Any PK initiation unfairness like in L2?

windie
windie Posts: 0 Arc User
edited September 2009 in Arigora Colosseum
I remember back in L2 as a spellsinger you couldn't initiate a PK with the sleeping skill which made it really stupid to get PKed by a TH.
Anything of this sort in PW?
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  • ark
    ark Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    Nope. :cool:
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  • kunamie
    kunamie Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    windie wrote: »
    I remember back in L2 as a spellsinger you couldn't initiate a PK with the sleeping skill which made it really stupid to get PKed by a TH.
    Anything of this sort in PW?

    a lot has been fixed in l2, you cant cast sleep on anyone with white name and it last like 10 seconds
  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    kunamie wrote: »
    a lot has been fixed in l2, you cant cast sleep on anyone with white name and it last like 10 seconds

    That's not even remotely close to what he asked, and for the record, I wouldn't call that a fix.
    No skill should be restricted from being used on a white player. Balance it some other way.
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  • kunamie
    kunamie Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    ren wrote: »
    That's not even remotely close to what he asked, and for the record, I wouldn't call that a fix.
    No skill should be restricted from being used on a white player. Balance it some other way.

    what? are you talking about L2 or PWI? i was just telling him how L2 is now
    and i dont think skills that can make you not able to move should be able to cast on anyone who hasnt flagged, and of course after theyre flagged then anything goes
  • puppetsoul
    puppetsoul Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    kunamie wrote: »
    and i dont think skills that can make you not able to move should be able to cast on anyone who hasnt flagged, and of course after theyre flagged then anything goes

    Which makes leading off a gank with you know, something to keep them from running away, impossible.

    Great plan. Now all we have to do is disable the ability to attack them except when they want to be attacked, and we'd be well on our way to some hot man on invalid target action.
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  • kunamie
    kunamie Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    puppetsoul wrote: »
    Which makes leading off a gank with you know, something to keep them from running away, impossible.

    Great plan. Now all we have to do is disable the ability to attack them except when they want to be attacked, and we'd be well on our way to some hot man on invalid target action.
    wow is all you guys wanna do is just to gank someone who cant even move? might as well go out and beat up a 5 yr old

    what im saying is that you can still attack someone who isnt flagged, but you shouldnt be able to stun sleep or slow them before they flag, cus it would be completely unfair to the other person, cus he is already being attacked first and he has to move his camera around find the attacker and trying to defend himself while he is half capable of fighting back than he can normally
  • senovit
    senovit Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    puppetsoul wrote: »
    Now all we have to do is disable the ability to attack them except when they want to be attacked, and we'd be well on our way to some hot man on invalid target action.
    You mean like a PvE server? D:
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  • mystic
    mystic Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    puppetsoul wrote: »
    Now all we have to do is disable the ability to attack them except when they want to be attacked, and we'd be well on our way to some hot man on invalid target action.

    You actually made me laugh out loud. It's 4:30 am. You're a son of a *****.
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  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    kunamie wrote: »
    wow is all you guys wanna do is just to gank someone who cant even move? might as well go out and beat up a 5 yr old

    what im saying is that you can still attack someone who isnt flagged, but you shouldnt be able to stun sleep or slow them before they flag, cus it would be completely unfair to the other person, cus he is already being attacked first and he has to move his camera around find the attacker and trying to defend himself while he is half capable of fighting back than he can normally

    How about instead of trying to ruin this game with your complaints, you go play a game that was designed for you.
    Like Pokemon World Online, Hello Kitty Online, tetris, WoW, etc.

    Besides, if you play the pve server you can just disable pvp. That should be just fine for you.

    L2's invalid target with sleep, shield stun, etc, is incredibly lame. Mages are far too weak, and quite frankly suck at pking since archers and daggers have an incredible advantage. A PK mage is a useless mage since people attacking him won't flag and thus can't be slept or have certain other skills used. Love the game, but there's so many dumb things about it that I just don't care anymore.
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  • kunamie
    kunamie Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    ren wrote: »
    How about instead of trying to ruin this game with your complaints, you go play a game that was designed for you.
    Like Pokemon World Online, Hello Kitty Online, tetris, WoW, etc.

    Besides, if you play the pve server you can just disable pvp. That should be just fine for you.

    L2's invalid target with sleep, shield stun, etc, is incredibly lame. Mages are far too weak, and quite frankly suck at pking since archers and daggers have an incredible advantage. A PK mage is a useless mage since people attacking him won't flag and thus can't be slept or have certain other skills used. Love the game, but there's so many dumb things about it that I just don't care anymore.

    im just saying things that can disable a character when they're not even aware of whats going on is an unfair advantage, the pker already gets the first stab

    and you need to calm down, dont assume i have something against pvp, i dont. just imagine yourself trying to do quests and lvl up and someone constantly catching you off guard and kill you, i can bet anything that you'll be bitching, crying and moaning
  • senovit
    senovit Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    I think after the first time, you'd be on guard. But that's just me.
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  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    kunamie wrote: »
    im just saying things that can disable a character when they're not even aware of whats going on is an unfair advantage, the pker already gets the first stab

    and you need to calm down, dont assume i have something against pvp, i dont. just imagine yourself trying to do quests and lvl up and someone constantly catching you off guard and kill you, i can bet anything that you'll be bitching, crying and moaning

    happened to me all the time in l2. with clan wars on, you can be slept and stuff anyways in that case... and I never really had a problem with "unfairness" from warred mages trying to sleep me. it's the 9vs 3 ganks that really suck, and no amount of gimping the game will stop the inevitable.

    There are bsoes in L2, and I think theres a similar cash shop item in pw. So whatever.
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  • kunamie
    kunamie Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    ren wrote: »
    happened to me all the time in l2. with clan wars on, you can be slept and stuff anyways in that case... and I never really had a problem with "unfairness" from warred mages trying to sleep me. it's the 9vs 3 ganks that really suck, and no amount of gimping the game will stop the inevitable.

    There are bsoes in L2, and I think theres a similar cash shop item in pw. So whatever.

    clan wars are a little different on the other hand cus you know if you step out of town, youre not save and the other clan could be out hunting for you guys soloing or whatever so youll be on guard, but if anyone can just do it, then i think it would really suck cus lets say if youre trying to grind and what not and some **** who is way higher lvl and likes to go to relatively low lvl areas just to **** with people
  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    You're always not safe, get used to it. Makes the game more fun.
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  • karmelia
    karmelia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    kunamie wrote: »
    lets say if youre trying to grind and what not and some **** who is way higher lvl and likes to go to relatively low lvl areas just to **** with people

    If you know you are at war with another guild, you can use that good little tool called the radar.

    When you see a little green dot, check who it is.

    If someone is really higher level than you, don't fight back. You'll loose nothing, he'll gain 2 more hours of red names.
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    (We are still waiting to see any improvements or changes beign implemented. More empty promises from PWI?)
  • xxralxx
    xxralxx Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    You know what I think the problem is with pking, you have to get back to where you teleported from. The only problem with ME getting killed, is walking all the way back, through lag, and other potential PKers in my way, its just annoying. I say to make everyone else happy, is not to make the killed player inconvinenced.

    How about, the killed player faints in that area, and can get up when he/she wants to?
    Of course, there will be greavers, but do you remember those Snes games where you are like, ghost-like and cant be attacked?

    After you "Faint" you are un-pkable to every player around you for about what 30min, and that should be a good enough time for both (because why would you want to kill somone after 5mins again) but the person that just got killed cant attack other players when you are in this mode, gives you the option to heal, and go back to doing whatever you need to do.

    And possible give a window that can let you enter any "Greavers" names that are surrounding you. This idea is kinda like hide and go seek, but with almost like a no tag backs rule.

    So this lets the gankers, greavers, and people going on a killing spree, there "fun", and dosent inconvenience the victims or "CareBears" (lol...carebears), and you can still keep the older rules, like red names and stuff.

    Also timer that says "So-and-So" will battle you in 10 seconds WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT, run or fight. This is so people can get ready for the fight, or run. And POSSIBLY, give one skill to each class, there own skill that makes that countdown shorter, sneak attack of sorts.

    P.S.: This idea wont effect Guild Wars, sence its WAR, duh :p

    (dont pay attention to my spelling)
  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    Absolutely not, that would destroy the game.
    If you want to be a carebear join the carebear server and don't pvp. It's that simple.
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  • xxralxx
    xxralxx Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    ren wrote: »
    Absolutely not, that would destroy the game.
    If you want to be a carebear join the carebear server and don't pvp. It's that simple.


    Wow, not even going to tell me whats wrong with it?!


    *slaps carebear sticker on forehead*
  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    There's no need for it, you carebears have your own server.

    Also resurrection scrolls resurrect you upon death, but I think using one wouldn't be worth it since you'll get killed again, it costs 10k per scroll, and each time you die you can drop items...
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  • yamy
    yamy Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    PK in l2 was alright. Who said mages couldn't pk in l2? Cuz of sleep? lawl ..
    Maybe not against an archer, but u could still pk. 1 vs 1, even on group fights. Dunno why u people say mages aren't good to pk with. I had mage, I pked, sometimes i died ... sometimes i won. Well, w/e o.o
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  • ren
    ren Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    yamy wrote: »
    PK in l2 was alright. Who said mages couldn't pk in l2? Cuz of sleep? lawl ..
    Maybe not against an archer, but u could still pk. 1 vs 1, even on group fights. Dunno why u people say mages aren't good to pk with. I had mage, I pked, sometimes i died ... sometimes i won. Well, w/e o.o
    Red =
    no sleep
    no anchor
    no silence
    no DoT
    no Slow (f spellsingers and their lame frost)
    no surrender to (element)
    probably more...

    Sorry but L2 has a lot of **** that sucks and disabling skills on nonflagged charachters is one of the most idiotic of them.
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  • iroiro
    iroiro Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    In PW the only unfairness part is the ambush, which is a big part of PK. Overall I say its pretty balanced since ganking is basically attacking someone unannounced.

    Guys stop talking about PvE server like they are the weaker ones, just because someone enjoy fighting in fair terms doesn't make them weaker. Oh wait, it is the other way around, maybe we are the weaker ones...

    /mopes....
  • scilin
    scilin Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2008
    kunamie wrote: »
    wow is all you guys wanna do is just to gank someone who cant even move? might as well go out and beat up a 5 yr old

    what im saying is that you can still attack someone who isnt flagged, but you shouldnt be able to stun sleep or slow them before they flag, cus it would be completely unfair to the other person, cus he is already being attacked first and he has to move his camera around find the attacker and trying to defend himself while he is half capable of fighting back than he can normally

    I have yet to play this game however ill use L2 as an example, if your an archer or rogue type or a really lucky mage type you can 2-3 shot your victim, hitting them 1st when their not expecting it isnt fair at all but then again ganking is not fair period despite how so many wanna brag about their l33t skills the aggressor will allways have the advantage.
  • MoneyShot - Harshlands
    MoneyShot - Harshlands Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    PvP servers aren't really about being fair in PvP...From the time you are level 30 you are able to be killed at any time by any player that is level 30 or higher. PvE servers on the other hand, require both parties involved in the "fight" to have the PK option enabled, which means no surprise. If you have the option to not be PK'd, and you turn this option off, expect it. It sounds like you would not enjoy a PvP server, since from level 30 until around level 70 ganking is very much the norm.
  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Holy **** Necro.


    Not even just a normal necro, the necro to end all necros.
    The only way to win is to quit. b:bye
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »
    Holy **** Necro.


    Not even just a normal necro, the necro to end all necros.

    The undead attack, the undead attack.... save the beer
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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    FPS games tell me I can shoot the undead and they'll die. Well... whatever they do when they're shot.
    *shoots*
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