Spend promo - 800 gold for Barbaric Blood x5? Bring back the S chest! >.<

wesker
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come on PWE... why did you guys change the 800 spent gold reward? The extra 12* orb instead of a free mount is cool but come on - barbaric blood? that rewards is rly rly lame :(
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  • angellicdeity
    angellicdeity Posts: 641 Arc User
    Who thinks 1 barbaric blood is worth $100? Sounds stupid to me.
  • ellenfan
    ellenfan Posts: 34 Arc User
    angellicdeity wrote: »
    Who thinks 1 barbaric blood is worth $100? Sounds stupid to me.

    more like almost 200$ for 1 barbaric blood

    i mean the 250g for a (bound) 12* is nice and all but replacing the S chest with 5x barbaric blood? seriously?

    and whats with the no-sales we've been getting the past weeks? theres NOTHING AT ALL u can buy from btq right now
    definitely sitting out on this spend promo on this side
  • keihan007#7641
    keihan007#7641 Posts: 1,190 Arc User
    wesker wrote: »
    come on PWE... why did you guys change the 800 spent gold reward? The extra 12* orb instead of a free mount is cool but come on - barbaric blood? that rewards is rly rly lame :(

    Well we most likely got traded higher tier rewards of chests to flame orb. I am not a fan of it myself but thats likely the reasoning for **** rewards replacing chests. Can you imagine how much sht PWE would of gotten(From Wanmei) had they just added flame orb in there and not removed anything we like?
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  • nunuator
    nunuator Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    "Well we most likely got traded higher tier rewards of chests to flame orb. I am not a fan of it myself but thats likely the reasoning for **** rewards replacing chests. Can you imagine how much sht PWE would of gotten(From Wanmei) had they just added flame orb in there and not removed anything we like?"

    Pretty much this but, a downgrade to an A chest over barbaric bloods would probably been a better idea... No matter what you do as PWE if you change something, no matter how small, people will always QQ about it.
  • dingo488
    dingo488 Posts: 936 Arc User
    LOL Ancient Gifts and Barbaric Blood, I love this game
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  • kalystconquerer#0876
    kalystconquerer#0876 Posts: 1,421 Perfect World Employee
    We've caught some heat for having the promo's not scaled properly aka CN wants the card to be worth more. When you look at the tiers, it's not supposed to be in a vacuum - when you spend that much, you are receiving that item and everything below it for that price. I do want to give players good deals, but CN worries about the longevity of the game when items get set at a certain price expectation.

    Some players seemed to not enjoy getting mounts at that teir so we moved it around a bit and placed Dragon Orbs in but if mounts are still desired even at that price, we can put them back into rotation.

    Also keep in mind that certain items such as Ancient Gifts and Bloods are still being worked in as prizes for contests and free codes (the last of which we have the Community Login Promo running right now, which means free Ancient Gifts are getting pumped into the system). And also, I haven't forgotten about Invite a Friend either *wink*
  • sin20
    sin20 Posts: 237 Arc User
    Well i think that 'new' spend promo is better than the old one , mount got traded for orb and 12* got implemented which will be way better to a lot wider pool of players with endgame refines and etc.

    As for chinas reasoning for this suggestion thats also understandable if you look at it , maybe instead of blood give A chest on next promo.
  • dingo488
    dingo488 Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    The reasoning from China doesn't make sense at all... They wish to limit the supply of items that were released at the end of 2013, with the reasoning of ''longevity''. Without this method of obtaining those rewards people will simply not try to obtain those rewards, that's why people still don't have it 3 years later. ''No realistic way to get it? Ok I won't get it.'' is the very simple conclusion everyone came to, with the reward once again taken out, that same conclusion will once again enter the picture.

    One thing the devs in China have done expertly is release new content, hype up our people, only to find out the content hasn't REALLY been released yet. We simply need to wait 3 years before we can actually touch the content that has been released. And they call it ''longevity''. Just use Uncharted Paradise and G17 gear as an example, I can't think of more than 3 people that are actively trying to get the final version of the G17 weapon on our entire server. They might as well not have released Uncharted Paradise, all the hype is gone, it's just a whole lot of ''could've been'' but instead it's just content that's just sitting there, not really worth doing. Reason? ''Longevity''
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  • tricksie
    tricksie Posts: 189 Arc User
    kalystconquerer#0876 wrote: »
    We've caught some heat for having the promo's not scaled properly aka CN wants the card to be worth more. When you look at the tiers, it's not supposed to be in a vacuum - when you spend that much, you are receiving that item and everything below it for that price. I do want to give players good deals, but CN worries about the longevity of the game when items get set at a certain price expectation.

    Some players seemed to not enjoy getting mounts at that teir so we moved it around a bit and placed Dragon Orbs in but if mounts are still desired even at that price, we can put them back into rotation.

    Also keep in mind that certain items such as Ancient Gifts and Bloods are still being worked in as prizes for contests and free codes (the last of which we have the Community Login Promo running right now, which means free Ancient Gifts are getting pumped into the system). And also, I haven't forgotten about Invite a Friend either *wink*

    They really have no idea what it's like here..... effectively doing what they are trying to prevent from happening.
    It's a damn shame.​​
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  • malllliii
    malllliii Posts: 137 Arc User
    @kalystconquerer Will there possible be a flash sale this weekend? atm doing spend rewards with the items that are currently on sale is just awful
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  • blazerboy
    blazerboy Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    Idc about the barbaric blood but bring good things back to O next week to make spend promo worth it such as profaned wood/refinements +10-12 or even crown of Sochi packs don't give these with such subpar sales please
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  • bizzah
    bizzah Posts: 19 Arc User
    kalystconquerer#0876 wrote: »
    We've caught some heat for having the promo's not scaled properly aka CN wants the card to be worth more. When you look at the tiers, it's not supposed to be in a vacuum - when you spend that much, you are receiving that item and everything below it for that price. I do want to give players good deals, but CN worries about the longevity of the game when items get set at a certain price expectation.

    Some players seemed to not enjoy getting mounts at that teir so we moved it around a bit and placed Dragon Orbs in but if mounts are still desired even at that price, we can put them back into rotation.

    Also keep in mind that certain items such as Ancient Gifts and Bloods are still being worked in as prizes for contests and free codes (the last of which we have the Community Login Promo running right now, which means free Ancient Gifts are getting pumped into the system). And also, I haven't forgotten about Invite a Friend either *wink*

    NO, NO, NO!!! Please keep the Dragon Orbs in there (all 3 please). We have enough mounts..no one wants more mounts! Imho the Promo is the best we have ever gotten and the heaviest fo CSers that already are full +12 can go elsewhere..they are not losing anything from this..greedy bunch.
  • matthew4
    matthew4 Posts: 373 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    @kalystconquerer#0876 Orb promo Is good but Ancient Gifts on tier 1 And Profundity Scroll III Ticket x5 really who want I think that nobody And what on tier avatar chest for 500g 1 And 800 2 or deity josd ow aby A Cars from WS And aeu card Needless to CN thinking to entice people on promo
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  • angellicdeity
    angellicdeity Posts: 641 Arc User
    kalystconquerer#0876 wrote: »
    We've caught some heat for having the promo's not scaled properly aka CN wants the card to be worth more. When you look at the tiers, it's not supposed to be in a vacuum - when you spend that much, you are receiving that item and everything below it for that price. I do want to give players good deals, but CN worries about the longevity of the game when items get set at a certain price expectation.

    Some players seemed to not enjoy getting mounts at that teir so we moved it around a bit and placed Dragon Orbs in but if mounts are still desired even at that price, we can put them back into rotation.

    Also keep in mind that certain items such as Ancient Gifts and Bloods are still being worked in as prizes for contests and free codes (the last of which we have the Community Login Promo running right now, which means free Ancient Gifts are getting pumped into the system). And also, I haven't forgotten about Invite a Friend either *wink*

    Spend $400 more for nothing (because bloods are worth nothing), is utterly ridiculous. The argument doesn't make sense. You're spending $250 for a Dragon orb Flame. You're paying $250 for 5 ancient gifts (worth nothing), and another $300 for 5 barbaric bloods (worth nothing). The value was at $250.

    Now if you put a Deity stone or Jade of Steady Defense - it would be perfectly reasonable. Right now the incremental price is out of whack and you really have no way to justify it.


    China ought to worry about the longevity of this game in its International Market. China needs to appeal to this market differently to retain people. Right now the "because china told us so" is kind of weak, because there is tons of evidence that the international market does not play MMO's the same way China does, and the average attention span is different.
  • dregenfox
    dregenfox Posts: 713 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    Yeah, I agree with everyone here, PWI should move the 12-star dragon orb up to the 800 gold tier, and move the barbaric blood down + ancient gift down to 250 + 500 (or better yet, replace altogether - bloods were only needed months ago). The tier system makes no sense this way. I would definitely take 5 barbaric bloods over an ocean though.

    Having the 12-star at 250 is way too low considering what's ahead of it (consider its worth 145G while most mounts are 30'ish).

    The previous 800 tier S-chest was, at best, worth 50G. So PWI is trying to value 1 barbaric blood at 10G. Quite a steep price! But I guess the messed up 12-star makes up for it?

    I actually wonder if someone at PWI messed up with the tiering :wink: .

    I think considering the value of the 12-star, it wouldn't be that bad to move the past A and S chests down to 250-500 tier. People just don't value bloods and wishes as much as they did 3 months ago.
  • sin20
    sin20 Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    Majority of the ppl in this spend promo just dont care about A and S chests , do you guys really believe if they put them at 150 or 250 gold that ppl would spend gold ?

    Also most comments here arent saying that 12* should be pushed to 800g rofl.

    Just the ppl that go for NP cards see S chests as a chance to win some extra NP card nothing else.
    Lets be real most ppl would just stock up on gold and wait some good promo like the DoD one and get it on multiple chars if orbs get pushed to 500-800g and A-S chests on 150-250 .
    And yea putting barbaric blood and ancient gift on 500-800 is weird but most ppl dont care about it , you arent gonna spend 800 for S chest , you will spend 1200 and thats the main thing that ppl want , NP cards xD
    Also putting deity/josd in spend promo would just be 2 much at this point.

    But spend 250 gold for 12* orb helps way bigger pool of players here and with more promos like this way more ppl will be high refined and competition will be stronger , and for ppl that spend 1200g it doesnt make any difference if orb is on 250g , 500g or 800g since they will get NP card which is well worth and main objective for most of them , since i doubt anyone would spend 800g on S chest but not extra 400 to get a sure NP card.
    Lets just compare how many NPs there was before promos like this started and how many there are today , id say they are getting what they want regardless of 500-800g rewards being changed :)

  • eirghan
    eirghan Posts: 1,912 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    I think 250 encourages people to spend who arent going for kestra. If it were me id consider 250 for dragon orb flame. At 800 id skip the promo altogether. (... well i will probably skip it at 250 too xD)

    Lets be honest, most people who spend past ~300 in a week are mostly the gold farmers who planned and bought in advance or the rich going for the card ANYWAY. Anything else is extra for them because they are getting NP. If pw moved the orbs up tiers to 800 many lower/casual spenders would just not bother and they would lose out on potential business.

    Sorry i dont understand the unhappiness. Did you want to get a mount at 800 gold mark? Did you want to pay more for the orbs? Theres no way that we will ever get 10, 11, 12, josd, diety, serenity, kestra all in one promo. As kalyst said there is a cap on the overall value given. Any other way those rewards are worked means less money for pw as more casual players give up cashing and less gear progression for the newer players/ more gear gap/ less fun for all.
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  • nunuator
    nunuator Posts: 455 Arc User
    To be honest I prefer this promo since you can purchase gold through the homestead feature. 2 gold fee log 5 alts on same account pick up 50 gold repeat until you hit 250. Sell gold in world chat or buy packs and resell repeat the process until you hit the kestra card; or if you're​ like me... Buy the 250 gold and spend on different toons on your account, once you hit 250 gold switch the toon you sell gold on and stash the 10/11/12 star orbs and get free +12...
    I've been doing this since the last promo and for a roughly 100mill-200mill fee you can get 6 times through the 250 gold promo for 6 10/11 and 12 star orbs, in this case, and easily max out refines on your toon.

    I honestly prefer this promo due to this but, the hard part is really finding someone to sell gold through the homestead feature, since they loose out on the promo themselves.
  • eirghan
    eirghan Posts: 1,912 Arc User
    nunuator wrote: »
    To be honest I prefer this promo since you can purchase gold through the homestead feature. 2 gold fee log 5 alts on same account pick up 50 gold repeat until you hit 250. Sell gold in world chat or buy packs and resell repeat the process until you hit the kestra card; or if you're​ like me... Buy the 250 gold and spend on different toons on your account, once you hit 250 gold switch the toon you sell gold on and stash the 10/11/12 star orbs and get free +12...
    I've been doing this since the last promo and for a roughly 100mill-200mill fee you can get 6 times through the 250 gold promo for 6 10/11 and 12 star orbs, in this case, and easily max out refines on your toon.

    I honestly prefer this promo due to this but, the hard part is really finding someone to sell gold through the homestead feature, since they loose out on the promo themselves.

    Last promo I bought (admittedly quite some time ago) the orbs weren't stashable. Is this not still true?

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  • nunuator
    nunuator Posts: 455 Arc User
    Last I checked I was able to stash 10 11 and 12 star orbs I haven't checked with this promo but, I'll update once I get some gold
  • bizzah
    bizzah Posts: 19 Arc User
    dregenfox wrote: »
    Yeah, I agree with everyone here, PWI should move the 12-star dragon orb up to the 800 gold tier, and move the barbaric blood down + ancient gift down to 250 + 500 (or better yet, replace altogether - bloods were only needed months ago). The tier system makes no sense this way. I would definitely take 5 barbaric bloods over an ocean though.

    Having the 12-star at 250 is way too low considering what's ahead of it (consider its worth 145G while most mounts are 30'ish).

    The previous 800 tier S-chest was, at best, worth 50G. So PWI is trying to value 1 barbaric blood at 10G. Quite a steep price! But I guess the messed up 12-star makes up for it?

    I actually wonder if someone at PWI messed up with the tiering :wink: .

    I think considering the value of the 12-star, it wouldn't be that bad to move the past A and S chests down to 250-500 tier. People just don't value bloods and wishes as much as they did 3 months ago.

    Are you insane? Might you wanna shut up? Asking them to make 12* orbs harder to get for everyone just because it makes no sense this way? Who the frigging hell cares about the tiers above 250 Gold that isnt a Nuema Portal Card.

    You people act as if you had to spend the gold JUST FOR THE ITEMS. I think you need to wake up. You get those items FOR FREE on top your regular spending.

    FFS this greed is just unbelievable..PWE actually makes an effort to give lower cashing people a chance to get maximum refine (even tho it hardly matters much now, but its something) and all you do is complain..about free stuff. Bottom line of humanity as its best. I applaud you all. No get lost and play another game. Useless people.
  • eirghan
    eirghan Posts: 1,912 Arc User
    nunuator wrote: »
    Last I checked I was able to stash 10 11 and 12 star orbs I haven't checked with this promo but, I'll update once I get some gold

    Thanks I'd be interested to know. I was under the impression it was once per account etc.

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  • demansfairy
    demansfairy Posts: 456 Arc User
    As much as I like the fee S chest, think I like this 12* at 250 gold mark more, especially with new gear upgrades comming, makes it easier to go through with the upgrading if I know I can re +12 for next to nothing.
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  • nunuator
    nunuator Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    11 star is not stash able 10 star is but, 12 star is not stash able
    So if you want free +10 do 110 gold sales on multiple toons and stash the 10 star.
    Charge promo orbs are account stash able though so if you send to the wrong toon you can move it over.

    The downside to this promo is nearly all items are being delayed by 4-8 hours before being sent to the toons...
    Cautionary steps I guess
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  • dregenfox
    dregenfox Posts: 713 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    bizzah wrote: »
    dregenfox wrote: »
    Yeah, I agree with everyone here, PWI should move the 12-star dragon orb up to the 800 gold tier, and move the barbaric blood down + ancient gift down to 250 + 500 (or better yet, replace altogether - bloods were only needed months ago). The tier system makes no sense this way. I would definitely take 5 barbaric bloods over an ocean though.

    Having the 12-star at 250 is way too low considering what's ahead of it (consider its worth 145G while most mounts are 30'ish).

    The previous 800 tier S-chest was, at best, worth 50G. So PWI is trying to value 1 barbaric blood at 10G. Quite a steep price! But I guess the messed up 12-star makes up for it?

    I actually wonder if someone at PWI messed up with the tiering :wink: .

    I think considering the value of the 12-star, it wouldn't be that bad to move the past A and S chests down to 250-500 tier. People just don't value bloods and wishes as much as they did 3 months ago.

    Are you insane? Might you wanna shut up? Asking them to make 12* orbs harder to get for everyone just because it makes no sense this way? Who the frigging hell cares about the tiers above 250 Gold that isnt a Nuema Portal Card.

    You people act as if you had to spend the gold JUST FOR THE ITEMS. I think you need to wake up. You get those items FOR FREE on top your regular spending.

    FFS this greed is just unbelievable..PWE actually makes an effort to give lower cashing people a chance to get maximum refine (even tho it hardly matters much now, but its something) and all you do is complain..about free stuff. Bottom line of humanity as its best. I applaud you all. No get lost and play another game. Useless people.

    Yeah my post was sort of trollish...but your post is exactly the kind of reply I wanted someone to make to my troll post. You make the points I wanted to make. Good job :).

    The S chest sort of sucked tbh. Most of the time all you got was a worthless S card that couldn't be consumed and just sits in your bag doing nothing. At least the bloods/wishes appeal to the lazy CS'ers who don't do dailies. The spend rewards are getting better for sure, but yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that China values barbarics and ancient wishes way too much.
  • sin20
    sin20 Posts: 237 Arc User
    I dont think china values barbarics and ancient gifts that much , its more that we (community) expressed our concern about severe lack of barbaric bloods in general (not even talking about new ppl that start and need to catch up) and that should be way more available compared to how much its needed for new players.

    As for ancient gifts its more or less the same but that was 3-4 months ago , now majority of player base are TS9-10 and dont care much about getting ancient gifts as much as they did then.

    So i guess this is pwe's way of trying to give it to us.

    And as for promo yea this is one of the better promos we've had.
  • dregenfox
    dregenfox Posts: 713 Arc User
    sin20 wrote: »
    I dont think china values barbarics and ancient gifts that much , its more that we (community) expressed our concern about severe lack of barbaric bloods in general (not even talking about new ppl that start and need to catch up) and that should be way more available compared to how much its needed for new players.

    As for ancient gifts its more or less the same but that was 3-4 months ago , now majority of player base are TS9-10 and dont care much about getting ancient gifts as much as they did then.

    So i guess this is pwe's way of trying to give it to us.

    And as for promo yea this is one of the better promos we've had.

    Kalyst was actually trying to give out the bloods/wishes earlier but kept getting blocked by China. They are apparently convinced that the dailies keep people playing so they want to control the supply tightly.

    I wonder how many people actually spent the ~200-300 gold for the boundry pills though? That would determine how highly China would value wishes/bloods.
  • dartwave
    dartwave Posts: 14 Arc User
    I'd also be happy with a zenith skull , instead of the barbaric bloods!! *winks*
  • wesker
    wesker Posts: 84 Arc User
    dartwave wrote: »
    I'd also be happy with a zenith skull , instead of the barbaric bloods!! *winks*
    now that's an idea!!!

  • tolots
    tolots Posts: 103 Arc User
    Only player that want to go for the nuema portal spend 1200 gold. And those players dosn't care about 12* Orbs and stuff anymore but an 100% S card chest is a shoot at another nuema card and if any other card drop its worthless to those people wich is the outcome most of the time. The barbaric blood was super dissapointing at this tier.

    Id like to have the S chest back after all to get those you need to spend 800 gold , just how many do this that it is a problem for china ?

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