Classes being unfair?

emerald
emerald Posts: 2 Arc User
edited July 2008 in General Discussion
I would like to ask everyone something..i really want to be a elf archer ecspecailly after seeing their orb bow:D but...in almost every game i played the archers were weak i was wondering if anyone that played this game in another language or country could tell will the archers be weak? Also will venomacer(pet raising class) be weak?thats my 2nd choice:D well please tell me and thank you.

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  • merulz
    merulz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    No, archers are not weak in this game. Venomancer is also a good choice.
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  • olks
    olks Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    i am going to choose the elf archer :D
  • thom
    thom Posts: 387 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    This game and its classes are fairly well balanced. Its more about equips and player skill imo.
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  • junk
    junk Posts: 209 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    The classes are well balanced. If there's any unfairness I could think of, it's that you can get hit with all sorts of awesome surprises if you don't know what you're doing. If you roll a Venomancer, you'll get to 60 and realise you can't join AoE parties. If you roll Archer or Cleric, you hit 60 and realise your best skills need cash shop items to function, with clerics getting pigeonholed into being portable array generators which takes all fun and involvement out of PvE encounters. There's a pretty large discrepancy in class maintenance costs, with Venomancers being self-sufficient, and making tons of money out of rare pets, while Barbarians burn all their money on armor repairs and casters spend a fortune on potions/hierograms.

    Which is why you should put a bit of effort into researching what happens to your class through mid-levels and endgame, more than just build and gear-wise.
  • erado
    erado Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    the above poster is pretty much right...

    but a few things on your classes of choice, archer is kind of hard on low levels, since you have very little mana, youll need lots of potions, or cash items to function decently. It pretty much shines in pvp overall though.

    venomancer as its called here is pretty good in PvE, and quite easy and cheap to play, since you can play lazy if you want, and let your pet do most of the work, including taking hits.
  • karmelia
    karmelia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    erado wrote: »
    venomancer as its called here is pretty good in PvE, and quite easy and cheap to play, since you can play lazy if you want, and let your pet do most of the work, including taking hits.

    That always make me laugh. Let's check a party going for a HH boss....

    So you have this cleric who pop up the blue bubble, go sip a beer and come back when the boss is done.

    Then you have this other cleric who pop up the red bubble, go sip a pepsi and come back when th boss is done.

    Then you have this venomancer who must :

    - make sure his pet stay alive and use the right skill at the right moment.
    - provide his tank with as much fury as possible.
    - attack the boss with the right skill at the right time (armour break, amplify maim, etc...)
    - stay alive when he steal aggro
    - use his regen skill at the right time.

    Yes.. Venomancer is such a lazy job....
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  • sphinx
    sphinx Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    haha yes they are but if you need to make money they might be a good choice
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  • johnnyboi
    johnnyboi Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    Nah the archer in this game i think pretty well round class just u have ur low hp and phy deff not that well cause the armor u use is split with magic and deff. Comin from a archer from other server xD. U may come to some gold problem but as a archer :(.
  • azure
    azure Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    karmelia wrote: »
    That always make me laugh. Let's check a party going for a HH boss....

    So you have this cleric who pop up the blue bubble, go sip a beer and come back when the boss is done.

    Then you have this other cleric who pop up the red bubble, go sip a pepsi and come back when th boss is done.

    Then you have this venomancer who must :

    - make sure his pet stay alive and use the right skill at the right moment.
    - provide his tank with as much fury as possible.
    - attack the boss with the right skill at the right time (armour break, amplify maim, etc...)
    - stay alive when he steal aggro
    - use his regen skill at the right time.

    Yes.. Venomancer is such a lazy job....

    yep you are right VM, i am not a venomancer i have a elf archer but being a venomancer can be hard, you have to lvl up your pet and make sure it is the same lvl as you , and later lvls you'll be stuck not being invited to any parties but soloing all day long which SUXS, but VMs are bad azz later lvl. when i pvp one i have to stay far away from them or their pet could pwn me :D plus u can afk xp with them lol. Go to sleep while your pet does the work all the monsters as to do is hit you :p. check class discussion section on the class you are thinking of. All ways have a plan or build b4 u play or you'll regret it.
    WF also have really nice debuffs , check some youtube video onthem pvping they kick azz
  • sarahbear
    sarahbear Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    So, if I'm an elf archer, and I get to higher levels, do I need to buy stuff from cash shop to be strong? I that's the case... I think I may need to change my choice... I don't have much money to spare to spend on my character. College is expensive!
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  • karmelia
    karmelia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    sarahbear wrote: »
    So, if I'm an elf archer, and I get to higher levels, do I need to buy stuff from cash shop to be strong? I that's the case...

    No you don't. Doing so would make you levelling faster, make your playing easier. But it's absolutely not a requirement.

    For exemple : magic energy and life .

    In the cash shop, you can buy "hierograms" (or whatever name they'll give it here). Those, when the value of your HP/MP reach 50% or lower, kicks in and replenish your HP/MP instantly. Potion can be used, but their effect is slower/ not as strong.

    So someone using those will have an advantage over you, but you can still reach high level without them. It only means you'll not level as fast / die more often / fly and run slower than someone who do use the cash shop.
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  • troll
    troll Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    karmelia is a lying n00b, and is probably trying to seek early advantage over new players.

    if you don't use cash shop you will be weak sauce and easy pickings for any pker, and at higher levels most players will buy things for xp as the xp rate is so low.
  • snaptrap
    snaptrap Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    Don't feed the trolls, especially the ones who are severely loaded with ignorance.
  • troll
    troll Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    OR i'm telling the truth and not listening is to your disadvantage.
  • sphinx
    sphinx Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    troll wrote: »
    karmelia is a lying n00b, and is probably trying to seek early advantage over new players.

    if you don't use cash shop you will be weak sauce and easy pickings for any pker, and at higher levels most players will buy things for xp as the xp rate is so low.

    ah shucks... and I want to feed the troll:p
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  • blaze
    blaze Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    the troll is telling the truth... you definetely need a hiero for PvPing.... and you need dolls.... oh and archers need hieros to AoE grind at 60+... so yea, it's an expensive class. I would suggest you to go for a priest or mage, they are way cheaper to lvl at 60+ and they pwn in PvP
  • junk
    junk Posts: 209 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    priest
    cheaper
    No, they're not.
  • ark
    ark Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    emerald wrote: »
    I would like to ask everyone something..i really want to be a elf archer ecspecailly after seeing their orb bow:D but...in almost every game i played the archers were weak i was wondering if anyone that played this game in another language or country could tell will the archers be weak? Also will venomacer(pet raising class) be weak?thats my 2nd choice:D well please tell me and thank you.

    Nice to meet you guys!

    Your two classes can both be argued as the "Best PKer" in PW.
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  • blaze
    blaze Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    I'd say:

    1. Archer
    2. Mage/Priest
    3. WF
    4. WR
    5. WB

    WFs have problems dealing with WRs and WBs... so I don't really consider them to be one of the best PKers ingame
  • ark
    ark Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    blaze wrote: »
    I'd say:

    1. Archer
    2. Mage/Priest
    3. WF
    4. WR
    5. WB

    WFs have problems dealing with WRs and WBs... so I don't really consider them to be one of the best PKers ingame

    Well, I've been PKd by Myth and Black Venomancers enough to know that they don't have much problem killing Blademasters ;)

    And, on the other hand, everyone has trouble killing WBs :p
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  • toxi
    toxi Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    Im a really acitve PKer with my 93 EA on Delphi. My Equipment is kinda good and my build is pure AGI . I got 95 str to wear the 90 HH Armor, and the rest is pure AGI. 26% Crit Chance, and I can kill WB,WR,WF,EP,EA,MG.... It always depends up on their playstyle/skill. Werebeasts are kinda hard to kill.. I need my Heaven Fury to kill them and 1-2 lucky Crits. But the average HP of a WB is 10k, with Heaven Fury I can crit a maximum of ~7-10k on a WB... soo 1 Crit= hiero tick, 2-3 = dead...
    A really good PK class is the WF. Cause of the Bleed-Bug.. without that bug.. WF would be .. hmm.. "weaker", but WF is still a strong PK class,cause they can debuff etc.. EPs are strong too, cause of their Barrier. It absorbs way too much dmg, for a too long time.WRs are strong, but their dmg and how long they can survive depends 75% up on their Equipment. MGs damage is very high, especially against Heavy/Light Armor, but they are easy to kill.WB hmm.. WB.. the damage is quite low, but they are hard to kill.. cause of their big amount of HP, especially if they're using a Hierogram.
    So:
    Every Class can be good in PK.
    I dont think theres a "best" PVP/PK Class. If you can play your Character well, you can pwn many ppl.
  • ark
    ark Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    toxi wrote: »
    Im a really acitve PKer with my 93 EA on Delphi. My Equipment is kinda good and my build is pure AGI . I got 95 str to wear the 90 HH Armor, and the rest is pure AGI. 26% Crit Chance, and I can kill WB,WR,WF,EP,EA,MG.... It always depends up on their playstyle/skill. Werebeasts are kinda hard to kill.. I need my Heaven Fury to kill them and 1-2 lucky Crits. But the average HP of a WB is 10k, with Heaven Fury I can crit a maximum of ~7-10k on a WB... soo 1 Crit= hiero tick, 2-3 = dead...
    A really good PK class is the WF. Cause of the Bleed-Bug.. without that bug.. WF would be .. hmm.. "weaker", but WF is still a strong PK class,cause they can debuff etc.. EPs are strong too, cause of their Barrier. It absorbs way too much dmg, for a too long time.WRs are strong, but their dmg and how long they can survive depends 75% up on their Equipment. MGs damage is very high, especially against Heavy/Light Armor, but they are easy to kill.WB hmm.. WB.. the damage is quite low, but they are hard to kill.. cause of their big amount of HP, especially if they're using a Hierogram.
    So:
    Every Class can be good in PK.
    I dont think theres a "best" PVP/PK Class. If you can play your Character well, you can pwn many ppl.

    You have to admit, though, that Archers have a nice advantage as far as PKing goes...
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  • karmelia
    karmelia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    blaze wrote: »
    the troll is telling the truth... you definetely need a hiero for PvPing.... and you need dolls.... oh and archers need hieros to AoE grind at 60+...

    Not everyone is into PvP.

    And AoE is not mandatory to level either.
    Frankieraye said : "we can promise that we will work to improve all facets of community, engineering, and customer service to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again."


    (We are still waiting to see any improvements or changes beign implemented. More empty promises from PWI?)
  • ark
    ark Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    karmelia wrote: »

    And AoE is not mandatory to level either.

    Quite true. Butterflies and fishing will get you from 70-90 faster than AoE if you're an Archer/Wizard/Cleric/Venomancer.
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  • dristan
    dristan Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    Mind if I ask if that was a sacastic remarc? While those could be the names of mobs that does also sound like you where just saying "yeah right".
  • ark
    ark Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    dristan wrote: »
    Mind if I ask if that was a sacastic remarc? While those could be the names of mobs that does also sound like you where just saying "yeah right".

    I was completely serious. ::p
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  • sarahbear
    sarahbear Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    blaze wrote: »
    the troll is telling the truth... you definetely need a hiero for PvPing.... and you need dolls.... oh and archers need hieros to AoE grind at 60+... so yea, it's an expensive class. I would suggest you to go for a priest or mage, they are way cheaper to lvl at 60+ and they pwn in PvP

    PvP includes TW, right? Because I'm actually really excited about that. I won't be doing my PKing either, unless I feel the need to. :D
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  • emma
    emma Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    and everyone forgot to mention that you can buy the cashshop items off other players >_> meaning you can still do everything just as well if you don't spend real money..just have to work harder to get ingame gold to buy it unless you have a nice cash shop buying friend ;)
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  • blaze
    blaze Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    Dunno about your aoe parties but I outlvled most of my clanmates+rivals while AoEing from 70-90 :3

    Well I agree, killing the fishies is fast too, but who wouldn't like to go afk while lvling? :D



    BTW are you emma from PW EU? ._.
  • splice
    splice Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2008
    :eek: is that toxicity from espada?
    if u r then nice to see u here. maybe we dont have to be enemies here ^^
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