L2 or PW-MY.

Sure it's annoying when you're KOS and can't level at a certain spot most of the time, but you get used to it. I got ganked all the time in IT, and back in c1, LOA. That didn't stop my leveling or getting items from exclusive mobs. You'll learn to grow balls and how to pvp someday... unless you keep pussing out for a blue name anyways.

EDIT: Honestly, I think the reason you want PVE is because a lot of people would KOS you just because you seem to be intensely annoyed by it, and your posts rub people the wrong way lol

ranthe wrote: »

In WoW i would spend entire weekends doing raids on Alliance cities and battlegrounds. But when i was out leveling i would usually turn PvP off cause i wasn't in the mood. Same thing will go for TW on the PvE server.

You, my friend, have just defined yourself as a carebear. Someone who only engages in pvp when it is convenient for them, is still a carebear.

loktoris wrote: »

You, my friend, have just defined yourself as a carebear. Someone who only engages in pvp when it is convenient for them, is still a carebear.

Exactly. Carebears like mindless grinding without having to watch their radar.

karmelia wrote: »

Hehe ^_^

Nah, it's just that I'm more the kind of players who prefer cooperative play to competitive play in this type of games.

When I want PvP I hop on a FPS. I'm not playing those a lot now, but some years ago I played a lot on the old Quake Team Fortress and Unreal Tournaments.

What I'm trying to make you understand is that calling players who are less inclined to PvP carebear is not really nice. You did not liked being called a ganker. I don't like beign called a carebear. And I think it also apply to a lot of players here, on both sides. That's what my previous post was aiming at.

I think that when you'll understand that, we'll be able to get along a lot better.

Yet you think its fine to assume that pvpers/pkers are no lifers and that they'd constantly gank on the pvp server

I don't mind being called a ganker a carebear a no lifer or whatever people decide to think they can call me.

The more you're going to deny it the more people are going to criticize you for it. I really can't see whats so bad in a name, I really don't care its just the friggin internet

I don't think either of us want to get along if we're going to continue bullshitting each other and admitting to whats really going on. Honestly if you'd want to get along you'd have to admit on why you'd go to the pve server and yet still contest most of us, or lets say me in this situation with such....indiscreet arrogance.

I'm not sure if you mean it or not but everytime you post to argue with a pvper and even a newbie you put yourself in a context where you raise yourself above the said person yet never logically making sense

I do it as well, but at least I seem to admit my negative aspects, not shield them or not even aknowledge them such as denying attributes of my character partaking to gaming.

You made a very honest post though to be honest I did seem to always call you out on every comment you made. However bad I /thought/ it may be you still have your right to voice your opinion and thats what I'm all about. Though you have to understand that its a double edged sword. You talk about what you want, we talk about we want. You call us what you want, we call you what we want

If you really take the term carebear thattttt seriously I won't ever refer to you that way ever again because of the nice tingeling sensation this post made me feel. I can't speak for the rest, just be grateful that unlike them I'm a pvp oriented carebear

>(^__________^)<

here's my take on pk/opt pvp for anyone who cares, wall of text inc.

i've been on both sides of the fence and i've come to appreciate optional/consensual pvp more than open pk over time.

for a time during my early mmo years i was captivated by the world of perma red in UO so i know what it's like to kill without remorse and i also know what the rush that sometimes accompanies it feels like. it was fun and i can understand why people still enjoy it, but people were definitely more mature about it back then. the mindset of your average pker has definitely deteriorated and it isn't as enjoyable anymore. it's hard for me to enjoy my craft when the next person representing it is likely to start stroking their e-peen over every kill, talk smack and just generally act like a ****. stereotypical? yes, but there is a reason why this stereotype exists. there is some truth to it. with that said, i know there still exists guilds and players who pk not for the lulz but simply because they love to pvp and i have much respect for them.

on the other side we have consensual pvp which gives you the freedom to pvp when you want it. some call it carebear pvp, no-risk pvp, skilless pvp etc., but in my mind it is still legitimate pvp, no better or worse than pk. when people aren't forced to pvp you know those that are willing are ready and expecting it which is something i prefer. the thing that is missing from this type of pvp is the rush you get not knowing when you're gonna get ganked and actually having to tread carefully and plan ahead even for the most mundane tasks.

one other thing i wanna get off my chest; some people actually think pk takes more skill but in reality 'carebear' pvp doesn't take any more or less skill than pk. guild wars and daoc are two games that come to mind when i talk about consensual pvp and i would truly lol irl if anyone considered pk more demanding than those two games.

jpo wrote: »

Get a clue people....it's all about macros, button mashing, and your internet connection.

There is no skill involved in an MMORPG.

Get over yourselves already :rolleyes:

yeah its probably true mmorpgs incorporate those 3 factors
but remember that some mmorpgs require at least a bit of intelligence
aka properly using a job, (mages dont tank) and all that, and plus the knowledge of basic finance ( buy low sell high) but im not trying to say mmorpgs are benefiting life skills, but an idiot would not be able to play successfully

jpo wrote: »

Get a clue people....it's all about macros, button mashing, and your internet connection.

There is no skill involved in an MMORPG.

Get over yourselves already :rolleyes:

there is a certain amount of skill involved in any mmo pvp. obviously you won't need lightning fast reflexes like in fps and rts games but it helps. knowing what skills to use in a given situation and being able to assess the battlefield infront of you are skills that set players apart. i simply can't observe a match in say guild wars and come out of it thinking no skill was involved.

ive never heard off or played this game played this gme before also is it good like wow can any one tell me what its like please thank you

mercia wrote: »

ive never heard off or played this game played this gme before also is it good like wow can any one tell me what its like please thank you

WoW is garbage compared to L2, and PW is almost on par with L2.
So get off of that american trash of a game and start getting used to some real games.

WoW is hands down the greatest game I have ever played.