Newcomers Read This Before Choosing PvE

devotion
devotion Posts: 0 Arc User
edited July 2008 in General Discussion
I'm not trying to promote the PvP server in this post but what I'm trying to do is give people a different view of the PvP/PvE situation.

-I have to say that you should not make the decision of playing PvP or PvE from someone on this forum. If you are not already totally brainwashed into thinking that the PvP server will be 24/7 gankfest PLEASE try both versions in the closed beta especially if you are new to this game.

-Newcomers have to realize that there isnt a game changing amount of PKing in the PvP server.
Yes, at lower levels you may get ganked but I have leveled 5 characters past 50 and only 2 times I got ganked. Only a very small amount of high level people kill 30's and getting PKed is no big deal. If you are killing a mob, you die and respawn in the nearest town. Once you get to a higher level the PKing isnt as random, if you are getting pked its usually for a reason ie. red named, on KOS list.

Again, these are just my thoughts and i'm not saying PvE is bad and PvP is good. Everyone has their opinions im just trying to help newcomers that havent experienced this game yet make a decision that suits them best. I didnt post these points for them to be argued, so unless im bored I wont argue back.

Also I have a suggestion. The server should not be named PvP/PvE because that may cause a misconception to newcomers thinking that the PvP server will be a Pk fest and that they will not be able to level. I'd suggest naming the servers and having -PK Optional and -PK ON at the end of the names.
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  • ara
    ara Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    I highly support this topic.

    Please test both versions, talk to reasonable people from both versions and make your decision afterwards.
  • sigoh
    sigoh Posts: 341 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    I've been asking around.. whats a KOS list?
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  • ara
    ara Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    KoS aka Kill on sight

    meaning:
    pretty much every PK oriented high lvl guy has people he does not like for some reason (Worldchat flames, whatever), so whenever he sees them, he kills them ("kill on sight")

    If you have rather many of those people, you need a list: KoS-list
  • sealed
    sealed Posts: 781
    edited July 2008
    sigoh wrote: »
    I've been asking around.. whats a KOS list?

    KOS = Kill on Sight

    And devotion instead of being one sided "Newcomers Read This Before Choosing PvE" Why didnt you also include the PK Server?? -.-

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  • devotion
    devotion Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    Oh and let me quote this because SeaWolf wrote an amazing paragraph
    SeaWolf wrote:
    The server is neither going to be as good or as bad as some of you make it out to be.

    The PvP server will probably be similar to Delphi/Oracle. The big guilds will have huge fights with some of the small guilds participating and some other small independent guilds that are generally left alone. Each of the big guilds will have some people that don't PvP much, those that might PvP sometimes, and those that are red name 24/7. You won't get ganked every time you leave safe and most of the time you'll get left alone. Maybe 10% of the time, you'll run into something on the world mission. But a lot of rival guilds leave each other alone because of the whole red name thing. I mean, you can't really camp volume 29 24/7. It may change when everyone is max level and wearing rank 8 equipment but that's so far down the line.

    While leveling, it'll vary. Sometimes, you won't get disturbed for hours. Sometimes, you'll waste the whole XP scroll and some dolls. Your rival guild isn't going to camp you all the time. They need to level up too and farm HH and all that stuff (and even sleep). On the PvE server, instead of fighting with damage, people will just end up trash talking a lot with words. But, hey, they want to cater to a broader audience. Yes, there were many threads in the Malaysia forums about wanting a new PvE server so some people prefer it. It's a completely different server, just like Oracle and Delphi don't interact. I'm sure if there's enough demand, they'll open a 3rd server later, just like the PH version eventually did. On a side note, MY-PH pretty much proves that a PvE server can be successful and have active TW.

    AoE parties will get disrupted all the time on both servers. On the PvP server, guild X just stuns the EP of guild Y's AoE and runs away or just wipes the whole guild Y's party if they're strong enough and guild Y people are mostly afk. Then they come back 5-10 minutes later and does it again until the whole hour is gone. On the PvE server, it'll be with luring mobs.

    I don't really see why people are trying to change the other side's mind, though. After all, the PvP server will have more people into PvP so when you fight someone, that person is more likely to fight back and drop an item than just randomly killing white names and gaining red hours.

    As mentioned before, there's no right and wrong with either server or one is somehow inferior. It's just different, like some people prefer apples and some prefer oranges.
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  • sigoh
    sigoh Posts: 341 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    gotcha..thats what i thought it was but i didnt wanna assume...
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  • karmelia
    karmelia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    sigoh wrote: »
    I've been asking around.. whats a KOS list?

    Kill On Sight.

    Basically, they see you they try to kill you.

    Big guild owning many territories use this threat a lot against smaller guild so they wont try to bid on their lands.

    And in the end you end up with one or two guilds owning all the lands.
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  • devotion
    devotion Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    sealed wrote: »
    KOS = Kill on Sight

    And devotion instead of being one sided "Newcomers Read This Before Choosing PvE" Why didnt you also include the PK Server?? -.-

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    Because I have yet to see someone get persuaded in to joining the PvP server because of all you guys saying that the PvP server will be a gankfest and that will intimidate people that have never played the game.
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  • orinj
    orinj Posts: 460 admin
    edited July 2008
    i like orinjes :D

    and i know you said you're not trying to promote PvP, but wouldn't it be more unbiased if the title read "Newcomers Read This Before Choosing PvE or PvP"?

    sorry, just being nitpicky, heheh.

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  • koz
    koz Posts: 465 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    devotion wrote: »
    Because I have yet to see someone get persuaded in to joining the PvP server because of all you guys saying that the PvP server will be a gankfest and that will intimidate people that have never played the game.


    If RQ is on the server, it will be a gankfest.
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  • devotion
    devotion Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    orinj wrote: »
    i like orinjes :D

    and i know you said you're not trying to promote PvP, but wouldn't it be more unbiased if the title read "Newcomers Read This Before Choosing PvE or PvP"?

    sorry, just being nitpicky, heheh.

    - O

    All the newcomers are being bombarded with people saying that on the PvP server all it will be is people pking each other. I have yet to see someone get persuaded to play PvP
    koz wrote: »
    If RQ is on the server, it will be a gankfest.

    RQ doesnt PK lower levels apparently
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  • koz
    koz Posts: 465 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    devotion wrote: »
    All the newcomers are being bombarded with people saying that on the PvP server all it will be is people pking each other. I have yet to see someone get persuaded to play PvP



    RQ doesnt PK lower levels apparently


    Eh, so they say. I've seen otherwise in Delphi. But it doesn't really matter what level the people are because if I'm questing or zhening I don't want to be ganked. There is plenty of time for pvp when leveling is over.
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  • puppetsoul
    puppetsoul Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    koz wrote: »
    Eh, so they say. I've seen otherwise in Delphi. But it doesn't really matter what level the people are because if I'm questing or zhening I don't want to be ganked. There is plenty of time for pvp when leveling is over.

    And that time is once a week when your opponent alt-guild overbids you with the massive amounts of money they're collecting from not dropping loot in PvP and not having to buy heiros/dolls from RMTers for PvP.

    Well, there's always duel request spamming.

    After the server goes non-profitable they'll merge it into one of the normal servers anyways, so I don't see why this thread matters.
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  • koz
    koz Posts: 465 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    puppetsoul wrote: »
    And that time is once a week when your opponent alt-guild overbids you with the massive amounts of money they're collecting from not dropping loot in PvP and not having to buy heiros/dolls from RMTers for PvP.

    Well, there's always duel request spamming.

    After the server goes non-profitable they'll merge it into one of the normal servers anyways, so I don't see why this thread matters.


    The PVE server will not be unprofitable lol. I know many people who have played a server with and without the pk on/off button and almost all of them including myself prefer to have that option. I'd rather not be using money in the cash shop just to have it wasted by some n00b who ganks.
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  • arcane
    arcane Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    orinj wrote: »
    i like orinjes :D

    and i know you said you're not trying to promote PvP, but wouldn't it be more unbiased if the title read "Newcomers Read This Before Choosing PvE or PvP"?

    sorry, just being nitpicky, heheh.

    - O

    Maybe, but anyone who matters will PvP. Anyone who doesn't, their opinion doesn't matter.
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  • orinj
    orinj Posts: 460 admin
    edited July 2008
    arcane wrote: »
    Maybe, but anyone who matters will PvP. Anyone who doesn't, their opinion doesn't matter.

    unsubstantiated definitive statements ftw!

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  • arcane
    arcane Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    orinj wrote: »
    unsubstantiated definitive statements ftw!

    - O

    Thanks for unneeded confirmation ^^
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  • sealed
    sealed Posts: 781
    edited July 2008
    arcane wrote: »
    Maybe, but anyone who matters will PvP. Anyone who doesn't, their opinion doesn't matter.

    Ohh I will PK, you will regret it too [:<

    And orinj Is aid the same thing-.-

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  • puppetsoul
    puppetsoul Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    koz wrote: »
    The PVE server will not be unprofitable lol. I know many people who have played a server with and without the pk on/off button and almost all of them including myself prefer to have that option. I'd rather not be using money in the cash shop just to have it wasted by some n00b who ganks.

    Their main income source of a server is dolls and heiros (specifically to prevent item loss). If there are no "n00b who ganks" then they'll do very little business outside of AFK parties.
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  • arcane
    arcane Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    sealed wrote: »
    Ohh I will PK, you will regret it too [:<

    And orinj Is aid the same thing-.-

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  • handsomethecarlos
    handsomethecarlos Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    if u dont want to get pked then lvl up faster man
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  • junk
    junk Posts: 209 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    I feel sorry for the poor noobs that think PvE keeps them safer. Enjoy your Zhang at ADC gate 24/7. Also Mardook on the instance port, also 24/7.
  • handsomethecarlos
    handsomethecarlos Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    and....is this game hard to lvl up, just tell me how lvling is byy games, like if its hard to lvl up like maple story or easy to lvl up like flyff, those stuff
    thanks!
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  • mystic
    mystic Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    junk wrote: »
    I feel sorry for the poor noobs that think PvE keeps them safer. Enjoy your Zhang at ADC gate 24/7. Also Mardook on the instance port, also 24/7.

    QFT.

    I'm done expressing my PK/PVE server feelings, but Junk's absolutely right. Even servers with PK disabled there will be griefing - it'll just be killstealing, bosspulling and whatnot.
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  • ark
    ark Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    devotion wrote: »
    I'm not trying to promote the PvP server in this post but what I'm trying to do is give people a different view of the PvP/PvE situation.

    -I have to say that you should not make the decision of playing PvP or PvE from someone on this forum. If you are not already totally brainwashed into thinking that the PvP server will be 24/7 gankfest PLEASE try both versions in the closed beta especially if you are new to this game.

    -Newcomers have to realize that there isnt a game changing amount of PKing in the PvP server.
    Yes, at lower levels you may get ganked but I have leveled 5 characters past 50 and only 2 times I got ganked. Only a very small amount of high level people kill 30's and getting PKed is no big deal. If you are killing a mob, you die and respawn in the nearest town. Once you get to a higher level the PKing isnt as random, if you are getting pked its usually for a reason ie. red named, on KOS list.

    Again, these are just my thoughts and i'm not saying PvE is bad and PvP is good. Everyone has their opinions im just trying to help newcomers that havent experienced this game yet make a decision that suits them best. I didnt post these points for them to be argued, so unless im bored I wont argue back.

    Also I have a suggestion. The server should not be named PvP/PvE because that may cause a misconception to newcomers thinking that the PvP server will be a Pk fest and that they will not be able to level. I'd suggest naming the servers and having -PK Optional and -PK ON at the end of the names.

    Wonderful post - I couldn't agree more.
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  • loddlaen
    loddlaen Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    Wow, this is a disturbing turn of events o.O
    I really need to read up more on the intricacies of this game. Part of the reason I'm looking elsewhere for games is the sheer amount of arseholery on the Scania server in Maplestory. A lot of people play the "I can outdamage you, therefore this gives me the right to ks you at will" card. I have no problems with PKing in a game, just so long as its not something that can be used to prevent me from enjoying myself on a game, say when I'm trying to quest or train.
  • xauss
    xauss Posts: 223 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    silly bias thread pretending to be a fair balanced discussion

    especially after yesterdays tears from the gankers crying that people will have an option to choose what type of server ruleset they want regarding PK

    thankfully having the PK-option server means i wont need to waste my time chasing gankers who gank lowby guildies then run and hide in safe zones regardless of which server i am on... if i play PK-option they can turn on blue-name, and if i am on Perma-PK i assume players are prepared to be ganked and greifed
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  • t0yo
    t0yo Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    koz wrote: »
    If RQ is on the server, it will be a gankfest.


    *slaps* No.
    RQ this time is making sure the TW becomes no Oracle or Delphi with one guild monopolizing it. Primarily we still want to entertain ourselves.
    koz wrote: »
    Eh, so they say. I've seen otherwise in Delphi. But it doesn't really matter what level the people are because if I'm questing or zhening I don't want to be ganked. There is plenty of time for pvp when leveling is over.

    Who were you on delphi? You're not really going to get the chance to PVP at higher lvls besides TW you know the pk option is rarely going to be turned on, on other characters when you see fit
    puppetsoul wrote: »
    Their main income source of a server is dolls and heiros (specifically to prevent item loss). If there are no "n00b who ganks" then they'll do very little business outside of AFK parties.

    Its true. At least from a personal perspective the PvE server is not going to be deemed profitable. It would have to have around 1.5x the amount of cash shop users then Delphi or Oracle to be worth anything


    If I could +1 rep the OP I would

    You guys seem to want to make the PvP server seem worse then it is. Granted we're doing the same xD

    I hope gms include a server battle, that would be so awesome ;D
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  • xauss
    xauss Posts: 223 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    t0yo wrote: »
    ... You're not really going to get the chance to PVP at higher lvls besides TW you know the pk option is rarely going to be turned on...

    ...You guys seem to want to make the PvP server seem worse then it is. Granted we're doing the same xD...

    as far as i have read, no-one has said the perma-PK servers are going to be a gankfest... only noobs asking "is it a gankfest?" and the pro-PK only lobby using it as a rallying call to try and portray the "pro-choice" (LooooooL) point of view seem like evil dictators

    however, the PK-only lobby are now spreading the false rumours that the PK-option servers will have NO PK at all, and that no-one will activate the button. Additionally the anti-choicers now post suggesting boss pulls (zhang / mardook) and KS will happen 24:7 without PK, as if that were true, and as if it doesnt happen on the perma-PK servers....
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  • lena
    lena Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    mystic wrote: »
    QFT.

    I'm done expressing my PK/PVE server feelings, but Junk's absolutely right. Even servers with PK disabled there will be griefing - it'll just be killstealing, bosspulling and whatnot.


    Sounds like it will be another Oracle :D minus the PK of course lol...
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