Cross server TNF

sin20
sin20 Posts: 237 Arc User
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So what happened with xserver TNF?
I dont recall seeing any news about it lately and this is one of main contents from 2 updates ago and its still broken for us (5-6 months?) , i get you were busy with new update and testing for bug fixes and all that but you said china wants us to have it in seasons so whats the newest plan about it , can we get some info if we will get it at all?
@kalystconquerer#0876

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  • blazerboy
    blazerboy Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    If this is implemented please make two events with one being EU based and one NA based at like 8pm PDT wouldn't be too bad unless someone can state a better time for both east and west cost players. We all know pwi cross server track record it's designed agianst us Western world players. If there's only one and it's cross server you best believe DA will own that because most of us can't even show up for it during work hours X_X and to deny us a chance at dragonic essences would just be GG
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  • patupapa
    patupapa Posts: 39 Arc User
    At this point. nearly a year later... I'd say, forget about it. PW wont make it happen, just like xNW. It wont happen.
  • kalystconquerer#0876
    kalystconquerer#0876 Posts: 1,421 Perfect World Employee
    It's not broken, it's actually more of a situation where CN wants us to manually run seasons and gave us a version specific NPC that we have to manually turn on and a whole separate ticket we have to send out to players. The CN version is still in the game technically, but they didn't set it up to work.

    So in that sense you could say it is "broken", but I have to figure out a way to run a "tournament season" that makes it fair for entry. Last time we discussed this with them, they want 3 month intervals so that CoM's would not flood the servers.

    What I could do is try it their way and see how players receive it. If it's not working out too well or it has too much room for error, we can ask them if there's any other possible way to do this than what they have provided for us.

    There was something noted down in the current expansions' testing documents that talked about making sure there wasn't a conflict with xNW (?), but I never asked for clarification. We had a timeslot potentially penciled in that should not cause any conflicts (and one I had asked about if there would be a potential issue with it and not recieving too much bad feedback about it) but admittedly between xTnF inquires and having a back and forth with them on other version specific features we'd like to see that players have been looking for, we haven't approached them again about this topic.
  • sin20
    sin20 Posts: 237 Arc User
    Well its nice to hear at least some news about it to see its not being forgotten.

    @kalystconquerer#0876

    Now i see 3 problems here :
    1st:
    Imo what china thinks about 2 many CoMs flooding the servers , im not sure they realize amount of CoMs there are per our servers , just on DA i know so many ppl that got a CoM and the number just increases so 1 CoM weekly per 4 servers isnt much at all seeing how each server gets proly 1-3 coms weekly minimum (even more on good pack/key sales which happen really often).
    I think your should try to explain them this point so they realize it.

    2nd problem here is actually the main reason we want xTNF isnt even the CoMs , heck they can even remove it from rewards and majority of the player base woudnt complain ( ofc there is always someone who will).
    The reason we want and need it is g17 mats , ZENITH SKULLS AND DRACONIC ESSENCES , it just gives us access to more of them potentially and thats the why we need them badly , if you look at it we missed out on like 6months of xTNF minimum and thats potentially a lot of zenith skulls and draconic essences and its hurting us badly on our progress to make the weapons.

    3rd problem here is our player base for the event, from what i see from previous events and updates the amount of ppl that will potentially go to xTNF will be 2 low , like on homestead arena we are unable to reach 2.6k and 3k point rewards simply because we lack the number of ppl to do the arena and be able to reach higher rewards , max we can reach is 2.3k because it was designed for china's playerbase.
    Since you said you are looking into working it out so we can get it eventually i think this problem should also be addressed and prevented before it reaches the point where event will go to live servers.
    We will need way more of our ppl per server to be able to enter xTNF , that would mean proly all from gold + plat + diamond per each server to actually have some competition on xserver and since its designed that based on number of ppl that enter it the amount that progress to next room gets cut in half.
  • keihan007#7641
    keihan007#7641 Posts: 1,190 Arc User
    Just bump the rewards in normal tourney as there is no way you can schedule xtourney in a reasonable time for Americans. It would be pretty **** up situation where 1 server would gain access to G17 mats while other 3 would be screwed because of timezone. Knowing PWE its gonna be 8pm EU time on a Thursday - Have fun participating if you arent European.
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  • patupapa
    patupapa Posts: 39 Arc User
    kalystconquerer#0876 wrote: »
    It's not broken, it's actually more of a situation where CN wants us to manually run seasons and gave us a version specific NPC that we have to manually turn on and a whole separate ticket we have to send out to players. The CN version is still in the game technically, but they didn't set it up to work.

    So in that sense you could say it is "broken", but I have to figure out a way to run a "tournament season" that makes it fair for entry. Last time we discussed this with them, they want 3 month intervals so that CoM's would not flood the servers.

    What I could do is try it their way and see how players receive it. If it's not working out too well or it has too much room for error, we can ask them if there's any other possible way to do this than what they have provided for us.

    There was something noted down in the current expansions' testing documents that talked about making sure there wasn't a conflict with xNW (?), but I never asked for clarification. We had a timeslot potentially penciled in that should not cause any conflicts (and one I had asked about if there would be a potential issue with it and not recieving too much bad feedback about it) but admittedly between xTnF inquires and having a back and forth with them on other version specific features we'd like to see that players have been looking for, we haven't approached them again about this topic.

    Nice to know u guys are still talking, and evaluating xNW and xTnF....

    1 year talking about xTnF... :)
    A bit more than a year, talking about xNW...

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  • catgirldesu
    catgirldesu Posts: 993 Arc User

    The main problems are...

    1. Players want the G17 weapon materials from the xTNF not the CoMs, so if CoMs are a problem simply ask China to remove them from the rewards. (Some may want the CoMs but really it's all about the G17 weapon materials.)

    2. We have multiple time zones so cross-server TNF can end up being a problem; potentially resulting in one server having an easier time farming G17 weapons than others. This consequently can cause further imbalance in xTW, Colosseum etc. Increasing current TNF's rewards and scrapping xTNF might be the better choice.

    3. Our player base is smaller than PWCN's. We don't have as many squads farming UP, TNF etc. so the amount of G17 materials on our servers is lower. China wants weapons to take a while to farm, but they forget (or are not aware? don't realise?) we can't farm at the same rate as Chinese players do.

    4. Since G17 weapons are too hard to get, our meta is not what China expects it to be. Any current or future "re-balancing" patches can potentially have negative effects in our version as a result.

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  • sin20
    sin20 Posts: 237 Arc User
    catgirldesu wrote: »

    The main problems are...

    1. Players want the G17 weapon materials from the xTNF not the CoMs, so if CoMs are a problem simply ask China to remove them from the rewards. (Some may want the CoMs but really it's all about the G17 weapon materials.)

    2. We have multiple time zones so cross-server TNF can end up being a problem; potentially resulting in one server having an easier time farming G17 weapons than others. This consequently can cause further imbalance in xTW, Colosseum etc. Increasing current TNF's rewards and scrapping xTNF might be the better choice.

    3. Our player base is smaller than PWCN's. We don't have as many squads farming UP, TNF etc. so the amount of G17 materials on our servers is lower. China wants weapons to take a while to farm, but they forget (or are not aware? don't realise?) we can't farm at the same rate as Chinese players do.

    4. Since G17 weapons are too hard to get, our meta is not what China expects it to be. Any current or future "re-balancing" patches can potentially have negative effects in our version as a result.

    ​​

    Yea i agree with all points u listed.

    1st we need G17 wep mats not coms from xTNF.

    2nd it would probably be best if our TNF version rewards were buffed since if xTNF is based on EU timezone majority of NA ppl wont be able to attend and if its based on NA timezone 80% of EU players base cant attend.
    Only thing that could work is if they put it on sunday and that could maybe work.

    3rd is imo one of the biggest problems we are facing since every update since we got homestead monster arena and from what it seems every future update that we will get.
    Every new event we get from new updates is based on player base ever since we got TNF.
    -To maximize amount of rewards that can be won the event needs to be full of players like lets say TNF if i recall correctly its 320 ppl max , from what i see there is maybe 200-250 ppl max and that limits amount of ppl that can progress to top rooms and get top rewards since its based on half of ppl per room can proceed.
    -Now lets look at homestead monster arena because its also based on amount of ppl that participate in it we can reach maybe only 2.3k point reward , 2.6k and 3k point rewards are impossible to get simply because its designed for chinas player base and its possible for them to get it but not for us because we lack players.
    -And also colosseum arena is designed like that , more teams that participate and by winning teams boost their score to get higher rewards , there is no total amount of arigora coins for whole player base that attends but its for amount of ppl that participate and then rewards are given by score , to put it simple if we had double amount of players it would boost our rewards considerably but we lack that since we dont have same player base as china.

    4th this is a no brainer really and thats hurting us a lot.

    So from all this we can see that with every update we get new features that are designed for bigger player base which hurts us way more then most ppl realize, and we would really need event rewards scaled down for our player base.
  • blazerboy
    blazerboy Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    @catgirldesu for the most part I don't think anyone cares about TnF for a chance at CoM if I'm wrong than anyone feel free to correct me just as cat said. If anything the dragonic essences is a problem 1 per month or 1 tradeable every 4 months it's terrible for CSers and Farmers. I recall even asking a friend how much would you say someone should sell one he said atleast 3-4b out of 13!? Come on.

    The problem with TnF being cross server is they will make it completely favoring DA top guild Crisis since they would be the only guild across all servers who would show greatest force. Not knocking Crisis but what guild on any other 3 servers can show atleast 50-80 ppl at that timezone? I really think the best method is two TnF one benefiting EU and another benefiting Western world players at a later time and restriction to once per day participation. This would atleast give people equal opportunity. I don't think there is anytime that would satisfy all of us if you do just one TnF cross server @kalystconquerer#0876
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  • sin20
    sin20 Posts: 237 Arc User
    ladyblonde69 wrote: »
    i think plat+ get the token for cross, so not just crisis will reach cross TNF in regard to Da,
    problem is that rooms halve the players that would pass no matter what, so with our whole pwi playerbase like less than 10 players from all the servers will be able to reach last room of xTNF
    it will be really random even if crisis puts 25-30 in xTNF (which means 25-30 crisis to get plat and dia in TNF and trust me it's hard) i dont really think final room of xTNF will go to the strongest faction\alliance

    its a simple matter of maths

    300 tnf attendees \2\2\2\2 = 30ish plat and 15ish dia = 45 players per server x 4 servers = 180 total players in xTNF \2\2\2\2 = 11 players will reach final room of xTNF
    considering that crisis, which is the strongest "force" on pwi, will bring around 20% of the whole xTNF attendands statistically the strongest force of PWI will have 2 players in the final room​​

    Man it should be gold + at least what plat xD
    The more ppl the better simple.
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