Uncharted Paradise - Expansion seems doomed to fail

aphrodita said:

let them do it, they seem to be happy for now and thats the point of the game after all.
i personally am fully endgame and did not even enter this instance, eventually all these enthusiastic farmers will realise their wasted time and effort and put their mats for sale

mulier wrote: »

wasnt that exactly what u wanted ppl to be able to? - farm the mats and sell to others? *confused here*

tuttle said:

Nirvana is also in the level 5 workshop quest list lol, had to do it on my new and old main both yesterday.

As far as Uncharted (UP, UCP, what's our acronym here?) goes, I *WILL* take non-r9s3 players, as long as they listen, and fit the role list I am looking for, if the squad isn't going to be capable of spark killing, I want a proper squad with buffs, debuffs, etc.

Barb (tank for last boss - I won't bring a non-r9 barb, since it'll be hard to hold aggro)
Cleric (obvious - also won't bring a non-r9 cleric, as we need a cleric who can stay alive)
Mystic (invigorate is great, res buff)
Seeker (debuffs are amazing)
BM (HF/GS)
Veno (purges, amps)
Storm (their magic debuffs...)
Dusk (buffs - very optional)

Beyong those 8 its a crapshoot, I very rarely bring a psy, try to avoid doubling up on classes

catgirldesu said:

Non endgame players can run the instance and sell the materials to the endgame players that are interested in the G17 weapons. I think that would be the best possible outcome because it would create a new market, non endgame players would have something to farm (kinda) and a way to make some coin while endgame players will want to turn their gold into coins to buy the materials allowing for a better gold circulation.



Well, that is the ideal. What actually happens is another matter. Still, I'm fairly sure the instance can be done with a decently refined, well coordinated G16 Nirvana squad. How do you think players in PWCN run the instance? I actually want to try the instance on a lesser geared toon, though right now all of my G16 Nirvana alts aren't Astral X so I can't enter.



I think some people need start taking the initiative and form their own squads. There are a lot of players who refuse to form their own squads and just wait until something pops up in faction or WC. I understand some players have anxiety and other problems, but some are just too lazy to form themselves and wait for others to do it.



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csquared5 said:

Ideal UP squad imo is this:

1 barb (for his hp buff, titans---ideally demon for 5% crit on entire squad, and for tanking last boss; since his genie is probably high strength, he should do tangling mire as well)
1 cleric (for buffs, rezzes, heals, and mark of weakness debuff for extra 15% crit on boss)
1 mystic (rez buff, invigorate buff for 20% more dmg on skills)
1 blademaster (glacial spike debuff is 50% magic debuff, 90% physical debuff, heavens flame is 100% amp for 9s if demon)
1 venomancer (amplify dmg 25 or 30% boost, quite good dps if they use empyrean harpy pet)
1 seeker (hopefully didn't make the mistake of upgrading to chaos blade, because sage Soul Shatter is very OP; seeker provides defense level debuffs, 50% metal debuff, amps or crit debuffs to all types of dmg)
1 assassin (sage, 50% subsea strike-after it finishes, somebody needs to do extreme poison right away; sin and db are pretty close in terms of max dps)
1 stormbringer (perigean tide 100% metal and water debuff, new ultimate skill dark maelstrom 40% elemental debuff in pve)
1 wizard (undine strike debuff, and because they have the best burst dps with their new ultimate skill, especially when combined with seeker's SS and wizard's spark debuff from high dext genie)
1 duskblade (because they are simply put the highest dps class in the game)

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Assuming the above squad, we get the following list of debuffs and squad buffs, if all ultimate skills are max level.

Amps:

All dmg: 100% for 9s from bm's heavens flame, 25 or 30% for 20 or 25s from veno's amplify dmg, 50% for 8s from sin's subsea strike
Physical amp: 50% from seeker's heart shatter
Fire amp: 150% for 20s from seeker's soul shatter
Earth amp: 150% for 20s from seeker's soul shatter
Metal amp: 50% from seeker's heart shatter

Defense debuffs:

Physical: 90% for 10s from bm's glacial spike, 50% for 10s from barb's tangling mire
Elemental (all): 60% for 10s from bm's glacial spike, 40% for 20s from sb's dark maelstrom ulti
Fire debuff: 60% for 12s from wiz undine strike, 100% for 6s from wiz spark genie debuff
Earth debuff: 60% for 12s from wiz undine strike
Water debuff: 60% for 12s from wiz undine strike, 100% for 10s(?) from sb's perigean tide
Metal debuff: 100% for 10s(?) from sb's perigean tide, 50% for 10s from seeker's ion spike (or 30% from demon cleric's thunder crash)
Wood debuff: 30% for 6s if demon veno

Defense level debuff:

~80-90 defense levels from seeker's sacrificial strike, 10 or 20 defense levels depending on the stance he uses

Crit debuffs:

All: 15% from cleric's mark of weakness
Fire: 50% from seeker's soul shatter
Earth: 50% from seeker's soul shatter
Water: 50% from seeker's mind shatter
Wood: 50% from seeker's mind shatter

Dmg Buffs:

All: 20% more skill dmg from mystic's invigorate buff
Physical dmg: 40 or 50% of wep dmg boost from barb's strength of titans
Magic dmg: 70% of wep dmg boost from cleric's spirit's gift

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However, the more basic structure of a squad looks more like this:

1 barb
1 cleric
1 blademaster
1 venomancer
1 seeker
1 sage assassin
1 mystic

Then we have 3 spots for other classes, and, as long as you have the classes listed above, you should still have a nuke squad. The remaining classes are:

-stormbringer
-psychic
-wizard
(these 3 classes work well together)
-archer (new metal debuff is 80%, so if your squad has a strong cleric and stormbringer, archer will boost their dmg a lot)
-duskblade (no essential debuffs, but very strong dps)

This means 3 spots for 5 classes. Not too bad. I've also done nuke squads without a mystic before. Consider that a mystic boosts skill dmg by 20%. 20% extra dmg on 10 people the equivalent of 2 ppl's worth of dmg. This can (almost) be replaced if you have a very strong dps like a duskblade instead, who does as much dps as 2 ordinary dds (mystic still superior because a mystic has some own dps to contribute as well, of course).

I think more important than a perfect debuff squad is having intelligent players who don't waste time!

Cheers~