Cross-Server Event Time Discussion

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  • mosz
    mosz Posts: 247 Arc User
    shade13 said:

    Did anyone suggest to return 2nd NW and set it on Friday as it was before? Thus, xTW won't suffer, Sunday NW won't suffer. Who is interested in more NWing, will go. Who can't attend on Sunday will have a chance to earn tokens on Friday.

    As I was afraid, xTW is not balanced at all, SF and numbers wise. It leaves us only 1 decent PK event per week monkey-19.gif That's really sad and depressing.

    Not everyone can participate in xTW and not everyone has TWs. NW was for everyone.    ​​

    so old type NW (just within one server at 9pm EST/6pmwest/5am CEST ) and current cross server NW at current sunday time? while euro players would have a hard time joining the within server NW(as they have for the last year or w.e), thats not a bad idea at all, although i feel Wanmei would have a hard time implementing that though ;/

    i do agree, about the "only 1 decent PK event per week" , sadly it has been harder and harder (depending if beside DA) to find even numbered battles in NW
  • krazyeyez87
    krazyeyez87 Posts: 10 Arc User
    do what i do, troll, troll and make ppl rage quit game lol less money for pw
  • darkbash18
    darkbash18 Posts: 3 Arc User
    blazerboy said:

    Im laughing my **** off you want pwi to adjust to yours

    really? you think pwi would be here without this people playing it? if they love EU so much , i would love to play in a real US server PW.

    Just bring back old NW, or make two NW on sunday. One on your favorite EU time and another one on US favorite time.

  • dejiavu
    dejiavu Posts: 103 Arc User
    Two weeks ago I spent 15 minutes in one battle, killed 20 and got a whopping 475 credits. Last Sunday I spent the same amount of time, killed 14, got kicked out after 5 deaths, got zero credits and thereby left the nation war as another waste of my time.
  • spaz95
    spaz95 Posts: 110 Arc User
    Ok, so I have now only done 2 Cross server NW. Not only is it at the worst f***ing time possible 3am. Im stuck with a solid 900-1k ping throughout the whole god damn ordeal. The timezone bullcrap i can deal with (Even though its 3am ON A MONDAY MORNING).

    What needs to be changed is the balance. You cant do jack s**t if you are in TT server or TS server. DG & EB have 150+ more players than TT server and TS server still has 50 more. How is this at all "balanced". I gotta deal with 900 f***ing ping at 3:20am to 5:20am while being unable to score ANYTHING because im locked in my god damn base. This wouldnt be and issue if NW gear meant so much to upgrading a character.

    You need to mix the the servers together on entry. Let the squads be in the same nation together ofc. But for the love of Christ mix it up. All of TT server bloody hates this **** but we have to do it for NW gear. Soon we will stop as a server at this rate. Whats the point of attending when it is IMPOSSIBLE to win?

    Also where is this server located at? because it feels like EU server. On TT i get 300ish ping. So i doubt the cross server one is in NA.


    I really hope this **** gets addressed. Because this is just absolute garbage.
  • capnk
    capnk Posts: 486 Arc User
    Server is the old Raging Tides server, so East Coast.
  • mosz
    mosz Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    spaz95 said:

    Ok, so I have now only done 2 Cross server NW. Not only is it at the worst f***ing time possible 3am. Im stuck with a solid 900-1k ping throughout the whole god damn ordeal. The timezone bullcrap i can deal with (Even though its 3am ON A MONDAY MORNING).

    What needs to be changed is the balance. You cant do jack s**t if you are in TT server or TS server. DG & EB have 150+ more players than TT server and TS server still has 50 more. How is this at all "balanced". I gotta deal with 900 f***ing ping at 3:20am to 5:20am while being unable to score ANYTHING because im locked in my god damn base. This wouldnt be and issue if NW gear meant so much to upgrading a character.

    You need to mix the the servers together on entry. Let the squads be in the same nation together ofc. But for the love of Christ mix it up. All of TT server bloody hates this **** but we have to do it for NW gear. Soon we will stop as a server at this rate. Whats the point of attending when it is IMPOSSIBLE to win?

    Also where is this server located at? because it feels like EU server. On TT i get 300ish ping. So i doubt the cross server one is in NA.


    I really hope this **** gets addressed. Because this is just absolute garbage.

    3am??? so youre UTC+7? so you're either central russia (should be playing on RU server) or south east asia (which had CN, PH, MY servers..)

    ping...same issue... you shouldnt have that high ping even from that far away...you more than likely just have $@#$@ internet

    and nw gear means so much? yah true, but you dont need THAT many tokens personally to upgrade the gear(and except ring? all are tradeable..). SoW are tradeable as are rap/canny.

    your argument is absolute garbage, the only real point (which is poorly addressed) is that the nations are uneven, and should be mixed up.
  • baseaddress
    baseaddress Posts: 202 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Da players (european part) have more ping issues than all other servers. But NOONE complaining! Nations wouldn't be mixed up because there is no any servers (china, russia, brazil, malaysia etc) with this ****. Why? Because NW is competition between servers now. TT, stop QQing! Bring more demotivated players. Ti server did it!​​
  • perrion
    perrion Posts: 165 Arc User
    mosz said:



    and nw gear means so much? yah true, but you dont need THAT many tokens personally to upgrade the gear(and except ring? all are tradeable..). SoW are tradeable as are rap/canny.

    your argument is absolute garbage, the only real point (which is poorly addressed) is that the nations are uneven, and should be mixed up.

    Just because it's possible to buy tokens from others doesn't mean it's easy. The cost of Supply Tokens is more than 10x what it was a year ago. I happened to be near the forges the other day and was curious as to what the market was like currently. There wasn't a single shop selling SoWs. Not a single one.

    If you're unfortunate enough to need to upgrade NW gear on TT, you're stuck farming it yourself or paying through the nose, provided you can find a seller.

  • shopcheese
    shopcheese Posts: 758 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Da doesn't complain about ping because they are winning regardless. I wouldn't mind have another 300 ping if it meant I would get 4x the token with a guaranteed winning nation.
    However when you are loosing no matter what you do because of your server, it doesn't really help when you have more ping than normal on top of that as well.

    Well, in my case I actually have lower ping in NW as I'm European playing on west coast. But I can understand TTs frustrations...
  • jsxshadow
    jsxshadow Posts: 1,414 Arc User
    I have a steady 200-300 Ping during x-Server Stuffs. That is absolutely playable, coming from germany. Even at my GFs place with merely 6000 kbit's I still have the same ping.

    I made the suggestion to bring the regular NW back on fridays just a few moments after the first x-TW. Was ignored pretty much.

    I dont have any problem to get mixed Nations for X-NW, hell I would even like the idea very much. For now most fights are no challange at all (k, granted not even the 30-30 fights which is odd) and I hate the fact that I cant punch the faces of some DA people in from time to time xD

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  • catgirldesu
    catgirldesu Posts: 993 Arc User
    They should just let us have randomized NW. This is not China, we should have an NW that works for our version's needs. I think most people would be happier this way. Our GMs should try to bring it up to Wanmei and ask for this change. If they are persistent maybe Wanmei will do it.

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  • eranp
    eranp Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited November 2016
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  • chary
    chary Posts: 850 Arc User
    I'm pretty impartial with what lands I boost. If people ask me for it in nation chat or PMs, I'll boost provided it's a decent land. And I also pretty much solely use minor boosts so I can boost a greater number of lands overall.

    The burden also has to fall on those fighting sometimes, however. The one thing that helps immensely is simple communication. Especially which OP players from the enemy nation are in which lands. This is why you'll oftentimes see me say "X Player's squad in X land" in nation chat if my squad needs help with them. It usually attracts the other OP squads in our nation to come help and it also lets the commander know as well for calling it out and potential land boosting. But I guess opening the T screen is really hard.​​
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  • thedoc1212
    thedoc1212 Posts: 135 Arc User
    baseaddress said:

    Da players (european part) have more ping issues than all other servers. But NOONE complaining! Nations wouldn't be mixed up because there is no any servers (china, russia, brazil, malaysia etc) with this ****. Why? Because NW is competition between servers now. TT, stop QQing! Bring more demotivated players. Ti server did it!​​


    Lets start off on you being a prick and can't follow rules with your comment. We see that it had to have a edit by "Post edited by sylenthunder at February 21" along with the grammar your using is killing us. With your lack of brain cells and to "QQ" as you stated bring more people, how bout we just change the time and make it so more from the servers can make it. Try problem solving instead of your negative approach to how Twilight Temple people don't show up. Better yet add it back to the servers and make something else the reward for cross server that is less desired and make people stop logging all the alts to try and get more tokens cause they can't get many to begin with. As I stated problem solve instead of a negative approach to it. If you don't mind can you tell me what demotivated in the sentence "Bring more demotivated players." stands for? Thank for your time and I'll be awaiting your response.

    Have a good day baseaddress.

  • kartter
    kartter Posts: 152 Arc User
    catgirldesu said:

    They should just let us have randomized NW. This is not China, we should have an NW that works for our version's needs. I think most people would be happier this way. Our GMs should try to bring it up to Wanmei and ask for this change. If they are persistent maybe Wanmei will do it.



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    How you wanna randomize NW? About gears? Soulforce? How squads stays up, classes? Or im forced to go with randoms ? No ty
  • catgirldesu
    catgirldesu Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    kartter wrote: »
    How you wanna randomize NW? About gears? Soulforce? How squads stays up, classes? Or im forced to go with randoms ? No ty

    Like old NW. Different squads assigned to different Nations.

    People will form their desired squads inside the Gulch, which they already have to do anyway. The difference is that two (or more) squads from the same faction won't be able to work together if they end up in different Nations.

    That is the only way they can make NW more balanced, if people are tired of Dawnglory taking the first place every weekend. A three-server gank on Dawnglory will never work because the servers have proved being unable to work together.

    I don't care either way, as long as there are good fights to be fought. However, there are a lot of people who would like a change.

    Or, well, the other option is to bring back the old in-server NW. I doubt that will happen though.
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  • kartter
    kartter Posts: 152 Arc User
    Old in-server NW would be better i think...... no idea why they trying so hard with cross server events.
    Bring back old NW, and move back TWs to old times also.
  • spaz95
    spaz95 Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    mosz said:



    3am??? so youre UTC+7? so you're either central russia (should be playing on RU server) or south east asia (which had CN, PH, MY servers..)

    ping...same issue... you shouldnt have that high ping even from that far away...you more than likely just have $@#$@ internet

    and nw gear means so much? yah true, but you dont need THAT many tokens personally to upgrade the gear(and except ring? all are tradeable..). SoW are tradeable as are rap/canny.

    your argument is absolute garbage, the only real point (which is poorly addressed) is that the nations are uneven, and should be mixed up.




    I live in Australia... Where our primary language is English... Its not like I have a choice to play on the Chinese servers since i dont know how to read or speak Chinese

    I swear people always forget about Australia when i say my timezone. Also just to throw it in there. New Zealand has epic lag of 1k+ ping. Brush up on your geography mate.


    And on the West server of Twilight Temple i range between 300-500 ping. So why does NW jump to around 900-1k?

    Also i dont cash shop. So yes now i have to buy the 2billion coins worth of SoW just so i can do anything in pvp... 2billion coins isnt as easy as you think when you dont cash shop. Gonna take me a while to gather that coin. Oh and dont forget the 1.2 to 1.5bill just for SoT & the 800mill for the Broken Cube neck... Thats just all Ezpz isnt it?

    135k per NW token in TT sever currently and still climbing. Get off of your high horse.
  • mosz
    mosz Posts: 247 Arc User
    spaz95 said:

    mosz said:



    3am??? so youre UTC+7? so you're either central russia (should be playing on RU server) or south east asia (which had CN, PH, MY servers..)

    ping...same issue... you shouldnt have that high ping even from that far away...you more than likely just have $@#$@ internet

    and nw gear means so much? yah true, but you dont need THAT many tokens personally to upgrade the gear(and except ring? all are tradeable..). SoW are tradeable as are rap/canny.

    your argument is absolute garbage, the only real point (which is poorly addressed) is that the nations are uneven, and should be mixed up.




    I live in Australia... Where our primary language is English... Its not like I have a choice to play on the Chinese servers since i dont know how to read or speak Chinese

    I swear people always forget about Australia when i say my timezone. Also just to throw it in there. New Zealand has epic lag of 1k+ ping. Brush up on your geography mate.


    And on the West server of Twilight Temple i range between 300-500 ping. So why does NW jump to around 900-1k?

    Also i dont cash shop. So yes now i have to buy the 2billion coins worth of SoW just so i can do anything in pvp... 2billion coins isnt as easy as you think when you dont cash shop. Gonna take me a while to gather that coin. Oh and dont forget the 1.2 to 1.5bill just for SoT & the 800mill for the Broken Cube neck... Thats just all Ezpz isnt it?

    135k per NW token in TT sever currently and still climbing. Get off of your high horse.
    yah ok aussie gets the short end of a lot of online gaming, sucks;their international undersea lines suck, hence there are sites/discussions dedicated to which games have aussie/oceania servers....most realize this and choose their games accordingly, sorry i assumed too much from you

    about ping...well tt is west..and nw is east..so thats why extra ping..

    i dont cash shop either, never have, never had a sugar daddy/momma either..no it wasn't hard,5am NW sucked-only could go sometimes, i had most my nw gear done when SoW were 7.5-15m each at the start, if you're smart making coin(legally) is easier now than it was long ago
    also cube neck? why not .. do cube!?, and if you dont have a s4 neck and sot already well you're just really behind, and haven't even attempted to farm the cube, its 4 months of cog runs on 1 toon, and nw has been out how long? right over 2 years ago
  • eeepsilon
    eeepsilon Posts: 294 Arc User
    One of the things that the devs should do if they are not fixing this is at least nerf the commander system so we don't have the same people buying ballots.
    On the Etherblade server we have only 2 or 3 guys always rotating. These people have no interest in winning, nor the ability to command. But since they are rich in game they just buy a huge amount of ballots and always win.

    Since a commander get a big amount of tokens they can just use a fraction of that to pay those ballots. This turns in to a vicious circle with the same people getting more and more tokens and in game money.
    They should reduce the amount of tokens that this guys get to something more fair. It can still be more than the average player, but not the insane amount that they currently get.
  • mosz
    mosz Posts: 247 Arc User
    eeepsilon said:

    One of the things that the devs should do if they are not fixing this is at least nerf the commander system so we don't have the same people buying ballots.
    On the Etherblade server we have only 2 or 3 guys always rotating. These people have no interest in winning, nor the ability to command. But since they are rich in game they just buy a huge amount of ballots and always win.

    Since a commander get a big amount of tokens they can just use a fraction of that to pay those ballots. This turns in to a vicious circle with the same people getting more and more tokens and in game money.
    They should reduce the amount of tokens that this guys get to something more fair. It can still be more than the average player, but not the insane amount that they currently get.

    agreed,
    it wouldn't be so much of an issue if they werent Nwing on one toon and "commanding" on another
  • spaz95
    spaz95 Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    mosz said:




    yah ok aussie gets the short end of a lot of online gaming, sucks;their international undersea lines suck, hence there are sites/discussions dedicated to which games have aussie/oceania servers....most realize this and choose their games accordingly, sorry i assumed too much from you

    about ping...well tt is west..and nw is east..so thats why extra ping..

    i dont cash shop either, never have, never had a sugar daddy/momma either..no it wasn't hard,5am NW sucked-only could go sometimes, i had most my nw gear done when SoW were 7.5-15m each at the start, if you're smart making coin(legally) is easier now than it was long ago
    also cube neck? why not .. do cube!?, and if you dont have a s4 neck and sot already well you're just really behind, and haven't even attempted to farm the cube, its 4 months of cog runs on 1 toon, and nw has been out how long? right over 2 years ago

    Well i quit this game for awhile came back with a fresh start. No gear no coins the day Duskblades came out. So i have been a "new"player since that content update. So all i have achieved so far is r9 with the Broken cube neck and +7 w/ +10 weapon.

    As someone who doesnt farm and only merchants this is a pain in the ****. Its already around 42billion coins to get end game (no portal set). Im only like 5billion in that 42bill >.<

  • jamesmcd
    jamesmcd Posts: 89 Arc User
    How about for a single advertised week (so that people are aware it is happening), single server NW be temporarily reinstated on all servers at the times prior to the introduction of Xserver (i.e. 20:15 fridays and sundays Server time) and have x-server nw at the current time. And then take attendance numbers in the 5 minutes before the results are announced.


    If there are more people doing single server NW on both days, it would indicate that they are there for the supply tokens and not primarily there for pvp.

    If however there were more people attending Xserver than individual servers, then it would prove that people want inter-server pvp more than they want supply tokens and so the rewards from xserver NW can be scrapped.

    Simple experiment to see what the people want.

    I would guess that only DA would attend the xserver NW with a few rabid PVP people from the other nations, and the single server NWs would be full to overflowing on both days.


    Q: So what if there is a clash between single server NW and TW for some factions?

    A: They can choose to TW or they can choose to go to NW for supply tokens. Both are pvp so if the TWs are not attended it proves that people prefer getting supply tokens more than actually pvping.


    Personally, I chose a PVE server so I did not have to pvp but now, in order to upgrade my R9, I have to do NW or buy materials at an inflated price.


    p.s. I would certainly prefer the old times because getting up at 5:30am for a 6:15am start as it is now, is becoming onerous. (I live in Australia, you know, the place that spans 3 time zones but is not china, russia or Japan)
  • kartter
    kartter Posts: 152 Arc User
    This weekend's NW wasnt so bad ..... Not good idea to put NW & TW at same time. I understand your points about supply tokens, its rlly hard to farm on other servers. But you have motivation to make better teams, gear up and learn more pvp skills :)
  • standoffishman
    standoffishman Posts: 136 Arc User
    I see peoples point on NW tokens to an extent. Having said that when you get down to it I'm not sure it's that bad.

    I get it might be annoying compared to what you're used to, and that sucks. I'm in east coast Australia (qld) so the NW time and cross server TW time is more or less as bad as it could be for me.

    Having said that the NW system we have is very forgiving. For better or worse you don't really need to run that much NW to get your NW stuff. Sure assuming you want to never buy a SoW you'll have to run it a fair bit but we aren't talking years of running it every week or anything, you can miss weeks and keep the time frame reasonable. The only item that may take a long time is an adv WS weapon and that's only an issue because I can't assume the person knows what they are doing.

    Outside of that to be frank if you can afford items that really need NW stuff then you can afford the NW stuff. If you're selling the tokens instead then you'll actually do quite well under the current system in terms of profit, supply and demand and all that.

    For contrast if our NW system more resembled the system the rest of the world uses we'd have more of a problem. Mostly because getting all your NW stuff in say China is a really quite long task. I'd roughly compare it to farming the coins to buy the S packs to get a portal set over here, although it would be more accurate if S packs weren't a cash shop item.


    None of this is to say I think NW is a good system as it currently is. Really though the main problem is that it's painfully unfun in my experience. Server balance issues along with increased scale have just made this worse.

    Frankly it needs a complete rework. Working with what we have however I'd suggest something like the following:

    Retool rewards to favor damage slightly less aggressively and factor support in a bit more.

    Show names and servers on players by default. Color code the text if you like. I see no good reason to hide this from players. It removes peoples ability to keep track of who is who. Talking to people in game I also don't seem to be the only one moderately annoyed by dying to nameless players.

    Put in a very mild gear EQ. Right now gear is incredibly all over the place. I get people work hard for the gear they have and I'm not suggesting the advantage be taken away completely. In practice however the reduced organizational gap between TW and NW makes the gear situation extra unpleasant. Personally one shotting someone for 50k+ doesn't do a whole lot for me when I care relatively little about the overall outcome.
    In terms of details I'd say put in place a cap of 300 spirit and 50 attack/def levels (combined) as the maximum gap between two players when calculating damage done or taken. Gear would still play a very large roll but that would be enough to reduce the laughable situations of people hitting for sub 100 and the number of random one shots.

    Automatically give a full set of standard class buffs (level 10) to everyone on spawn. Doesn't really break anything and I see no problems with a slight indirect veno and archer buff. The main idea is that it evens things out in terms of buffs and reduces excessive consumable spam. Right now based off my observations a decent number of squad less players just half heatedly run around like headless chickens to get tokens while the clock runs down. The gear situation combined with the buff situation, the rather high cost of spamming SoDs and the consistent server loss can make it hard to care.
  • bangbang#0698
    bangbang#0698 Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    After changing NationWar's time SEVERAL TIMES, and trying to make it possible to all servers to be able to make a fair show up, yet the whole nation war is [REMOVED] UP and unbalanced. How ? why ? well if pwi GMs take a look at NationWar attendance and map. they will clearly see that there is always 2 nations (DA, ET) that have like 620+ members, and then there is TI with MAX 470 member. which part of it seems fair or balanced? when your nation is constantly locked and all fights around it is filled. In the end they will have like +1k nation point and TI 450+-.
    Now what is my suggestion ?
    Time zone is kinda [REMOVED] up cause no matter what u do one of the servers will have this issue. So instead fix reward system, by increasing the reward of that nation, that have less attendance than other nations. For each missing member add reward. this way nations with lowest members can have a better reward.
    Get your [REMOVED] together pwi. For sake of the game and its players.​​
  • kartter
    kartter Posts: 152 Arc User
    Hi,
    Do you remember how many ET has at first NWs? So much lower,,,follow them, get more ppl. Btw still get rekt by 25v40 maps, where u has no chance. GG.

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