Will the GMS be playing and joining guilds?

lazor · July 2008

Im leaving pw my due to this...the corruption is unbelievable..gms can ban and mute for any reason at all wheather it is true or not. transfering a few mil from my lvl 1 char which was the guild bank onto my main got me banned. No matter how many ss i took and the GM'S i talked to unbanned me, I even presented my lvl 1 char to the gm and told him this is the char that made the gold transfer. U no what he said to me? I am a lier. i sent in the gold receipt from off gamers and no reply. Some of the gm's are in a guild and its not EXODUS. Its a very powerful guild and i dont think thats playing fair especially since the mentioned guild owns more then 3/4 of the territory. I am an honest player and the corruption on pw my disgusts me.

I really cant wait for this game to open up, ill be glad to start over again. Any 1 else out there that had bad experiences?

junk · July 2008

I doubt they will, they're making a point out of how this version will be superior to the My-en one. If they'd start being biased towards a guild or another, they wouldn't see the end of people accusing them of being just as bad. Anyway, I don't care what they do as long as they don't interfere with gameplay (or they do it on the PvE server).

russel · July 2008

Admins here stated that they will be playing the game.
I'm not sure if the admins are in game GM's though.
But I'm pretty sure that the GM's will play as well.

severan · July 2008

on the other MMO the admins had their own guild into which only admins can join and that guild is called a Game Master guild. none of the common players can join the guild (unless untill they're an exception, like a highly ranked forum mod or tester) and this guild is very "Ethereal" they exist but they don't participate in any events or do anything in the game and their guild has a special marking (the guild emblem floats about their head, marking them as "not a normal player").

it's just a symbol to mark the player is a part of the game company. And the rules are strict, Game Masters can "help players" but they should not "give items or money or bias them" in anyway.
if found, the GM is sacked!

i had the privilage to be a member of such guild ^_^ we mostly went around listing bug reports and teaching newbie players how to play and talk about the girl next door and who's in which person's pocket and al that stuff.

seeing as how these admins are, i get the feeling we're in good hands lol

t0yo · July 2008

Yeah I've had several ban threatens for being "Excessively open" on the forums. Ban wise not really. I did meet a gm once in game, I think it was Leode, he recognized me and was like "Hey t0y0!" striding in with his leet gm armour surrounded by fanbois and a random groupie cuddled aI Ignored him and he was like "Hey t0y0 im a gm!" I went passed him and said " its t0yo, Leode" and walked off xD

I know it was assholish of me but one thing I can't stand are close minded people, and those malaysian gms are insane, its a cultural thing though so I try not to take it personally against them

In a post debating whether people would chose PvE/PvP server oranji posted that he's not sure what he's going to play. Now whether that means what server he's going to GM or actually that gms can play /normal player characters/ like the rest of us I'm not sure and I don't really care. At the end of the day it just matters that they do their job. Heck even if temptation gets to them I wouldn't blame them, just as long as they apologize and strive to be better, after all they are humans after all.

Till now the admins I've seen are
Oranji
Xarfox
and the panda admin >_> (sorry I got used to your avatar)

Oranji is the community type of guy, if you don't mind me calling you a carebear ( I hope you don't take offense to it because I deem myself a carebear too) extensive care of the community is what he is into

Xarfox is a typical GM/moderator very level headed and partial

Panda admin seems like the .... wise one of the pack (Not insinuating the rest are stupid, nothing of the sort) it just seems that out of the 3 he is the one that has to view the objective from both sides. More of an in game doer then on the forums

Although even Oranji does that. I mean in one of the pve vs pvp threads he wrote a rant even bigger then mine, and if thats not in depth analyzing I'm a heterosexual ;D

So till now all is fine with them, but then again in PW-MY most of the admins like deamonator were as good as this, then when the game came out *poof* they disappear and **** replacements like Devil and USERMODE submerge

severan · July 2008

t0yo wrote: »

malaysian gms are insane, its a cultural thing though so I try not to take it personally against them

then when the game came out *poof* they disappear and **** replacements like Devil and USERMODE submerge

i went on a pk spree that lasted 4 months (12 hrs a day with 6 Malaysian player kills per minute) because of 1 malaysian player so i understand ^^ and yes they're hypocrites, noobs, #$%#$^ and A-holes, good thing they're banned. *happy dance*

did they have rules like "can't pk the admins?" =( i'd have so loved to waste them

t0yo · July 2008

severan wrote: »

i went on a pk spree that lasted 4 months (12 hrs a day with 6 Malaysian player kills per minute) because of 1 malaysian player so i understand ^^ and yes they're hypocrites, noobs, #$%#$^ and A-holes, good thing they're banned. *happy dance*

did they have rules like "can't pk the admins?" =( i'd have so loved to waste them

You couldn't kill them because they never used normal chars just the gms ones so people would give them attention and suck up for items [Leode was caught giving items to a girl but he quickly banned the guy who poised as the chick with some ToS ********, nobody said anything]

As much as I'd pin the thing on malaysians you can't take a generic stance on the issue. Yes most asians can be friggin annoying in a game but some of the bestest people I met were malaysian. Like Elssie/Windblade Markus-Hell/Hellaia were my bestest friends from pw-my they now lead asura and legacy against immortals. A part of me wishes I could still be playing with them but I just couldn't stand the service

Technically most Americans from my experience in WoW can be just as bad as asians in games. Especially the WoWKids, I love seeing the youtube videos of people making spoilt kids life's misrable I suppose one good thing does come out of it though. Entertainment

severan · July 2008

t0yo wrote: »

You couldn't kill them because they never used normal chars just the gms ones so people would give them attention and suck up for items [Leode was caught giving items to a girl but he quickly banned the guy who poised as the chick with some ToS ********, nobody said anything]

As much as I'd pin the thing on malaysians you can't take a generic stance on the issue. Yes most asians can be friggin annoying in a game but some of the bestest people I met were malaysian. Like Elssie/Windblade Markus-Hell/Hellaia were my bestest friends from pw-my they now lead asura and legacy against immortals. A part of me wishes I could still be playing with them but I just couldn't stand the service

Technically most Americans from my experience in WoW can be just as bad as asians in games. Especially the WoWKids, I love seeing the youtube videos of people making spoilt kids life's misrable I suppose one good thing does come out of it though. Entertainment

i was in a guild with 400 people and 90% of them are from south east asia. among them around 20+ people were malayasians, and there was 1 who earned my friendship and when i grew stronger than him... when he lost a duel tournament (i got a flawless victory) he went MAD and EMO and totally insulted my mom and i gave him a second chance and he insulted my country so i decided to make it a national war, so i picked on everyone from his side of the reign and when they asked me why are you pking us i said his name as the reason. soon he became an outcast... i guess that 1st impression will never change my mind. i just cant stand people who go around calling my mom names, i mean if my mom knew how to play my knight... she'd totally kick anyone's ****.

moral of the story is: don't judge a book by it's cover...

t0yo · July 2008

severan wrote: »

i was in a guild with 400 people and 90% of them are from south east asia. among them around 20+ people were malayasians, and there was 1 who earned my friendship and when i grew stronger than him... when he lost a duel tournament (i got a flawless victory) he went MAD and EMO and totally insulted my mom and i gave him a second chance and he insulted my country so i decided to make it a national war, so i picked on everyone from his side of the reign and when they asked me why are you pking us i said his name as the reason. soon he became an outcast... i guess that 1st impression will never change my mind. i just cant stand people who go around calling my mom names, i mean if my mom knew how to play my knight... she'd totally kick anyone's ****.

moral of the story is: don't judge a book by it's cover...

Totally understand where you're coming from. What I provided was the textbook way to deal with people, nontheless I still hold a bit of racism/prejudist attitude in every day life but I try to not effect me all the time (internet wise)

Most asians take gaming very seriously, they play from a very young age and therefore it becomes one of their major medium of socialization

I know someone is going to pull the "OMG YOU'RE RACIST OR TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING NAWT RIGHT" but there are some things as severan said that effect you for life. If anyone dissed my mother, even on the internet I'd take it very personally T___T I'm a mumma's boi I love her cooking ;D

Oh and btw it wasn't Leode it was Devil who was caught with the fangirl >_> my bad

karmelia · July 2008

I don't think GMs should join player's guild.

One way or another it will stir trouble and suspicion one day, even if they did nothing wrong.

lipe124 · July 2008

To add some cents on topic.

I would actually hope that GM's play the game on normal chars. Now u scream: "zomg they will cheat uber gear and moneys for themselves"
Answer: You can view other players equipment in PW, and the models of the GM gear or rank8 items are kinda hard to hide since they light up like a frekaing x-mas tree.

Maybe taking part in TW would be a bit extreme, but in general enjoying the game shouldnt be an issue.

Consider that being a GM would mean ur going to have to babysit 1000's of immature e-babies that constantly press the "GM" button and ask stuff like "where can i find a ranchoreido ghouls", "some guy pk'ed me ban him plox","omg i sold my CS item that cost me 50000$ to npc by accident, i want it back!!" , "whats fb19" etc etc
Now after a couple of months of this, if I was a GM i'd take the same approach as the my-en gm's and just walk away. At least give the GM's a chance to enjoy the game and not turn it into a freaking annoying customer support day-job for them.

severan · July 2008

t0yo wrote: »

If anyone dissed my mother, even on the internet I'd take it very personally T___T I'm a mumma's boi I love her cooking ;D

i take it serious only when the guy means it... most noobs saying "your mom" to me get ignored or assumed to be a 14 yr old kid with no life, no gf and no mom oh yea!

there are somethings in life money cant buy... (batman bought power that's the max)

p.s. yea i love my mom's cooking too, i take cooking lessons from her, since I'm gonna be a bachelor for the rest of my life.

lipe124 wrote: »

To add some cents on topic.

I would actually hope that GM's play the game on normal chars......

i can already visualize my self flirting with Orinj's Venomancer... he should have never posted that screenshot

lipe124 · July 2008

LOL well we're all gonna try our luck some way or another to get our hands on some GM bootay and CS items XD

xapheret · July 2008

I know all too well about how people feel about a particular guild harboring a GM as a member of their own. It always causes a great deal of trouble and it usually results in mass hysteria when you see World Chat after World Chat of some members of other guilds spamming that some guild is being "fed" by the GM's.

I've had that occurred once on a private server. I had set up the Ascension guild on that server and gathered a lot of interesting people, had about 100 members and level 3 in 1-2 days. Now, one of my Commanders had invited one of the GM's of the server to our guild and it was cool. You'd have to understand that they're players also but they know better, they shouldn't be biased. I already assumed that there would be some complications so I made it clear that the GM would not help in any matters concerning the guild but just be a member, so the other members wouldn't ask for items or help with quests or anything else.

It's good to have a GM in the guild but there's really no point in it since they're obligated to not favor a certain guild as it complicates everything. I'm sure if some of you saw, let's say Oranji, in uh... RageQuit... (yeah, let's go with that), what would you assume? Oranji is automatically labeled as "feeding" RageQuit? See what I mean...

Point is, if they were going to join a guild anyway, they should just have another character with no special items besides what they can get in ID runs, etc. and just play as a normal character, only using the GM character when it's best suited to the situation that they can smite exploiters or evildoers with the ban hammer (player announcing "selling in-game gold for X real life money", botting, etc.). Enough said, GM's would make new characters to accommodate their right to play like everyone else without being weighed down by responsibility and pressure by everyone that think it's wrong to be a GM in a guild.

karmelia · July 2008

xapheret wrote: »

Point is, if they were going to join a guild anyway, they should just have another character with no special items besides what they can get in ID runs, etc. and just play as a normal character, only using the GM character when it's best suited to the situation that they can smite exploiters or evildoers with the ban hammer (player announcing "selling in-game gold for X real life money", botting, etc.). Enough said, GM's would make new characters to accommodate their right to play like everyone else without being weighed down by responsibility and pressure by everyone that think it's wrong to be a GM in a guild.

Problem is that they'll still be GM, even if they would use normal chars. It woould still raise suspicion in the mind of some.

"Guild X won because they have a GM playing with them. He jumped on his GM chars to help them" blablabla...

I still think that them having their own guild (normal or GM chars) would still be the best way to go. And to not have interactions with other players in important matters (events, TW, etc...)

xapheret · July 2008

karmelia wrote: »

Problem is that they'll still be GM, even if they would use normal chars. It woould still raise suspicion in the mind of some.

"Guild X won because they have a GM playing with them. He jumped on his GM chars to help them" blablabla...

I still think that them having their own guild (normal or GM chars) would still be the best way to go. And to not have interactions with other players in important matters (events, TW, etc...)

True but I was stating what I meant based on the prerequisite that they have not and will not tell anyone that they're a GM. I'm sure they'd know not to for sake that they'd not have to put up with the farcical opinions and complaints of other players. But that's just me.

ark · July 2008

The GMs should, during their working hours, have no access to other accounts. After working hours, the GM accounts will be unreachable. This way, a GM can have fun after he's done his work for the day.

orinj · July 2008

facts and personal opinions -

facts -
* gms cannot play during the work day or xarfox and i will fire them
* gms cannot play favorites or xarfox and i will fire them
* gms cannot do favors (give loots/armor/money, rig TW, etc.) without going through an extensive process where each and every action they take is monitored and has to be approved by a manager. if deemed that their actions have interrupted the service and/or the quality of, disciplinary action (also legal action) can and will be used against them
* gms cannot do favors for people. our advanced log system can detect any action taken by any gm. once detected, if deemed that they have interrupted the service and the quality of, disciplinary action (also legal action) can and will be used against them
* gms must service the community/user base while at work or xarfox and i will fire them
* gms must be unbiased and treat the community/user base fairly or xarfox and i will fire them
* gms must use their non-gm characters when playing from home. if they do otherwise, we will know and disciplinary legal blah blah blah u get the point.
* gms while using their normal characters from home are still representatives of PWE.

so unless the gms want to get fired and have legal action taken against them, they will not engage in such unethical behavior(s).

the individuals that we've hired are also individuals of the highest caliber. no shenanigans will take place nor will it be tolerated.

personal opinions-
* i like the game and would like the option to play normally during my off-time with ya'lls
* i do not want be called on to do gm work from home
* i'm uncertain whether i'm going to go by "superman" in-game or hide as "clark". personally, i would like to go by orinj though. it's my handle that i use (have used) for other games and would like to stick with it. but if necessary, i can enter the witness the protection program. we'll see.
* i think it seems a little unfair that people assume that we're going to cheat. but then again, judging by the quality of service you guys describe from the previous joint, i guess i can't blame ya'll.

iunno... been getting to know a lot of you guys via the forums and just thought it be nice to see and play with ya'll in-game ^_^

- O

to t0yo:
you called me oranji (it's ORINJ) = banned
you called me a carebear = double banned
you thought that xarfox and the panda admin were 2 different people = triple banned

jkjkjk, hehehe

blackbird · July 2008

Why are they not able to play during the work? LoL

ark · July 2008

blackbird wrote: »

Why are they not able to play during the work? LoL

Well, I imagine it would be so the GMs wouldn't slack off.

lipe124 · July 2008

Cool post orinj!

I think it would be fun to have a GM vs server event too, maybe GM's should take one terr and we can all go kick their asses in TW :P

xarfox · July 2008

t0yo wrote: »

Till now the admins I've seen are
Oranji
Xarfox
and the panda admin >_> (sorry I got used to your avatar)

Oranji is the community type of guy, if you don't mind me calling you a carebear ( I hope you don't take offense to it because I deem myself a carebear too) extensive care of the community is what he is into

Xarfox is a typical GM/moderator very level headed and partial

Panda admin seems like the .... wise one of the pack (Not insinuating the rest are stupid, nothing of the sort) it just seems that out of the 3 he is the one that has to view the objective from both sides. More of an in game doer then on the forums

I'm the Panda admin right?

In any case. Orinj's post pretty much addressed the issue. We are very serious about the quality of our service. For a GM to be corrupt in any way would destroy not only everything we've promised up until this point, but everything we stand for as a company. I can assure you that no staff member will abuse their position in order to benefit their character, or anyone else's characters in-game. In the very slight chance that this does occur, swift and fierce action will be taken against that staff member, and any inappropriate actions they took in-game will be reversed.

I myself plan on playing Perfect World International under a new ID. The best way to stay in touch with a community is to physically be a part of it. Btw, I'll be playing on a PvP server.

lipe124 · July 2008

xarfox wrote: »

.....The best way to stay in touch with a community is to physically be a part of it.

I was going to say that in an earlier post but I kinda forgot, Xarfox ftw!

I think in many games GM dont have a "feel" for the players problems because they never have problems with money or w/e the case. A big example of this will be hearing from a GM's mouth "what the flying bananans, why does this teleport cost 8k, I can SEE the destination from where I stand!"

karmelia · July 2008

orinj wrote: »

snipped for brievty

It's nice to know what the GM are and are not allowed to do. And that they'll be monitored.

And yes, some of us got kinda burned on the other place.

One GM did something toward one guild. it took many complaints on the forum to have some action taken against the GM... Otherwise I think that GM would still be there (an I'm not even certain he was fired...)

As for GM playing from home, with such strict guidelines, I don't think it will be a problem.

If you play as "Orinj" I wish you luck for not being disturbed. The majority will respect your privacy no doubt, but there will always be some to PM you about this and that, thinking you're a GM 24/24.

Anyway, thanks for sharing with us those infos.

handsomethecarlos · July 2008

orinj wrote: »

Quote trimmed, it was basically Orinj's post about how GMs work

is nice to learn how gm's work

tenkei · July 2008

It seems fairly common practice that GM's have a character they play. Just as it's also pretty common practice that there are many Rules that often quite severe if a GM does something of intentional benefit to their character.

I mean I know GM's and Developers to EQ which I have Ventrilo access to talk to. Some of the best input they get on how to progress the game often come from some John/Jane Doe they come across playing the game on their playable character.

karmelia · July 2008

I would suggest to trim the quote if you only reply with 7 words.

xarfox · July 2008

tenkei wrote: »

Some of the best input they get on how to progress the game often come from some John/Jane Doe they come across playing the game on their playable character.

How can we fully understand the plight of a normal user if we are not normal users ourselves?

lazor · July 2008

OMG admins that are from MY are here? <---- thats my 1 st response. My 2nd response is where were u when i needed u? why didnt u see all my proof that i sent u..my gold was legally bought. I get muted and banned with NO warnings for the simpliest of reasons while others can rant and curse in world chat and then get a warning...but NOOO not me. I get no warning and muted or perma banned or banned for a weeks time. YES im mad and ill never get over what was done to me and ill tell u why. I pride myself on the fact that i am an extremely honest person with the integrety to go up on a GM and tell the truth . I am an "in ur face kinda person" Well the GMS in MY didnt like that i guess. The 1 time i was perma banned The GM wanted me to admit to him that i was botting, OMG!!! i never saw i bot and if i did i wouldnt no it. Besides that i was perma banned for "banker bot" When i pressed the issue i get serveral different answers from GMS. 1 GM told me i was banned for partying with a bot, another GM told me I was the bot, yet another told me i bought illegal gold. Anyway back to my story....I was pressed by the GM to admit to partying with a bot and if i would admit to it he would UN-ban me. I remember staring at these words for what seemed like an eternity, and i understood the magnitude of what was about to occur. MY answer to that GM was " how can i admit to partying wih a bot when i didnt no it was a bot:" his answer to me was "just for that u are permanantly banned" Sure enough the counter stopped ticking and i was forever banned. Now i find out that there is 2 of u over here..what am i suppose to think...

xarfox · July 2008

lazor wrote: »

OMG admins that are from MY are here? <---- thats my 1 st response. My 2nd response is where were u when i needed u? why didnt u see all my proof that i sent u..my gold was legally bought. I get muted and banned with NO warnings for the simpliest of reasons while others can rant and curse in world chat and then get a warning...but NOOO not me. I get no warning and muted or perma banned or banned for a weeks time. YES im mad and ill never get over what was done to me and ill tell u why. I pride myself on the fact that i am an extremely honest person with the integrety to go up on a GM and tell the truth . I am an "in ur face kinda person" Well the GMS in MY didnt like that i guess. The 1 time i was perma banned The GM wanted me to admit to him that i was botting, OMG!!! i never saw i bot and if i did i wouldnt no it. Besides that i was perma banned for "banker bot" When i pressed the issue i get serveral different answers from GMS. 1 GM told me i was banned for partying with a bot, another GM told me I was the bot, yet another told me i bought illegal gold. Anyway back to my story....I was pressed by the GM to admit to partying with a bot and if i would admit to it he would UN-ban me. I remember staring at these words for what seemed like an eternity, and i understood the magnitude of what was about to occur. MY answer to that GM was " how can i admit to partying wih a bot when i didnt no it was a bot:" his answer to me was "just for that u are permanantly banned" Sure enough the counter stopped ticking and i was forever banned. Now i find out that there is 2 of u over here..what am i suppose to think...

What gave you the impression that admins from MY are here?

karmelia · July 2008

lazor wrote: »

OMG admins that are from MY are here? <snipped> Now i find out that there is 2 of u over here..what am i suppose to think...

I think you misread something there.

Take this pill, and go back read the previous messages...

Orinj and Xarfox were never GM on the MY servers.

Will the GMS be playing and joining guilds?

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