Crown of Madness -> Crown of Apex Chienkun Stones?

+12 JoSD is around 700(?) chienkun? Not sure on the number...it might be lower. But it would be around a billion coins minimum for something that gives 0 noticeable benefit to anything except for the fact that the devs were too lazy to program in a set bonus for the upgraded cloaks.

I'll probably just re-refine mine given the fact that I already have way too many useless +10/+11 orbs in bank. Luckily I got my +12 on the first try so I won't lose too much. But not sure if I have enough +11's to do it a 2nd time. Others may not be so lucky...especially if they sharded JoSD. The cost is ridiculous.

blazerboy wrote: »

Imo upgrading the helmet is worthless until you can get ATLEAST the 3rd cast g17 cape. The sheer cost in chienkun alone is much imo

The issue is that there isn't supposed to be a chienkun cost in the first place. We shouldn't be expected to pay that much money for absolutely 0 change to our character.

For every other piece of equipment, if you pay a billion coins for a transfer, you get slightly stronger. PWI is just ignoring the issue atm because they know they can just extort money from the people who've already spent billions buying a CoM and upgrading it to +12 JoSD.

It's basically PWI telling us, "pay us this much or we will take away 10 attack levels from your character".

I actually held off refining/sharding my crown until the apex was available just to not have that chienkun cost, so feels bad for whoever had a com refined/sharded beforehand

When I asked the devs this exact question back on 5/23 this year when it came up -

I have a question about the Arigora Colosseum upgrade for the Crown of Madness, Crown of Appex.

Can players transfer shards and refinements with Chienkun Stones, or do they lose shards and refinements when upgrading? And does this apply to other upgrades such as the rings and capes?

Thanks in advance for your time!

And the response from CN was -

The shards and refinements can be transferred by Chienkun Stone.

So as far as I'm aware and what they've told me -yes shards and refines are transferable, but it sounds like its through Chienkun stone use.

Hope this helps!

Ah I was just posting this because it seemed (?) as if people were having confusion as to if they was a Chienkun Stone transfer or not, so wanted to confirm this was a thing. I didn't have the merit to check this at the time, so I had to ask them.

I'm honestly not sure why that's a thing @blazerboy but I'm glad that they didn't make it to where it got rid of everything, no matter what without any way to preserve it. Probably one of the many things I can ask them about.

kalystconquerer#0876 wrote: »

Ah I was just posting this because it seemed (?) as if people were having confusion as to if they was a Chienkun Stone transfer or not, so wanted to confirm this was a thing. I didn't have the merit to check this at the time, so I had to ask them.

I'm honestly not sure why that's a thing @blazerboy but I'm glad that they didn't make it to where it got rid of everything, no matter what without any way to preserve it. Probably one of the many things I can ask them about.

Here's the situation with the Crown of Madness though. The COM has a set bonus that gives +10 attack levels when combined with Wings of Ascension. The new upgraded arena cape does not have this set bonus, which means that upgrading the gear actually results in a downgrade for your character. It's really un-intuitive.

"Upgrading" the helm without upgrading the cape first does absolutely nothing and gives no stats or any benefit at all.

In order not to get weaker after upgrading your gear, you're forced to upgrade CoM into the exact same helm, except with the set bonus removed and +10 attack levels manually added to Crown of Apex. If you have *any* other helm in the game, you don't have to do this.

What the devs should have done is to keep the set bonus intact when upgrading the cape. But instead they decided to remove the set bonus, while at the same time forcing players to pay to remove the set bonus. It's just ridiculous and a big slap in the face to players who decided to spend big money on PWI to invest in their characters.

The only reason this isn't a bigger issue is because only a very few players have a CoM, which means it only affects the major cash shoppers/merchants.

I think CN must have updated the recipe at some point before it arrived here but I'm not sure when. When the content was first added to PWCN I remember that recipe having no Chienkun cost (though I can't rule out me making a mistake). There is also now a Chienkun cost in transferring engraving and I think that's new too.

@kalystconquerer#0876 I think we also need even more aggressive Chienkun sales to put us on par with PWCN. In PWCN a Chienkun is the same price as a lv1 dragon orb but in PWI level 1 dragon orbs are worth like 0.06 gold on sale while an on sale Chienkun was only recently lowered down to 0.225 gold. Maybe 0.1 gold would make more sense. ​​

teabagg wrote: »

look if you can afford to buy r9 and + it to death and other stones and ornaments and + those to death...uhhhh you shouldnt be complaining about anything since your like full of cash..just get a little more student loan or a new credit card it will help.

I know this issue doesn't affect poor people like you, but coins aren't the issue here, the issue is that the game is trending towards tacking on extra charges because they know customers will pay for it.

In this case the helm was originally free-transfer but some exec somewhere decided that even recasts that don't provide an upgrade should have high transfer costs. It would be the same as if they suddenly required chienkuns for recasting G16 gears in warsong (which probably would affect you).

How many need chienkun on upgrade new Helm ? And why CN use chienkun on to