Did you attend NW? Pros and Cons vs xNW Please

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  • hypereccentrik
    hypereccentrik Posts: 529 Arc User
    perrion wrote: »

    Nothing is scheduled at 5am server time. Barring those who used to play on Harshlands, it was the player's choice to play on a server on an inconvenient timezone.

    Going out on a whim here, but I think the 5 am is the person's time when NW happens...

  • booker27
    booker27 Posts: 167 Arc User
    They should just do two different NWs if they keep asking china maybe they convince them to code it lol
  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,805 Community Moderator
    booker27 wrote: »
    They should just do two different NWs if they keep asking china maybe they convince them to code it lol
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  • monoftalm
    monoftalm Posts: 118 Arc User
    xNw will be good for guild development as well, if players can have 100% fun in xNW for 2 hours and are OP they will not have to group in 1 guild per server to shoot the most fun in xTW, many times its not even fun for them, its just a higher chance to have huge fun in big group if your in 1 guild that gets up to 60.

    Can a GM give some feedback here plx? :)
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  • lilkitsu#4417
    lilkitsu#4417 Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    monoftalm wrote: »
    xNw will be good for guild development as well, if players can have 100% fun in xNW for 2 hours and are OP they will not have to group in 1 guild per server to shoot the most fun in xTW, many times its not even fun for them, its just a higher chance to have huge fun in big group if your in 1 guild that gets up to 60.

    Can a GM give some feedback here plx? :)

    there has been feedback. it's just not what you wanted to hear. Orinj has already stated, and been quoted multiple times that xNW is not high on their list of priorities.

    Again the only ones that can have 100% fun in xNW are those who have completely maxed endgame gear, and they are not the majority of players.

    I guess you have really forgotten about all the threads that were of complaints of xNW and wanted it removed. PWE gave the players what they wanted then, so if they were for some reason to move xNW higher on their list of priorties, then you might see something happen. But with all the people in this thread wanting xNW back, there are just as many who disagree with you and dont want it back
  • monoftalm
    monoftalm Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    monoftalm wrote: »
    xNw will be good for guild development as well, if players can have 100% fun in xNW for 2 hours and are OP they will not have to group in 1 guild per server to shoot the most fun in xTW, many times its not even fun for them, its just a higher chance to have huge fun in big group if your in 1 guild that gets up to 60.

    Can a GM give some feedback here plx? :)

    there has been feedback. it's just not what you wanted to hear. Orinj has already stated, and been quoted multiple times that xNW is not high on their list of priorities.

    Again the only ones that can have 100% fun in xNW are those who have completely maxed endgame gear, and they are not the majority of players.

    I guess you have really forgotten about all the threads that were of complaints of xNW and wanted it removed. PWE gave the players what they wanted then, so if they were for some reason to move xNW higher on their list of priorties, then you might see something happen. But with all the people in this thread wanting xNW back, there are just as many who disagree with you and dont want it back

    I do agree many cannot match the ultimate geared ones and that there are ultimate geared ones on each side to support them so its rly a team work!

    For sure that happy active ppl that utilize events in PWI do not post often and they are the core here.

    Take any of the TW guilds that are on the map and do a quiz, theirs not 1 single doubt you will have 90% of ppl say yes for XTW - and TW guilds are engine for the game.

    Still dont agree? - PWI is pulled most of its revenue from TW players.. which later lead to more expansion and free game time for everyone else.. . lets not argue about that :)

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  • lilkitsu#4417
    lilkitsu#4417 Posts: 87 Arc User
    Made up statistic, does not validate your claim.

    And from all the grief in the forums, it seems like most people are displeased with XTW because it isnt working as it was supposed to. But XTW is irrelevant to this conversation, because factions have the option for that or regular TW, and actually if i what i recall about how XTW works a faction need to have a certain amount of land in regular TW in order to do XTW, so only the top tear factions can do it effectively. And again the top tear group of players may be the biggest spenders, but they are not the majority of players.

    If you want to look at a fact, you claimed earlier on in this thread that XNW is sole event that kept PWI alive and that it made players spend money, but the real fact is XNW has been gone for several months and people are still spending money on the game, and the game is clearly not dead.

    Another little fact. XNW drove up the prices of items made from supply tokens. Take Rapture Crytstlas for example. When XNW was running they were well over 100k coin. take away XNW and the price has dropped to 50-60k depending on the seller.

    Another fact. Yes some people have left the game because there is no longer XNW, but people left the game because it was implemented.

    Honestly there is no win/win for PWI here. they implemented XNW and people begged them to take it away. They took it away and now other people want it back. There is only one true solution and that is to have one night for each, but that will probably never happen, and in that case i'd rather they dont bring it back at all, because it was more of a hinderence to undergeared players in one way or another.
  • tommcc9
    tommcc9 Posts: 5 Arc User
    Made up statistic, does not validate your claim.

  • monoftalm
    monoftalm Posts: 118 Arc User
    1 - All we say here is opinion as long as GMs do not claim otherwise because they access the data thats not shared.

    2 - Overall, it does make sense that people that make up the core of game and invest in PWI are OP and end gear.

    3 - We want xNW, and vast majority of players that are active do, normal NW is just silly.

    Can anyone prove that theres a huge chunk of op players that do not want xNW?

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  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,805 Community Moderator
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi/#/discussion/1205985/how-many-want-xnw-back

    O Wait.. 17/53/44 that's bad odds if you ask me. Really tho more people need to look at this and vote. Worth letting friends family guilds etc know about this.

    And yer sorry on mobile again...
  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,805 Community Moderator
  • lilkitsu#4417
    lilkitsu#4417 Posts: 87 Arc User
    monoftalm wrote: »

    you misread that stats. only 43% want xNW all the way.

    the 41% you added are people who want both 1 night for each NW and XNW.

    so if you were to look at the stats as a whole, there are more people who dont want xNW back all the way, like you do. majority of them just want one night for each.
  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,805 Community Moderator
    monoftalm wrote: »

    you misread that stats. only 43% want xNW all the way.

    the 41% you added are people who want both 1 night for each NW and XNW.

    so if you were to look at the stats as a whole, there are more people who dont want xNW back all the way, like you do. majority of them just want one night for each.

    so your saying most people want XNW back in some format then?​​
  • monoftalm
    monoftalm Posts: 118 Arc User
    monoftalm wrote: »

    you misread that stats. only 43% want xNW all the way.

    the 41% you added are people who want both 1 night for each NW and XNW.

    so if you were to look at the stats as a whole, there are more people who dont want xNW back all the way, like you do. majority of them just want one night for each.

    41% = all the way Yes
    43% = Yes 1 and 1, thats still a yes, Anyone that said Yes all the way is fine with that yes :)

    ONLY and ONLY 14% said no.
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  • perrion
    perrion Posts: 165 Arc User
    All that says is that a large number of people interested in reading and voting in a XNW thread/poll are interested in XNW. Not really a shocking revelation.

    You've been harping on this topic ever since NW came back. This thread has been active for over 6 months, and it's still only 8 pages long, with the vast majority of posts being made by the same people. When XNW first showed it's ugly head, there were THOUSANDS of posts made in numerous threads going for HUNDREDS of pages, full of players unhappy with XNW and wanting NW back.

    It is astoundingly clear which version the majority of the playerbase wants. Yes, there are fewer people attending NW than XNW, but there are also fewer people playing the game in general. On TT, there have been around 300-350 players nightly, not far off from the 400 or so that we used to pull on XNW.

  • writerred
    writerred Posts: 68 Arc User
    perrion wrote: »
    All that says is that a large number of people interested in reading and voting in a XNW thread/poll are interested in XNW. Not really a shocking revelation.

    You've been harping on this topic ever since NW came back. This thread has been active for over 6 months, and it's still only 8 pages long, with the vast majority of posts being made by the same people. When XNW first showed it's ugly head, there were THOUSANDS of posts made in numerous threads going for HUNDREDS of pages, full of players unhappy with XNW and wanting NW back.

    It is astoundingly clear which version the majority of the playerbase wants. Yes, there are fewer people attending NW than XNW, but there are also fewer people playing the game in general. On TT, there have been around 300-350 players nightly, not far off from the 400 or so that we used to pull on XNW.

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  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,805 Community Moderator
    Needs Both.

    Simple. XNW has to be a Sunday tho due to time or most of the US will be at school or Work or other tasks. NW can stay as a Friday or what night as its at server time 8Pm when most are at home. Hopefully if you cant attend one you can attend the other.

    Come to think of it a server change would be the easier option... LOL.

    Im not intrested in player numbers that may attend just blocking off some of the game that people cant play. NW is a good source of Experience as in PvP and playing the game learning your skills.

    I dont understand why people just want NW still... rather than the both option. You wont miss out on anything...

    On a last note I don't Support XNW on a Sunday with out randomising the players form each server onto different teams to make the Balance required for this International Event.​​
  • monoftalm
    monoftalm Posts: 118 Arc User
    This thread is about promoting XNW to come back, for player and game benefit, we are now at 85% of people wanting xNW back.

    Thank you!

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi/#/discussion/1205985/how-many-want-xnw-back

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  • bloodedone87
    bloodedone87 Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    monoftalm wrote: »
    This thread is about promoting XNW to come back, for player and game benefit, we are now at 85% of people wanting xNW back.

    Thank you!

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi/#/discussion/1205985/how-many-want-xnw-back

    85% of the people that voted on that thread wants xNW back. Not 85% of people that play the game. Dont forget that. I am not even sure that is 85% is of the total people that visit the forum.
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  • monoftalm
    monoftalm Posts: 118 Arc User
    This is the best sample we have - pwi did not send out polls or made them pop up when you log in the game yet.
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  • cyberomega45
    cyberomega45 Posts: 175 Arc User
    monoftalm wrote: »
    This thread is about promoting XNW to come back, for player and game benefit, we are now at 85% of people wanting xNW back.

    Thank you!

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi/#/discussion/1205985/how-many-want-xnw-back

    85% of the people that voted on that thread wants xNW back. Not 85% of people that play the game. Dont forget that. I am not even sure that is 85% is of the total people that visit the forum.

    Also, you cannot be sure that the people that voted for bringing xNW back might not have skewed the polls by logging in alternate accounts.
  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,805 Community Moderator
    monoftalm wrote: »
    This thread is about promoting XNW to come back, for player and game benefit, we are now at 85% of people wanting xNW back.

    Thank you!

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi/#/discussion/1205985/how-many-want-xnw-back

    85% of the people that voted on that thread wants xNW back. Not 85% of people that play the game. Dont forget that. I am not even sure that is 85% is of the total people that visit the forum.

    Also, you cannot be sure that the people that voted for bringing xNW back might not have skewed the polls by logging in alternate accounts.

    Dam didn't think of that... Ill do it now...​​
  • monoftalm
    monoftalm Posts: 118 Arc User
    Good idea, hmmm, whats the polls at now?
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  • perrion
    perrion Posts: 165 Arc User
    You guys are brilliant. You took a mostly inaccurate and useless poll and stripped away what little legitimacy it had by openly stating that you're inflating the numbers by voting multiple times on alts.

    Pure genius.
  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,805 Community Moderator
    LoL.

    I was being sarcastic to be fair. Yes agree the poll is not a brilliant show and tell as well as set in stone. However it does show a feeling of the players.

    Either way something that covers a lot more time zones and gives a lot more people the chance do events...

    I can't stop the reason for that call.
  • monoftalm
    monoftalm Posts: 118 Arc User
    Does anyone have any other poll from any other time or any other statistic that we can see here ?!?

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi#/discussion/1205985/how-many-want-xnw-back/p1

    This is fact everything else now is feelings
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  • cyberomega45
    cyberomega45 Posts: 175 Arc User
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    This was nation wars on Etherblade server Friday night. As you can see we have almost 500 people/alts participating. As much as participated in xserver NW. I do not see that xserver NW would increase the numbers. Etherblade would not benefit from xserver NW based on how many are coming to normal NW.
  • parrot2010
    parrot2010 Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited October 2016
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    This was nation wars on Etherblade server Friday night. As you can see we have almost 500 people/alts participating. As much as participated in xserver NW. I do not see that xserver NW would increase the numbers. Etherblade would not benefit from xserver NW based on how many are coming to normal NW.
    We are talking about real fights, you are talking about numbers. Everyone can bring their alts and reach 1000 ppl total, but it won't add more fun.
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