What should we do to stop bots messing up at advanced grinding machine?

You left off the option "Spam the Support Team with tickets until something is done." ​​

where is the option : Remove all JoJ quests ?

The solution is not to remove JOJ completely. For some people JOJ is the only way to make coins due to various reason.The solution is that PWE to actually do something again people that cheat the system. If PWE should remove things from game just cause some people are cheating how about we remove FSP since some people are using alts to solo FSP. Or remove JFSP since squads are using a sin to exploit a glitch and kill the last boss. Remove Twilight Temple since people are loging 4 alts in same time to open it when only 2 chars in same time is alowed. Damn...remove everyting were people can cheat to make it easier and faster.

kmnsenpai wrote: »

Yeah, but remember that since everybody can have up to 2 accounts, the max number of toons they can use to do JOJ is .....derp

I'm sorry, that's just too funny.

1. How many people actually follow the 2-account rule? (That weren't grandfathered in by having a hundred accounts before the rule was instated.)
2. It's really easy to see when you have Sylen1, Sylen2, Sylen3, Sylen4, Sylen5, Sylen6. ect. all botting the area at once. So maybe you cannot see easily who is under the limit, but you can definitely see who is over it. Assume the rest are under. (BTW, this was just an example. I only have like 8 or 9 accounts, am under the grandfather clause, and rarely log on more than one acccount at a time unless I'm running a catshop or testing.)​​

I never used mentioned above quest for grinding purposes. My accounts are for my personal (not AFK) game, not for work. If game require bot to play, then those is not game.

Limiting the possible digs to 3 would remove this issue for the most part. The exception is when it comes to people who third party bot farm with massive amounts of toons digging it, but as always this is the kind of problem that any other game would just solve by hiring enough GMs to manage inquiries. We cannot expect a solution to this anytime soon, if at all. Ticket spam might get the occasional third party botter banned, but it's just as likely to result in zero action. After all, this is the type of management which you can submit 42 different screenshots of harassment by one person and they won't be banned (god only knows why, perhaps because they cash shop). It's not realistic to expect anything like this fixed ever.

standoffishman said:

Honestly I'd say remove the JoJ quests completely. Most people who are actually under 80 and brand new don't even know these quests exist from what I've seen. If we need another coin source for high level players put in one that's less prone to abuse. As it currently stands it seems like 80%+ of the coins coming into the game from this quest involve some degree of abuse.

People who run PvE factions for newbies and others such as myself have to disagree with you. While it is true that Jolly Jones quest is not known by all newbies, the ones that do know it use it a lot and need it badly as preparation for their lvl80-99 stages of development, or else they are forced to rely on their faction/friends/random WC helpers for Quicksand Maze or TT gear. Nobody wants to rely on others the entire way up in a game which is increasingly focusing its population down to the endgame PvP groups (at least that's what I've seen going on in Etherblade server).

I do agree that Jolly Jones abuse is a source of too much coin in the economy, but removing it entirely without warning could leave many newbies completely out of a coin source except for questing, which does not provide nearly enough coin for gear upgrades . How do you expect a TT90 cleric, for example, to farm full TT99 gear without any assistance from people who are probably endgame and give them no real exposure to the content? Jolly Jones is the only answer to that. If you remove JJ quests, that will only increase the amount of WC spam of newbies asking for help because they literally cannot farm coins until they're lvl100. They're forced to either merch (not for everybody) or rely on others the entire way. Neither of which is ideal for anyone.

Unfortunately, we are in a situation where keeping JJ is bad for the economy, but removing it could be very bad for the newbie population. We need an alternative to replace JJ which does not ruin the economy, has fair limits, and if possible cannot be heavily exploited. Perhaps we need an alternative that allows similar quality farming in the 80-95 range which can theoretically be solo'd at that level, since you can pretty easily gear yourself up to 70 from quests and BH instances.

silvasunrise said:

Limiting the possible digs to 3 would remove this issue for the most part. The exception is when it comes to people who third party bot farm with massive amounts of toons digging it, but as always this is the kind of problem that any other game would just solve by hiring enough GMs to manage inquiries. We cannot expect a solution to this anytime soon, if at all. Ticket spam might get the occasional third party botter banned, but it's just as likely to result in zero action. After all, this is the type of management which you can submit 42 different screenshots of harassment by one person and they won't be banned (god only knows why, perhaps because they cash shop). It's not realistic to expect anything like this fixed ever.

standoffishman said:

Honestly I'd say remove the JoJ quests completely. Most people who are actually under 80 and brand new don't even know these quests exist from what I've seen. If we need another coin source for high level players put in one that's less prone to abuse. As it currently stands it seems like 80%+ of the coins coming into the game from this quest involve some degree of abuse.

People who run PvE factions for newbies and others such as myself have to disagree with you. While it is true that Jolly Jones quest is not known by all newbies, the ones that do know it use it a lot and need it badly as preparation for their lvl80-99 stages of development, or else they are forced to rely on their faction/friends/random WC helpers for Quicksand Maze or TT gear. Nobody wants to rely on others the entire way up in a game which is increasingly focusing its population down to the endgame PvP groups (at least that's what I've seen going on in Etherblade server).

I do agree that Jolly Jones abuse is a source of too much coin in the economy, but removing it entirely without warning could leave many newbies completely out of a coin source except for questing, which does not provide nearly enough coin for gear upgrades . How do you expect a TT90 cleric, for example, to farm full TT99 gear without any assistance from people who are probably endgame and give them no real exposure to the content? Jolly Jones is the only answer to that. If you remove JJ quests, that will only increase the amount of WC spam of newbies asking for help because they literally cannot farm coins until they're lvl100. They're forced to either merch (not for everybody) or rely on others the entire way. Neither of which is ideal for anyone.

Unfortunately, we are in a situation where keeping JJ is bad for the economy, but removing it could be very bad for the newbie population. We need an alternative to replace JJ which does not ruin the economy, has fair limits, and if possible cannot be heavily exploited. Perhaps we need an alternative that allows similar quality farming in the 80-95 range which can theoretically be solo'd at that level, since you can pretty easily gear yourself up to 70 from quests and BH instances.

I do think that the new players that join a faction like yours are the minority. Having said that you do make a good point. Why not triple the coins from white quests? It won't make anybody rich or pay for full tt99 but it's a solid chuck of coins and neither will JJ if used normally. Not to mention it's rather hard to abuse short of very complex bots.

That won't pay for a full set of tt99, but a full set of tt99 is over 100m and I see no reason why they need tt99 before they do stuff like BH, cube (cogs), FSD or NW. Frankly they should be fine using morai stuff near as I can tell. Not that JJ helps them here anyway unless they stall at 80 for months on end.

darky26 said:

standoffishman said:

Honestly I'd say remove the JoJ quests completely. Most people who are actually under 80 and brand new don't even know these quests exist from what I've seen. If we need another coin source for high level players put in one that's less prone to abuse. As it currently stands it seems like 80%+ of the coins coming into the game from this quest involve some degree of abuse.

I knew about JoJ quests at that level and I'm not a very high level player. I'm not even reborn yet. I can't solo TT and high level instances to sell mats and other things, and right now I can't CS. So in few words JoJ is my only way of having coins. Some quests give coins too. But one has to take into consideration the time needed, repairs, costs, e.t.c.

Just because some people are breaking the rules, should the people not breaking the rules be punished? Shouldn't it be the other way around? It's the first time that I'm seeing the suggestion of causing problem to people just cause they go by the book and don't exploit things.

If people see exploits and are sure they are exploits, they could report them. If this will solve it I do not know, but it's a start. Plus the suggestions that the OP posted aren't bad. There are several options to please everyone without JoJ quests being removed.

What would be the problem with just tripling white quest rewards for relevant level ranges after removing JJ as I suggested above? Low level players really don't have that much stuff they actually need before they are 100 rb1 and frankly JJ is only a great coin source if you abuse the **** out of it anyway.

When I say abuse I don't strictly refer to people breaking the EULA. If someone had 300 accounts before the 2 account clause that they grandfathered in then that doesn't break the rules. If they use ISBoxer purely for login, window management and key to window/character assignment this also breaks no rules. With this they can quite practically make over a billion coins in pure coin every week just off JJ. Depending on PC specs and if they want to watch tv while they do it that will take them only 1-2 hours per day to do after it's all set up. Likely more right now but only because they will have a hard time getting enough perfect flesh legitimately and quickly, which people are suggesting be fixed.

I would also mention that as a user it's basically completely impossible to actually tell when someone is breaking rules with JJ because it's such a simple task and we don't know when accounts were made.

With regards to people not breaking the rules being punished in an ideal world no. In practice however that's generally how the world works. If most (and I do mean most as is the case here) of a countries welfare claims are fraud they should absolutely crack down on that and yes that will suck for people using the system legitimately but it's the best option they have.

This can be seen within PWI in the removal of the DQ system, reductions to coin drops, raising requirements for NW, the mere existence of our in built botting system and the fact the game now assumes everyone can bot.

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First thing : ppl do OJJ to get coins in the game because PWI mess up lot off another options. So Best would be in this case:

Stop looking at China and bring back the old ways to get coins!
Remove the Autogrind Options( we should never got it in the game for a start!)
Bring Back DQ like promissed years ago!
And start make it possible to Farm R9 in the game.

And get all GM out off the game who cant keep to a rule! Banned is Banned! You cant behave in a game then you have no business to ruin the game for anothers. Personel I'm sick on all the sex talk; the way ppl need to ks or talk ppl down. ITs a game so lets make sure ppl have fun!