SIN VS STORMBRINGER

Assuming same gear I think the sin should win (Admittedly I'm a little biased ) but sins can keep someone locked down for a good amount of time. As long as you don't get unlucky and keep getting purify proc then you should be able to keep sealed/stunned long enough to kill I think​​

Sin his an advantage in bout every matchup, tidal is pretty broken.

jsxshadow wrote: »

Seriously? Before Homestead I would say if the Storm is good then the Storm should win the majority of fights since if done correctly they can pretty much fire at the sin for quite some time before even fearing to get killed (Reaper Form/AntiStun/Dew help to survive alot), depending on the sin ofc. NOW its kinda impossible for the Storm to win. The Sin can just outwait all Cooldowns a Storm has, jump to the Storm and literally 1 or 2 shot it. The rediculous DMG sins got now is just unbelievable.

Back in the Day sins had been pretty balanced (pre-primal) then Primal screwed it up a bit and they went OP again before people got tanky enough and it was balanced again. OFC Devs couldnt accept that sins had to use any kind of effort to land kills and boosted their dmg even more and heck..looking at the incoming update...+sigh+

I am the absolute defender of selfbuffed 1on1s, seriously. Always have been. But if you are not a HA-class then just forget it. Sins can put too much preassure on anything with so little effort that you can say u only have a reasonable chance if you dont have to instantly pop genie when they are even remotely close to you just to stay alive. Most caster have enough DMG/Combos to eventually kill a sin, even on buffs (esp Storms and Wizards) so to even out the odds its imho ok to use Spirit of Defense vs a Sin and a sin alone. Any other matchup is fair (or at least alot fairer than vs a sin) and can be fought on selfbuffs.

So yeah, if both are fully buffed and equally skilled then I would say the Storm should win unless the Storm is ultra unlucky on purify Spell or was dumb enough, like me, to get the boundless "upgrade".

...How does your post work?
You go from saying there's no way a storm can win vs a sin, to a conclusion saying that a storm should win unless the storm is unlucky?​​

Stormbringer was not made for 1vs1 so ofcourse a sin gonna win against a storm.

dblazen1 wrote: »

jsxshadow wrote: »

Seriously? Before Homestead I would say if the Storm is good then the Storm should win the majority of fights since if done correctly they can pretty much fire at the sin for quite some time before even fearing to get killed (Reaper Form/AntiStun/Dew help to survive alot), depending on the sin ofc. NOW its kinda impossible for the Storm to win. The Sin can just outwait all Cooldowns a Storm has, jump to the Storm and literally 1 or 2 shot it. The rediculous DMG sins got now is just unbelievable.

Back in the Day sins had been pretty balanced (pre-primal) then Primal screwed it up a bit and they went OP again before people got tanky enough and it was balanced again. OFC Devs couldnt accept that sins had to use any kind of effort to land kills and boosted their dmg even more and heck..looking at the incoming update...+sigh+

I am the absolute defender of selfbuffed 1on1s, seriously. Always have been. But if you are not a HA-class then just forget it. Sins can put too much preassure on anything with so little effort that you can say u only have a reasonable chance if you dont have to instantly pop genie when they are even remotely close to you just to stay alive. Most caster have enough DMG/Combos to eventually kill a sin, even on buffs (esp Storms and Wizards) so to even out the odds its imho ok to use Spirit of Defense vs a Sin and a sin alone. Any other matchup is fair (or at least alot fairer than vs a sin) and can be fought on selfbuffs.

So yeah, if both are fully buffed and equally skilled then I would say the Storm should win unless the Storm is ultra unlucky on purify Spell or was dumb enough, like me, to get the boundless "upgrade".

...How does your post work?
You go from saying there's no way a storm can win vs a sin, to a conclusion saying that a storm should win unless the storm is unlucky?​​

Please learn to read. I said that on selfbuffs its nearly impossible for the Storm to win on equal gears but I also said that the tankier the Storm gets (for example with buffs) the odds go more in favour of the Storm. That is what I've said.

Thats the problem with sins in general. IF you deal enough dmg to force them to even react while in tidal and are tanky enouhg to not die within 3 skills then you can easily beat Sins, doesnt really matter which class you are. IF that is not the case than the sin will beat you. The damage isnt even the major problem here. If it was just dmg but you could CC them to hold them off/Forcing them to use APO/genie themselves, this would be no problem at all. But Tidal will automatically bring the sin in the most advantagous position possible since in most cases Tidal helps them so that they dont have to use any CD on genie/apo/critical skills as long as it lasts. By the point it runs out and anyone could start counterattacking they have genie rdy, apo, 3 stealth skills, trip sparks to no end and counter-CC ofc.

A fully decked out sin in terms of Def lvl with decent Spirit (1500+) is the most powerful built for ANYTHING this game has to offer with such a massive gap between the next class/built that you really can jump to the thought what the actual heck the DEVs are smoking and where to get some for yourself. This is a massive balancing issue. It always should be that if a class deals unholy amounts of DMG that this class in particular is also just as squishy. TROLOLOLOL but sin is the tankiest class in the game BY FAR due to tidal. Ya Logic is something really hard to grasp.

I hate buffs in general but tbh...the only fair matchup one could have vs a full josd sin would be: Sin on selfbuffs -> AA/LA with maximum buffs (Cept for the Dusk ofc which is only second to sins if full josd). Even then...Trip Spark -> Subsea -> Earthen Rift zerkcrit should still deal far above 10k on an Endgame, full josd caster. **** rediculous if you ask me.

superfedee wrote: »

tp stun cursed jail cancel subsea earthen. that's what it takes for the sin to kill the sb.

sadly who is devving wasnt happy with the fact that db was just about to outdps sin, then gave sins best spike DPH of the game with new er ct and even rds

but no worries they are getting even more buffed in next patch i guess soon even HAs will need to wear physical def ornaments and have expel on their genie
cause while other classes will get minor tweaks, they are going to get 2x base damage on cursed jail, 10 seconds ulti in which state the sin will deal 50% damage more seems balanced​​

I read sin ullti is only 8 secs, is it 10 secs for lv2 ?

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Knife throw with no cooldown also gets lowered casting time from 1.0 to 0.9 sec, doesn't look like much but the original knifethrow is 1 sec casting time, 0.1 channelling time, so it pretty much adds one more knifethrow in 10 sec window for ulti, and it can interrupt channeling. WTH, any magic class with long channeling time is pretty much fked up. I usually save expel for when a sin is triple sparked, but now they have this, and I bet sins will manage to triple spark before doing ulti + full knife throw combo.

In theory, what would happen during an ulti and a sin does triple spark before, then followed by full knife throws is like this :
Enter stealth (noone can see a sin with ulti), first knifethrow will have 1.5x dmg (first second), out of stealth, second knifethrow (2nd sec), enter forced stealth, third knifethrow will have 1.5x dmg (3rd second), out of stealth...and so on. Without response time to server factored in, in theory sin can do 10 knife throws, in which 5 of them have 1.5x dmg, equals to 12.5 normal knife throws. WTF.

If comboed with subsea strike +50% dmg, the dmg multiplier is then 1.5 x 1.5 = 2.25x dmg (stealthed in ulti + subsea), followed by a timed cursed jail with 2x base dmg is like 4.5x base dmg, and when cursed jail ends, the target is stunned for the remaining 3.1 seconds WTF.

and there is also zerkcrit+wolf emblem and tangling mire.

I guess it can't be helped, first there were aps, now all these damage boost for sin in almost every patch with skill changes, sins will be sins, and the devs want them to live up to its name. I really hate tideborn update.

Oh and it seems to me that most if not all sin skills can do auto channeling interrupt that's not written in skill description, and most physical classes/melees can do that, is it just me or does anyone notice this ? It's really annoying.

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About the topic, my bet is on the sin, imo r9s3 +10 won't be enough to survive a sin, if all else fail, they still have master of shadows as a last resort.

BTW is stealth allowed to be used in 1v1 (unless it's sin vs sin) ? I usually don't mind because it's in the skillset.

freygin wrote: »

I read sin ullti is only 8 secs, is it 10 secs for lv2 ?

It's actually 16 seconds level 2​​

Sin will win. After chasing the storm bringer for 40 minutes of straight purify proc.

Archers > Every other class
nuff said

Archers > Archers
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eirghan wrote: »

Sin will win. After chasing the storm bringer for 40 minutes of straight purify proc.

^This. Nothing more annoying then chasing an SB in circles because purify keeps you from locking them down ​​