What killed activity the most

too many old ppl playing this game, especially at CODE in dw.
greetings stricken (da)

I never wanted to be a member of a faction/guild that is discriminating others for their gear or weapon. I know if I was a member I also have to stay on an AFK spot if I have other things to do. Instead I just turn my computer off. But about the high level gear: if you check the factions you will notice many alts, making it easier to get the items and coins. Hell, on my server there are factions that only have characters from 1 player. Cool to have 7+ clients active and less cool that this game is too important. (Go do your laundry first lol)
As for the gear: if you start a new character you will get 2x EXP right at the start. Within a week you should be demon/sage if you play 2 hours per day, Then the fun starts: you have to be RB1 and RB2 within the last 3 weeks for some free items and if possible you need to spend some coins. R8 is possible within a week (tested) so no need to hurry for the G17 gear. Note: if you use your creditcard you can buy a pack (only within the first 4 weeks) to make you armor RR8 of get the stuff to upgrade your LVL17 homestead weapon. Is it needed? No!
If people really want you to have G16/17 THEY need to work for you. Then again, why should anybody be in a hurry for the G16/17 gear. It's not needed in normal quests but only for PK to see who's got the largest 'sausage". Wow, the fun some people have with this "old game".
As for the activity: even with the new quests people only do the thing they need. No need to be a member of a faction (when most - alts- are not online or not active) unless you want to be in a boost squad. Better to ask for help using world chat. There are always people who want to help and they are not the "kids" who want you to level up your gear. And the best part of it all: you can do anything you want because the PWI game is just to have some fun. There is no reason to play because others want it.

people being lazy does not help
free r8 if willing to work for it
free qsm mats when doing fsp to upgrade to qsm gear later
easy way to get g17 armor
like 3 caves that give g17 weapon mats

.........someone should make videos showing how easy alot of the game is

darkv0id wrote: »

Far more young people playing than old! The old understand you have to work toward getting things you want, the young expect it to be given to them, so either they use their parents credit card, or they quit!

yep on old lol veiw good advice

First of all the game is not newbie friendly as it should be for how the game is "progressing"(of course I will not gonna compare leveling now and back then). Only OG players are keeping the game going, ARC should be grateful that these players are still in the game. But nope, they are not...

Second of all it is paradox, but the same playerbase is responsible for this game to slowly dying. The richest are playing in their big boxes ignoring everything what is happening around them, everybody else maybe complains, but to the wrong channels, or between players. Not enough.

Third of all.. and this makes me personally very happy.. will be the new update with g18 armor. The dungeon you can´t nuke, you need 10 people with high lvl gear/time/will to learn.. Everybody saw how much materials you need for this new armor/helm/necklaces.. at this stage of the game, It will slooowly die, because you will not farm 1 year for richest players on the server. This is just not sustainable for basic population with work/family/partners. We all have people who wants to progress as much as possible without need to look how much money they waste ... lets just say 5-6 hardcore cashing people.
This is not TT 4-1,4-2. There will just not be enough resources to make only one piece of armor for one person for half a year at least.. and the T E M P E R I N G of the armor(same as g18 weapon.. richest will not care of course but farmers... GG) You would need to ride the dungeon few times a day, with rock solid squad to make it in a few months(one piece of armor).. good luck with that. This will just not make you happy. All other people will not gonna care about the game even more, because with a new update there will be content only for richest people(I´m not gonna talk about the new g18 helmet, where you will need 6 Moon Stone of Punishment + new type of item, with half the % to get it as moonstone, amazing is it not?). You think g17 will become more cheaper or expensive? The new dungeon will become a gold mine for farmers, because they will dictate the price for super rich. Who exactly is going to farm 4-2, how many farmers of this dungeons will stay when the new dung arrives? Can 7-10 solo 4-2 (with 9 alts) hard farmers keep the materials flow as "smoothly" as today? I really don´t think so.

Im giving you a question... you are ordinary pwi player with a lot of experience. What exactly from: super endgame dungeon/new super cash grab packs(new items)/ +4att/def gems/ newest necklaces only 2 people on the DA got(you have no chance to got it)/amazing new helmet which will be impossible to get(better start opening packs now to save some Moonstones) is going to keep you in the game after the next update?

Thank you for correcting me on the moonstones.. and it is absolutely horrendous. The death even for the richest.

What boggles my mind is the fact that those people behind our version of PWI didn´t saw the potential the game had. This game passed the test of time that is for sure, and we all gonna agree on that. What tied up their hands to keep the website/game/spend,promos active, change the rules so players can look forward to it( look at russian PWI site and see what we all missing.. the team behind the curtains/at least 4 new events from china which are already rotating on russian version/ and some great new spend/promos not this old ****).

Did nobody at the headquarter discussed about the game.. how so many people love/play and can spend fortunes on it just for fun the game provides for them? How can someone have their heads shoved so deep in the as* that you don´t even try to revive it, make some little changes, push the team to promote the game, make something fun with it so players can see you are trying. What is this even?? You keeping the horse alive just to see it suffer? What a masochists this game team. If you can´t do anything, just shut it down for good, don´t milk the clueless players more just for your sake or sell it to other game company .. the real business man can see it as a challenge and maybe they will fail, but no one can then say it was waste of time... because what are you showing us here is just foolishness.

And for the said news... who thought that having no news for a month is good idea? Pick a random from the server, give them webmaster rights so he can keep the news updated (because the shop was updated regularly). Will do better then ignoring the community, and what is left of it. Jesus Maria this is just nasty company.

The original posted of this topic sounds like he found a terrible guild to join in. I also had my share of several bad guilds in Da, but i also this year found 2 good guilds where my g12 under 8k hp toons have been accepted, cared for and people have treated me with respect, where it has been a pleasant time to be in. Which is actually what motivates me to log in Da server and do my dailies there on toons i've had for probably 8 years now but never logged.

My advice to everyone who is low geared, non rb and new - look for newbie/returning player friendly guilds. Ofc the guilds like Reunion which are endgame will look for endgame people to join them...

I play on Tideswell and i gotta tell you, it is a very small community. What i've noticed is that people stop playing because of REAL LIFE. Yeah, that's right. It's that thing that happens that takes your attention and focuses it away from the game. Some people had RL issues with relatives, health issues, family issues, some happily got a spouse or a baby. Some were too busy with work. People grew up and got lifes. It is normal. They all quit the game and i only learned about these things from their friends or themselves after many years by chance.

The few i know who quit because of the game, quit because they didnt like the rat maze this game is. The old timers just cant grasp the idea that they will never be endgear, because the endgear always keeps changing and upgrading. Every piece of gear becomes outdated at some point.

The newbies are usually 3 situations - 1st CASH SHOP and get op and quit 2 weeks after they reach OP lvl of gears and do some actual PVP and dont lose. 2nd option - become lost and overwhelmed, scared of all of the upgrading, farming, power gap and gear gap between the OPs and them as starting players and amount of work and years needed to catch up without spending a lot of money... so they quit. 3rd optioin are those who just lose interest in the game because it's boring to them. These are the really young kids, who need everything to be fast...

The returning players quit because they feel so completely lost, behind, like they need to put way too many months to just be " average" then they used to be super duper strong before.... The x2 exp/vit is enough enough.

Having alts in this game has always been how people made money, the alts are what fills -must have this and this class- dungeons squads, lets you enjoy the game again - by experiencing all the pve and pvp on a new toon /new skills and what helps to drive the economy in the game, because more toons need gearing and even OP people might want to gear their alt so they will actually drop some of their wealth to the other players.

The Devs and Publishers absolutely are to blame for the decline of players. On the side of Devs - they dont seem to understand that New and returning players need not only double the amount of exp/vitae but also double the amount of rewards from bh, daily dungeon char bound rewards, hs rewards and all else the game has to offer. Damn even x3 times more, why not x4? Give the returning players a reason to be excited they're back in the game and to farm more and learn the new dungeons.... speaking of new dungeons, the reason why the new dungeons are so stupid hard is because people who are OP and have OP computers can log in 10 clients and solo the old dungeons. I remember when people used to solo TT 3-3 in a 6 alt sq. I believe this is why the new dungeons punish people so much, also why the new char bound daily rewards are so good. The g17 weapon daily in MWT and DUP/UPD is a beautiful thing. SO MANY people farm those dungeons for those "free" and guarantied mats for g17 weapon which is great. Many years ago people on Da used to farm QSM for the slaying lvls weapon which was great for pve. These are the kind of things that the playerbase enjoys, however, we get so few of. To obtain g17 armors you only can buy it. You cant get it by farming in a squad with random people, because any valuable drops get sold out and coins get split. There has to be more char bound rewards/dailies as a bonus for completing the dungeons.

My gripe with the devs is how they dont improve quality of life, how they dont listen to the playerbase, how they keep pushing the game in more pay to win direction. How they keep removing ways to make silver coins so the new and old players are stuck low on coins and cant learn their skills. How they dont fix bugs which have plagued the game for years and really need fixing.

My gripe with the Publishers is how they milk the playerbase without doing even the bare minimum.

= We dont have a Game Master who reads the world chats, who punishes the insane world chats during xNW for example. Who actually bans the people who HEAVILY abuse the game. Sorry my guys, but 2 weeks or 2 months even temporary ban will not do, for those who made billions and billions of a glitch and spead the information to others, affected the whole economy of the server and ruined the market. A GM that listens to the playerbase, talks to the playerbase is NEEDED, but the new publishers have yet to find it within them to hire one such persona.
= We have no actual news, patch notes are not posted on forums like before, the lack of updates is disheartning, the lack of communication, the fact that the current SPEND GOLD PROMOS STILL OFFER USELESS IU/999 ENTRY ITEM AS A REWARD is both laughable and depressing beyond belief. This shows us the publishers just coppy/paste and dont give a f*ck about the playerbase, the game, the cash cows... nah, they just want money!

Many years ago, when i started playing, it was close to the game anniversary. There were codes with timed fashions, event golds and other stuff that were useful. This was many years ago. I miss the winter snowmen events, the anny events, the events for every little holiday.... Now we get x2 drops if we are lucky. This is not an event. This is just a farming opportunity to make coins or gears. An event is supposted to be fun. Farming is boring.

auzumaki2020 wrote: »

Game is alive and if some People left doesn't mean game died. For new players the game literally provide them with full help if they followed the quest line of anecdote which has all main quests player needs till rb2 lv100. By the time players reached that point they supposed to meet already experienced players by joining factions or meet them in bh100 who can provide them with extra tips of how to make money in pwi today's life . And to make money you have billion ways from making alts and do bhs only to hs to merchant and list goes on. As for building teams you can either try daily your luck and meet new players or become friend with people who usually play same time as you which end you with having maybe 1 to 6 or more players ready to join your squad on same time everyday .

To this i need to add that there is the newcomer event, that provides you for milestones with very useful gifts. For the Hero treasure you need to spend money or buy gold from people, but it is very cool and helpful event. It gives you all the Reputation that you need for your endgame gear, that you only need to farm doing EU and FSP, or buy directly with the Key from the Hero Treasure. Then there is also an event that is for returners, which gives a lot of good stuff as well. But in contrast to the beginner event, it does not give the bell of garment and dragon tamer lasso for free, as it is a Hero treasure. So it is indeed worth to start or come back now. Everything else can be done as explained above.

sakti#1598 wrote: »

Or maybe we will soon be announced that the servers are being closed?

I can say the game is not closing down as of posting this message, We will be getting new updates but no time has been confirmed yet for this yet. (SoonTM comes to mind) The game has not been in the best possition for a while now. With everything going on I have hope that "May/Could" change that point.

Im waiting feedback on a lot of whats been said as an overview to this thread so we will see where that goes. I feel what the community has been saying for a while and ive raised this over and over.
Really time will tell and I cant wait to share the feedback with you all!

Thanks.

well if you want everyone to leave on their own to avoid lawsuits why keep poping out content as a developer? It doesnt make any sence. If you want people to leave on their own you stop giving them new content.As for the publisher its fairly easy for them to keep the game going since it requires minimal to almost no effort to maintain. What this game's publisher has over other games that have been in maintenance mode for a long time and then finally closed is that it doesnt need to build anything from scratch anymore or even ask for customized content you just copy paste what China offers.So its basically even less then a private server has to do since those need to customize their versions.All this publisher needs to do nowdays for the most part is keep the servers running(hosts) make the weekly maintenance happen and provide customer service.That's it. A private server ran by 3 people can do that.
PWChina opened a new start over server, Perfect New World was in beta so the brand itself isnt going anywhere any time soon.Meaning this publisher has no reason the even consider closing the game since they still make money with minimal effort.Have to be really dumb to refuse money even if its not as much as it used to be when you barelly need to lift a finger for it.

As for changes that can be done to the game people need to realize that customization for this version is out of the question were way past that point now.We just need to accept whatever changes happen in China good or mostly bad so stop asking for DQ , tiger events and other stuff long gone.It wont happen.

Theres only 2 things people can hope for:

1. Fast and easy solutions that dont require a huge amount of work meaning work with what you got no new customized content whatsover.Things like changes to boutique , event gold , 2x exp , codes and yes a server merge.Its amazing how a server merge still hasnt happened.It does have its technical difficulties but nothing it cant be done.It's baffling to see how they fail to realize that a server merge would fill their pockets more , even if it is only for a short while. You dont have to be a management genius to figure that out.It's trully amazing.Competition creates revenue its as easy as that.Even China realised that with all their playerbase not to mention other games.

2.Players taking charge and make the game more enjoyable on their own. What killed activity the most in recent years was the playerbase itself.Everyone still playing up to that point had to have realised where the game was heading or where it already was for a while. It has always been p2win there were no signs of involvement from the staff in anything anymore: in game , forums you name it. Theres to much to list that they did wrong. We all saw they werent giving a flying squirrel :> and only a few naive ones kept playing hoping it will change one day. So the people left up to that point knew what to expect and it was still a considerable amount of people left.So what happened? Well for some RL happened people got married had kids work and so on. For others it was other games better ones newer things or people just got tired of chasing gear or sky lvls they can never obtain beeing to far behind to the whales.It happens in all games except a select few, some even older then pw that knew how to keep their players hooked.This game failed that long time ago.

But like really recently it was the lack of players organizing themselfs into factions.You can blame the developers and publishers for alot of things but here the players themselfs failed bigtime .Say what you want yes you can play the game alone and ''enjoy'' questing and dailies and be full pve, you can consider xNW to be the pinnacle of this game or a faction with 5 active people to be enough. But to me TW ,dragon conquest and even random faction pks were what kept this game going for so long.Thats were the real fun was and thats how people competed with each other , thats what made them try to improve most , spend money and play.And while that is still going on on some servers like Da and Et but even there only to a point , the other 2 are a mess.There are no fun TWs people are so divided into different factions that every tw is a one sided roll thats if anyone even shows up or even bids anymore.Huge power gaps between factions.Theres no pk not even in NR anymore maybe at sarokan sometimes. And why ?

Because people cant let go of dramas that happened years ago and band together in one faction to opose the other and only somewhat big faction left. Instead everyone went to their lil corner and stayed there.And nobody willing to take charge and change that.Theres so many players i know just waiting for that to change.People on stand by if you will. That choose other games or went to private servers because the leaders of their factions did nothing except hold grudges refusing to let go of dramas and band together and make TW, pk and even SVS fun again.Those people dont expect pwi to make changes they know very well they wont.They just want fun pvp.They would return if they saw a change in a blink of an eye.And thats were you need to aim get people to come back.There will never be a influx of new players game is to old and broken for that to happen so the best you can do is try to get the people who left back and if the game staff doesnt the players who control factions could by making it at least somewhat fun.Its in their power to do so.Let go of grudges.Let go of your faction even if its 10 years old. Stop beeing a ''PVE'' faction in 2024 you've done pve for 15 years try something new while you still can its for the greater good take the people that are still left there with you and merge.Its not the name of a faction that makes a faction its the people in it. If we dont get a server merge the least we can do is merge factions , try to get people to return and still have fun for a while.Hoping for massive measures from the game staff is pointless. Its up to us.