Remaking PWI great again.

rockafella#8523
rockafella#8523 Posts: 30 Arc User
edited August 2016 in General Discussion
PWI "USED" to be great. was a fun game, even people who had never played an MMO before i recommended playing and they loved it. maybe it's the type of graphics or just the gaming style of the game. but since then to present day, PWI has taken a turn for the worse. hear me out on this. the prices for everything. literally is insane, believe it or not. it's to some cause why pwi is losing more players than gaining right now. i see greed. maybe not 100% from PWI i know it's also players who run things like this right now. sad but true, pwi can fix this if they wished. but why would they? i mean compared to how things use to be, even if they know now that everything is overly pricey they're still making more money. logic. you have to spend more for less now. and the more is going to them while the less you'll walk away with.

PROBLEMS: i've seen something as simple as Divines. most people would know what this is. you finish BH you get a slip/item in your bag, you then take it to the npc(in every major city) and if you're lucky there'll be a quest either blue or purple.. pwi has taken out the gaining of coins from this item. it wasn't a lot, but to the people who didn't cash shop it was stacking.(i'm a cash shopper sometimes so i'm not capping or making this because i'm not). again this is greed..

Taking out FF/FC/Zhen. places where people powerleveled, and bringing in items that you MUST pay for to level. if not it's going to take you sometime. and before anyone starts going off about Plvl players are *FAIL* i say. at least they knew their toons a bit better than pillbabies.. lv1 to rrr9.. wow yeah logic....

Forcing players to spend, pushing them into a corner where they must spend to keep up with others. even on a PVE level.. cant J or D FSP with crappy gear, last time i checked you sorta needed cards and all if you wanted to keep up with the mass. now dont get me wrong guys, i want pwi to keep the cash shopping option opened. but also give players that dont CS a way to make money like there was, TM 69-79 FF/FC ZHEN these were all things new players coming into the game would have enjoyed doing..before they know what cash shopping really is and how todo it. take this away and to anyone who's joining. is just going to see the game as a price tag and find something new.. a business cannot run like this, only leads to failure.

Class wise, i'd say stop picking 1-2 classes to make god classes with.. example. ya'll been doing this for years.. making sin insanely strong, now on a PWI where spending means everything (as is now) that means you make sin strong, give them insane skills make them put little to no effort into killing other classes. and watch people spend to catch up... but oh wait, next update/expansion ya'll just make sins once again op. so to me it seems like a big ole cycle of spending. most people will agree on this, most wont.

I've red on a post before this, someone commented that. we as players cannot do anything about this.. well to you sir/ma'am you're wrong. this isn't a Pserver. and since it's a working business they relay on you and me. the customers(players). so if people were to start demanding change they'll have no choice but to change. no business wants to lose business it's that simple. it only takes 25% of the major CS'ers in game right now to stop cash shopping and pwi will be in some trouble.. image 50%.

all i'm saying is, make the game back how it once was, it was fair to play. but the rate this game is going there might as well be another servers merge soon, but my question is, whats going to happen when there's only 2 servers left. pwi will just be 1 big server?? and how long do you really think that'll last...sure it'll be fun at first, fighting people you always wanted to fight(PVP) but it'll start dying.

before anyone gets all red in the head. this is just my honest opinion and how to fix it.

so please pwi. make changes..



#EnoughIsEnough

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  • dblazen1
    dblazen1 Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    Oh boy I love these threads! Let's go.
    PWI "USED" to be great. was a fun game, even people who had never played an MMO before i recommended playing and they loved it. maybe it's the type of graphics or just the gaming style of the game. but since then to present day, PWI has taken a turn for the worse. hear me out on this. the prices for everything. literally is insane, believe it or not. it's to some cause why pwi is losing more players than gaining right now. i see greed. maybe not 100% from PWI i know it's also players who run things like this right now. sad but true, pwi can fix this if they wished. but why would they? i mean compared to how things use to be, even if they know now that everything is overly pricey they're still making more money. logic. you have to spend more for less now. and the more is going to them while the less you'll walk away with.

    PROBLEMS: i've seen something as simple as Divines. most people would know what this is. you finish BH you get a slip/item in your bag, you then take it to the npc(in every major city) and if you're lucky there'll be a quest either blue or purple.. pwi has taken out the gaining of coins from this item. it wasn't a lot, but to the people who didn't cash shop it was stacking.(i'm a cash shopper sometimes so i'm not capping or making this because i'm not). again this is greed..
    I'm pretty sure the purple ones still give coins, correct me if i'm wrong. I don't know if the blue ones even ever gave coins, as I never did those.

    Taking out FF/FC/Zhen. places where people powerleveled, and bringing in items that you MUST pay for to level. if not it's going to take you sometime. and before anyone starts going off about Plvl players are *FAIL* i say. at least they knew their toons a bit better than pillbabies.. lv1 to rrr9.. wow yeah logic....
    Really... complaining about leveling? Again? Leveling is hella lot easier now than it was years ago. Yes, even without the pills. So puhlease.
    I fail to see how this is of any annoyance to you, as PvE is pisspoor easy regardless, and in PvP pillbabies shouldn't be of any concern if they suck so much. So really, what is the problem here?


    Forcing players to spend, pushing them into a corner where they must spend to keep up with others. even on a PVE level.. cant J or D FSP with crappy gear, last time i checked you sorta needed cards and all if you wanted to keep up with the mass. now dont get me wrong guys, i want pwi to keep the cash shopping option opened. but also give players that dont CS a way to make money like there was, TM 69-79 FF/FC ZHEN these were all things new players coming into the game would have enjoyed doing..before they know what cash shopping really is and how todo it. take this away and to anyone who's joining. is just going to see the game as a price tag and find something new.. a business cannot run like this, only leads to failure.
    No, this is the playerbase being ****, you don't need ubergear to do anything in PvE, just a minimum amount of braincells will do. Which a lot of people seem to lack and just want to faceroll PvE instances. This is nothing PWE introduced.
    Besides, it's a painful loop you are suggesting anyway, you are saying new players want TM runs and FF/FC zhen (in the form of selling it to said players) but where are they supposed to get the coins to pay for that if they have nothing to pay it with?


    Class wise, i'd say stop picking 1-2 classes to make god classes with.. example. ya'll been doing this for years.. making sin insanely strong, now on a PWI where spending means everything (as is now) that means you make sin strong, give them insane skills make them put little to no effort into killing other classes. and watch people spend to catch up... but oh wait, next update/expansion ya'll just make sins once again op. so to me it seems like a big ole cycle of spending. most people will agree on this, most wont.
    That is PWCN's doing, and they don't have our problems, so they won't fix it unless they see it as a problem, not up to PWE to decide. Our version was just turned into a powercreep fest early on, because PWE requested gear we should not have gotten in the first place (hello R9rr)

    I've red on a post before this, someone commented that. we as players cannot do anything about this.. well to you sir/ma'am you're wrong. this isn't a Pserver. and since it's a working business they relay on you and me. the customers(players). so if people were to start demanding change they'll have no choice but to change. no business wants to lose business it's that simple. it only takes 25% of the major CS'ers in game right now to stop cash shopping and pwi will be in some trouble.. image 50%.
    Imagine people doing that, sure.
    Why would they do that though? Cashshoppers get exactly what they want, and you want to take it all out.
    They have more incentive to quit cashshopping if PWE does as you want them to do: limiting the cashshop.


    all i'm saying is, make the game back how it once was, it was fair to play. but the rate this game is going there might as well be another servers merge soon, but my question is, whats going to happen when there's only 2 servers left. pwi will just be 1 big server?? and how long do you really think that'll last...sure it'll be fun at first, fighting people you always wanted to fight(PVP) but it'll start dying.

    so please pwi. make changes..

    #EnoughIsEnough

    tl;dr: if china does not see these things as issues, they won't change it.
    If you read what kind of answers @orinj has gotten when he asked about the proc rate on china's r9rr, you will realize what kind of people PWE are dealing with to get stuff done.​​
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  • greenfire312
    greenfire312 Posts: 269 Arc User
    Taking out FF/FC/Zhen. places where people powerleveled, and bringing in items that you MUST pay for to level. if not it's going to take you sometime. and before anyone starts going off about Plvl players are *FAIL* i say. at least they knew their toons a bit better than pillbabies.. lv1 to rrr9.. wow yeah logic....
    Well, I must've gotten the wrong pillbaby pack then, because mine gave me TT99 gear instead of R9S3. Go figure.

    Kidding aside... this game already has way too many ways to level, even taking out the pillbaby options. It pushes you out of the starter zone in an hour or less, and then takes every opportunity possible to load you down with high-yield quests and dailies. They throw gear in your face in all the lowgame instances and then throw exp items in your face in all the midgame ones. If you'd been here before they started experimenting with those terrible new starter zones, having to run around for hours before even getting close to fb19, you wouldn't be complaining about leveling speed today. Endgame will still be there whenever you get to it.
    Forcing players to spend, pushing them into a corner where they must spend to keep up with others. even on a PVE level.. cant J or D FSP with crappy gear, last time i checked you sorta needed cards and all if you wanted to keep up with the mass. now dont get me wrong guys, i want pwi to keep the cash shopping option opened. but also give players that dont CS a way to make money like there was, TM 69-79 FF/FC ZHEN these were all things new players coming into the game would have enjoyed doing..before they know what cash shopping really is and how todo it. take this away and to anyone who's joining. is just going to see the game as a price tag and find something new.. a business cannot run like this, only leads to failure.
    I'm trying to be understanding here, but if you honestly think you need to spend money just to play PVE, you really do sound impatient at best. I entered endgame with TT90 gold armor and mold wep on my archer and and TT99 full set on my barb. I had no problem playing any endgame BH. Currently both those characters run in g15 Nirvana +5 armor, with g15+7 and g16+5 wep respectively. I have no desire to power them up any higher, and both do splendidly in FSP, WS, A/EU, Aba/SoT, etc... honestly, what standard are you aspiring to here? If you feel like you need full g16+10s to do DFSP, you are demonstrably wrong.
    Class wise, i'd say stop picking 1-2 classes to make god classes with.. example. ya'll been doing this for years.. making sin insanely strong, now on a PWI where spending means everything (as is now) that means you make sin strong, give them insane skills make them put little to no effort into killing other classes. and watch people spend to catch up... but oh wait, next update/expansion ya'll just make sins once again op. so to me it seems like a big ole cycle of spending. most people will agree on this, most wont.

    I've red on a post before this, someone commented that. we as players cannot do anything about this.. well to you sir/ma'am you're wrong. this isn't a Pserver. and since it's a working business they relay on you and me. the customers(players). so if people were to start demanding change they'll have no choice but to change. no business wants to lose business it's that simple. it only takes 25% of the major CS'ers in game right now to stop cash shopping and pwi will be in some trouble.. image 50%.
    Well PVP has been broken for years, and even if they balance all classes perfectly (which no one will ever agree on, ever), there will still be a pay to win mentality surrounding R9S3 gears and high refines. I notice you didn't choose to complain about that.

    Believe me when I say - through personal experience - that if demanding change from PWE were enough to reverse harmful changes to the game, it would've been done years ago. There are far too many R9s now who would whine incessantly if it were ever nerfed in the slightest. PWE embraced power creep, and if you choose to do PVP, you have to embrace it too. Personally, this is why I'll suggest to anyone to not do serious PVP.
    all i'm saying is, make the game back how it once was, it was fair to play. but the rate this game is going there might as well be another servers merge soon, but my question is, whats going to happen when there's only 2 servers left. pwi will just be 1 big server?? and how long do you really think that'll last...sure it'll be fun at first, fighting people you always wanted to fight(PVP) but it'll start dying.

    before anyone gets all red in the head. this is just my honest opinion and how to fix it.

    so please pwi. make changes..

    #EnoughIsEnough
    Okay - could you give a specific list of changes you'd like PWE to make? You post a lot of things you see as problems, but I'm not seeing any proposed solutions... other than, as you put it, "make the game back how it once was." Which, on its own, doesn't mean anything.

    I'm very curious... what year did you start playing, and on what server? If you're talking about "how it once was," I think you have a different definition of that than some others would.
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  • roziveru
    roziveru Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    Bunch of complains not for the first not last time.
    Divine blues gold reward wasn't really helpful yet purples still gives gold from what i know.
    You can exp from pv n heavenfall temple instead of fc.
    This game doesn't force you to buy gold more than tv commercials makes you buy their products PVE wise especially. Everything in game is supposed to be able to make in g15 squads(not sure about UP never been there). I myself played on different server where g15 n r8r was the best thing and there was no +30 atk blessings and sq size was bugged to max6 ppl. Guess what i did fsp with that setup and squad was +7/+10.
    I don't really do much of pvp but if there's no problem on china with balancing classes than maybe it's only players on eu/na. Well i could see a nerf for duskblades like sins get for avatar cards since dusks also dex based dmg.
    This game is like what 10 yrs old? If players didn't like this that much it wouldn't be even half of that and it was always item shop based and everyone knows that.


  • freygin
    freygin Posts: 737 Arc User
    Class wise, my only complain is toward Sin and Duskblade, luckily there are not too many endgame geared dbs where I play, but Sins, they're everywhere like ants.

    I can go on and on and on qqing about sin, especially as a cleric, no gtfo skill/anti stun vs too much cc, even when the sin is stupid enough and play like an aps spamming life hunter, he can randomly cancel channeling, WTF, the skill doesn't even have a description that it can cancel channeling like knifethrow but it does that and it happens quite often, and with every update is in favor toward sin, are the people at wanmei crazy or what ? Boosting their damage in almost every update, and each update could be broken for a long time until they trump it with another skill update. Like cleric's heal debuff maxed at around 10k, while in every update they keep adding lots of HP with avatar, starchart, passives, nw buffs. Why can't they make an immediate skill adjustment and always makes it like an upgrade ?

    Look at how broken DBs are in 1v1, sure this is an mmo and mass pk is fun, but they should also balance 1v1, there is no counter to what dbs can do with whatever mechanics the game has to offer.
  • rockafella#8523
    rockafella#8523 Posts: 30 Arc User
    ^ totally. but way i see it, the ones who dont want these class to be nerf or balanced are the ones that plays it, and want to be broken.
  • arspaulina#4310
    arspaulina#4310 Posts: 347 Community Moderator
    Its all about job security. As dblazen1 pointed out, they aren't...how do I put this? Open? You have to ask the right questions. What we see as completely wrong out the window they don't see. They have a game culture different than ours, and the concepts of whats broken and whats fixed are...perplexing at best. When we had the invitation code, they got mad and pulled it early. When we tell them there's 2 data entries for proc, they essentially dance around it and go "this was by design". The staff does hear every suggestion/idea that comes through but as to weather they can act on it...is a completely different story.

    I still think using the Event Shop as a conduit for a way to generate coin or some some of weird resurrection of the DQ system with limitations would go a long way but I've always been floating that idea around for ages XD Maybe I'm just weird.
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