Is it worth to spend real money?

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Is it worth to spend real money?
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  • mosz
    mosz Posts: 247 Arc User
    yes, you should have your entire paycheck direct deposited to PWE, well except the small part you pay someone to make you a non embarassing and non half page sized signature
  • dblazen1
    dblazen1 Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    You're not specifying on what, so here's a take at it:
    It's worth spending money when:
    • Paying rent
    • Buying food
    • Buying drinks (or paying for water)
    • Buying something fun
    • Paying for services you require... whatever they may be
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  • elyora2
    elyora2 Posts: 195 Arc User
    On the game? No. Topic closed.​​
  • armoftheland
    armoftheland Posts: 124 Arc User
    no. the terms of service state you don't own anything you obtain in game. you are giving your money away.​​
  • standoffishman
    standoffishman Posts: 136 Arc User
    armoftheland said:

    no. the terms of service state you don't own anything you obtain in game. you are giving your money away.​​

    You don't own lots of things you pay for. Doesn't mean you're wasting money by renting a house.

    You go to see a movie and you're paying for the experience. In our case the movie is exceptionally long and what you pay varies depending on what you want to see and experience. Yeah it'll end eventually but although pwe does a lot of dumb stuff they, mostly, aren't going to take stuff away for no reason.

    Also that non ownership clause is actually in a lot of aaa games nowadays. Hell they're actually prone to running for much, much shorter spans of time.
  • armoftheland
    armoftheland Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    standoffishman wrote: »
    no. the terms of service state you don't own anything you obtain in game. you are giving your money away.

    You don't own lots of things you pay for. Doesn't mean you're wasting money by renting a house.

    You go to see a movie and you're paying for the experience. In our case the movie is exceptionally long and what you pay varies depending on what you want to see and experience. Yeah it'll end eventually but although pwe does a lot of dumb stuff they, mostly, aren't going to take stuff away for no reason.

    Also that non ownership clause is actually in a lot of aaa games nowadays. Hell they're actually prone to running for much, much shorter spans of time.

    Thats fine if you are OK with paying 12k for movies with half the screen cutting out the whole time.​​
  • standoffishman
    standoffishman Posts: 136 Arc User
    armoftheland said:



    standoffishman wrote: »

    no. the terms of service state you don't own anything you obtain in game. you are giving your money away.



    You don't own lots of things you pay for. Doesn't mean you're wasting money by renting a house.



    You go to see a movie and you're paying for the experience. In our case the movie is exceptionally long and what you pay varies depending on what you want to see and experience. Yeah it'll end eventually but although pwe does a lot of dumb stuff they, mostly, aren't going to take stuff away for no reason.



    Also that non ownership clause is actually in a lot of aaa games nowadays. Hell they're actually prone to running for much, much shorter spans of time.


    Thats fine if you are OK with paying 12k for movies with half the screen cutting out the whole time.​​

    If you genuinely enjoy it as it is, and either spend 5000+ hours watching or make a hell of a lot of money then I see no problem with that. Even for more modest whales MMOs aren't an overtly expensive hobby relative to most others. Some will spend dubious amounts for their disposable income, however they really shouldn't take up golf either.

    Note yes mmos tend to be skinner boxes and have many potentially addictive elements. Unfortunately identification on the company side there is kinda hard even if they wanted to. Awareness to actually seek help for harmful or addicted behavior is also part of the problem. Also the small number of people who claim this over small **** don't help the problem because they tend to make people think it's simply not a thing.
  • armoftheland
    armoftheland Posts: 124 Arc User
    standoffishman wrote: »

    standoffishman wrote: »
    no. the terms of service state you don't own anything you obtain in game. you are giving your money away.



    You don't own lots of things you pay for. Doesn't mean you're wasting money by renting a house.



    You go to see a movie and you're paying for the experience. In our case the movie is exceptionally long and what you pay varies depending on what you want to see and experience. Yeah it'll end eventually but although pwe does a lot of dumb stuff they, mostly, aren't going to take stuff away for no reason.



    Also that non ownership clause is actually in a lot of aaa games nowadays. Hell they're actually prone to running for much, much shorter spans of time.



    Thats fine if you are OK with paying 12k for movies with half the screen cutting out the whole time.

    If you genuinely enjoy it as it is, and either spend 5000+ hours watching or make a hell of a lot of money then I see no problem with that. Even for more modest whales MMOs aren't an overtly expensive hobby relative to most others. Some will spend dubious amounts for their disposable income, however they really shouldn't take up golf either.

    Note yes mmos tend to be skinner boxes and have many potentially addictive elements. Unfortunately identification on the company side there is kinda hard even if they wanted to. Awareness to actually seek help for harmful or addicted behavior is also part of the problem. Also the small number of people who claim this over small **** don't help the problem because they tend to make people think it's simply not a thing.






    I'm sorry, I thought this thread was a question of opinion.

    My opinion is: Its not worth it to to invest substantial sums of money in intangible objects you cannot possess; Just like I do not invest in going to see movies, or rentals. That's non-debateable. Well, I mean you can tell me my opinion is wrong, but its still my opinion.

    Beyond that fact, your supporting evidence for why it IS worth it to invest money in PWI is lacking. Your sole argument is that my reasons are false "Because: addiction help isn't the responsibility of the game companies." I mean, what? This doesn't directly support investing in PWI nor does it prove that my opinion is found on false impressions, since no one here mentioned gaming addiction. "Because: all MMOs do it" still doesn't change anything. My saying it's not worth it in the case of PWI is not necessarily exclusive.

    PWI can decide to deliver or not anything you choose to spend money on. When I said that you give your money away it was a clear and very concise statement because I didn't feel the need to justify every detail, mostly because I didn't think some die hard would start a full on debate about it. It's not just a question of going to see a movie or renting a house. PWI can have server issues, your weapon could disappear in an update, your character could be deleted and they are at no obligation to return it. And trust me, it has happened to people, there are posts on the forums.

    And your supporting evidence is incorrect. Renting a house; you can have plumbing issues, the heater could stop working, the walls could cave inwards (well use these as examples as it's very unlikely that the house would disappear). Would you still pay rent if your landlord refused to fix these problems?

    Thats the difference. In one situation there are actual repurcussions if something goes wrong. Landlords are bound by law to fix issues. If they refuse to take responsibility they can be prompted by tenancy governments to reimburse their tenants rent, damage deposits, and nullify agreements. Likewise, a movie theatre is bound by law to deliver the service they are selling: The movie. If they refuse to show you the movie, you can report them to receive a reimbursement.

    With PWI if they delivered you your zen, your artificial currency, and the items you spent your money on mysteriously disappear, what repercussions do you have? Nil.

    Again, it's my opinion. If your opinion is that you like seeing a lot of partial movies, then go for it. But my opinion still stands that PWI is not worth investing in.​​
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  • standoffishman
    standoffishman Posts: 136 Arc User
    armoftheland said:


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    It's up to the person to decide if it's worth spending the money. They know the experience without money, they can make a pretty good guess what it's like with money.

    Only reason I replied is because it felt like someone telling someone else not to go outside because they might get hit by lightning or a jet might fall on them.

    There are lots of possible reasons not to spend money on this game. The exceedingly low chance of randomly losing stuff while doing no wrong along with the eventual server shut down in my experience actually effects peoples purchases in practice very, very rarely.
  • shade13
    shade13 Posts: 633 Arc User
    As a person who has always liked CSers (who else will sell you pack stuff, ask advice about gearing up without setting limits like "but I have 100mil for all only and I wanna pvp char", come to pvp on your side with all his cs'ed gear which smoothens yours and his necessity of skills? pig-2.gif) I would say that if the game entertains you, it is worth it. But
    standoffishman wrote: »
    There are lots of possible reasons not to spend money on this game. The exceedingly low chance of randomly losing stuff while doing no wrong along with the eventual server shut down in my experience actually effects peoples purchases in practice very, very rarely.
    I'm pretty sure this is NOT the reason NOT to CS =) Bugs and random stuff happens in many games. Randomness is essential here, but still you can get a lot even counting random factor and be one of the best if you can cs that much.

    There is another reason though, connected with balance only.
    standoffishman wrote: »
    It's up to the person to decide if it's worth spending the money. They know the experience without money, they can make a pretty good guess what it's like with money.
    I'm seriously worried about future updates China prepared for PW. They are driving the game to the path I don't understand and can't fully accept, unless there is something unannounced left. Not knowing where China is driving doesn't encourage me to recommend investing anything here. Maybe I exaggerate, balancing classes was +/- bearable untill recently. Now I don't know. I've been playing this game for 7 years and for the first time I have nothing to say on the question if one should start playing it at all monkey-19.gif
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  • mysterkid
    mysterkid Posts: 4 Arc User
    honestly i have to say no. Their is a pretty bad gm atm and he is tossing out banns left and right. If you put money on the game you might be left with a sad face when navi banns you.
  • armoftheland
    armoftheland Posts: 124 Arc User
    standoffishman wrote: »
    It's up to the person to decide if it's worth spending the money. They know the experience without money, they can make a pretty good guess what it's like with money.

    If the person making the post felt that way they wouldn't ask for peoples opinions on what they should do.
    standoffishman wrote: »
    Only reason I replied is because it felt like someone telling someone else not to go outside because they might get hit by lightning or a jet might fall on them.

    I didn't say don't go outside, i said don't spend money on a dying game. Bugs and issues with gear is only one aspect of a myriad of issues. Look at the forum. Not every MMO takes 6 months to a year to answer questions and solve issues. Taking a step outside this house you have about a 99% chance of getting struck by lightning. And if it's not lightning its a jet plane.

    And fact of the matter is with the rate of the declining population in this game you have about a 50% chance in the next year to decide that chancing it outside probably wasn't worth it after all. Staying inside you have a much higher rate of survival.​​
  • laiwaisan
    laiwaisan Posts: 1,123 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    i usually spend 20-30 a month on this game its my go to joy i quit smoking and i quit Starbucks which is like over 100 a month so i think im doing ok only thing i dont like is support which is usually cut and paste standard we are aware of the problem added with sorry we do not have the capability to send items threw in game mail translation we jacked you feeling is what you get.

    heres the thing they can send almost anything even add codes before maintenance tied to your account i know from personal experience because i actually got support from some one that gave a you know what.

    After verifying everything i said and that my account was eligible for the gift i got a code with the words bound to your account make sure to send it to the character you want to use it on.

    so i know for a fact pwi can send your stuff but will they prob not

    so i would be very careful on spending money right now theirs a situation where people spend 50 dollars on something that does not work because the npc associated with it is missing even after being aware of it they didn't take it off there shelf until several people bought it.
  • skyurr
    skyurr Posts: 35 Arc User
    no no no and no, pwi are not getting anymore of my money, I have spent enough :), they are getting to greedy imo.
  • laiwaisan
    laiwaisan Posts: 1,123 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    They prob get more of my money if i didn't feel like i was getting screwed for example incentive rewards i guess they didnt have to honor example i took a snap shot of one of there promotion page it lists to qualify for a S-chest not S-pack all i have to do is buy Hidden Orchid Treasure Trove and get a S-chest for geting lucky coin which every pack gives so its a guaranteed S-card freaking awesome promotion right plus the Hidden Orchid Treasure Trove are on sale.

    Well i bought 200 Hidden Orchid Treasure Trove put one in every toons bag that i have on my acount and open one so i should get a S-chest for all toons,

    You think Pwi well honor it hell no lol.

    i have snap shot of the promo a snap shot and copy of my recipt when i got gold and what i spend it on the period of qualifying for this and i bet you if i send them a ticket they will make up some reason why they wont honor it.

    personal experience i even seen them go back and re edit the page in the past to reword it so not to honor there promotions.

    however i know that pwi not to long ago may of become privately own was the rumor so maybe there different now vs when they were not.

    I think its refering to this http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-26/perfect-world-chairman-taking-company-private-through-buyout but not sure so it be interesting to see if its the old pwi still or if its run differently ill go put in a ticket just to see i think i already know the outcome tho lol
  • standoffishman
    standoffishman Posts: 136 Arc User
    laiwaisan said:

    They prob get more of my money if i didn't feel like i was getting screwed for example incentive rewards i guess they didnt have to honor example i took a snap shot of one of there promotion page it lists to qualify for a S-chest not S-pack all i have to do is buy Hidden Orchid Treasure Trove and get a S-chest for geting lucky coin which every pack gives so its a guaranteed S-card freaking awesome promotion right plus the Hidden Orchid Treasure Trove are on sale.

    Well i bought 200 Hidden Orchid Treasure Trove put one in every toons bag that i have on my acount and open one so i should get a S-chest for all toons,

    You think Pwi well honor it hell no lol.

    i have snap shot of the promo a snap shot and copy of my recipt when i got gold and what i spend it on the period of qualifying for this and i bet you if i send them a ticket they will make up some reason why they wont honor it.

    personal experience i even seen them go back and re edit the page in the past to reword it so not to honor there promotions.

    however i know that pwi not to long ago may of become privately own was the rumor so maybe there different now vs when they were not.

    I think its refering to this http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-26/perfect-world-chairman-taking-company-private-through-buyout but not sure so it be interesting to see if its the old pwi still or if its run differently ill go put in a ticket just to see i think i already know the outcome tho lol

    It is and always was two thousand and sixteen lucky coins not one. They were repeatable promotions so otherwise they'd be giving out thousands of S chests. Roughly speaking you had to open 2500ish hidden orchid packs within the time period to obtain an S chest. This makes sense given that S chests are worth at least 100 gold each.

    I'm not saying pwe never does anything wrong but please try to check things before you accuse them of stuff. It's not helpful and having people frequently accuse them of things they didn't do makes both them and the player base care less when they really mess up or are doing something dubious.
  • laiwaisan
    laiwaisan Posts: 1,123 Arc User
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/pwi/news/detail/9777513-lunar-new-year-events

    Event Three:
    Bonus Rewards from the Hidden Orchid Treasure Trove Pack

    What is better than a 25 cent Hidden Orchid Treasure Trove? How about getting Bonus Rewards as well!

    How to participate:

    During the Hidden Orchid Treasure Trove sale from 02/07 - 02/10, any character that collects the following items from the chance box will earn these FREE bonus rewards!

    1) Lucky coins: 2016
    - Bonus Item: 1 War Avatar Chest S
  • laiwaisan
    laiwaisan Posts: 1,123 Arc User
    this was page shown as advertisement on pwi does not sate how many lucky coins how ever to get a second one was insane and to get the dust was insane i think also did not mention 1 per acount etc i figure like there log in promo per toon
  • scruncy
    scruncy Posts: 458 Arc User
    its clearly stated that you need 2016 lucky coins.
  • standoffishman
    standoffishman Posts: 136 Arc User
    laiwaisan said:

    this was page shown as advertisement on pwi does not sate how many lucky coins how ever to get a second one was insane and to get the dust was insane i think also did not mention 1 per acount etc i figure like there log in promo per toon

    You copied it right there. "1) Lucky coins: 2016 "

    Note coins not coin and the number 2016 following it.

    The second one was indeed very difficult although many people got the third with multiple repeats myself included.

    Also the following post by mint is literally directly bellow one of your posts in a thread about the topic:
    mintsummer said:

    There were some delays on the Fashion sets. And please allow 1-2 hours to receive your login reward. (I got mine in 5mins :wink: )
    For the Hidden Orchid Pack event
    Time: 02/07(01:00 AM) -02/10(01:00 AM)
    Repeatable: Yes, it is repeatable. And We DON'T have repeatable times limitation! It is saying, if you collect 20160 lucky coins from the Hidden Orchid Pack between certain time, you will get 10 War Avatar Chest S!
    If you don't keep all items in your inventory between 02/07 - 02/10, you are not qualified for the bonus reward.

  • laiwaisan
    laiwaisan Posts: 1,123 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Your right some reason i asociated 2016 with the date or something yup my bad
  • kittythecat2013
    kittythecat2013 Posts: 55 Arc User
    OFC it is worth spending "your" money. o.o
    Otherwise who is going to pay for the server maintenance and keep us playing?
  • joecisco
    joecisco Posts: 102 Arc User
    Hmmm what do I do?

    A. Buy a brand new car.
    B. Spend money on PWI to be "Pro".

    Well, it's not like I'm planning on getting up anytime soon....​​
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  • laiwaisan
    laiwaisan Posts: 1,123 Arc User
    both buy car and spend money on pwi its worth it
  • jabq
    jabq Posts: 821 Arc User
    joecisco wrote: »
    Hmmm what do I do?

    A. Buy a brand new car.
    B. Spend money on PWI to be "Pro".

    Well, it's not like I'm planning on getting up anytime soon....

    the better decision is, buy car, rent it out. Use the rent money to pay for pwi. If you buy and use your own car, the fuel expense, repair expense will keep on rising. This way you get to own a new car and pay for pwi.

    As for OP, it really depends on how far you want to go. F2P can still be done, but it is much harder to farm/merchant money to reach endgame gear with current inflation.​​
  • standoffishman
    standoffishman Posts: 136 Arc User
    jabq said:



    joecisco wrote: »

    Hmmm what do I do?



    A. Buy a brand new car.

    B. Spend money on PWI to be "Pro".



    Well, it's not like I'm planning on getting up anytime soon....


    the better decision is, buy car, rent it out. Use the rent money to pay for pwi. If you buy and use your own car, the fuel expense, repair expense will keep on rising. This way you get to own a new car and pay for pwi.



    As for OP, it really depends on how far you want to go. F2P can still be done, but it is much harder to farm/merchant money to reach endgame gear with current inflation.​​

    I can't completely tell if your car comment is a super flat joke or not. Either way.

    In most of the developed world that's either illegal if not done correctly or, if using just one car, basically guaranteed to lose money after fully considering costs if it's kept on the up and up. Depending on the details it may very well lose money even if you completely disregard the government.



    On the off chance the original car question was serious it depends where you are and what you do. Both sound super frivolous given you're asking. If that's true just make a guess which one will be more fun and run with it. Make very careful use of promos if you plan to use four figures at once.
  • koudelkamorgan
    koudelkamorgan Posts: 140 Arc User
    I would say no definitely not worth your money. It used to be, but if you've bothered to view these forums at any point in the last couple years you'd see nothing positive. Lately you don't even really see anything negative very often either.

    When no one is talking about your game, and people are leaving it in record numbers month after month then its probably time to go.

    I stay because I want to be the last one, the last person left at the end of the world. Its been years since I've bought anything here, and since new fashion end up in packs anyways there isn't anything I'd even buy if I did want to support it.

    Lucky for the rest of us that there are probably a few people out there who are spending 100k a month or more on it though.
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  • standoffishman
    standoffishman Posts: 136 Arc User
    koudelkamorgan said:

    I would say no definitely not worth your money. It used to be, but if you've bothered to view these forums at any point in the last couple years you'd see nothing positive. Lately you don't even really see anything negative very often either.

    When no one is talking about your game, and people are leaving it in record numbers month after month then its probably time to go.

    I stay because I want to be the last one, the last person left at the end of the world. Its been years since I've bought anything here, and since new fashion end up in packs anyways there isn't anything I'd even buy if I did want to support it.

    Lucky for the rest of us that there are probably a few people out there who are spending 100k a month or more on it though.

    I get you feel like going full bitter vet on this but most of this is fairly clearly untrue...

    There's upwards of half a dozen threads on the first page of GD that have positive or negative things to say about the game. It slants moderately negative but not more than one would expect for an mmo.

    They will shut down the servers well before you're the only one on so not sure what you're getting at. Also we got new non pack fashion like two weeks ago which is actually the newest fashion right now so it might be a bad time to claim that one.

    I can't speak for complete certainty on other servers but nobody on TT is spending 100,000 USD per month. Not even close. Yes there are a few people who spend a lot of money. However 1.2 million a year is a massive exaggeration, there's nothing to even spend that much on. Even just spending one hundred thousand once will more or less get you everything you could want outside of alts.
  • catgirldesu
    catgirldesu Posts: 993 Arc User
    We've had a lot of fashion released in the boutique, actually. Some of the fashion was/is even pack fashion that was/is added to the boutique temporarily.

    Problems with customer support and negativity/complaints on forums are hardly something unique to PWI. These things along with dissatisfied players threatening or claiming they are quitting can also be found in other MMOs, even ones that have been released recently and are barely two months old, like a certain new MMO.

    As far as spending goes, technically it's never worth spending money on MMORPGs. Items in the boutique/cash shop/marketplace or however they are called in each MMO, are usually rarely worth their price. This is especially true for things like fashion, costumes, mounts and flyers (or variations of those, depending on what each MMO has). Sales happen, but not when they are brand new. Even then, sales don't necessary make the item prices that much better.

    There are other things to consider like the fact that you'll never reach endgame because the goal always moves so that people can always have a (distant) goal to work towards. The list goes on.

    It's a matter of if an MMORPG offers enough entertainment to a person that they decide it's worth spending x amount of money on it. Either to support the game, or because they have some (or a lot) of spare money and they choose to spend it here over somewhere else.


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