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  • koudelkamorgankoudelkamorgan Posts: 140 Arc User
    Woah...waxing crescent is going to make rapid growth jealous. Tyvm ._.
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  • dingo488dingo488 Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    8m AoE reel in? All AoE skills alrdy have at least an 8m radius, what is this reel in supposed to add to that?

    Or is it like with Stormbringers, is it a repeated effect? Because that would be pretty strong, otherwise seems pretty useless to me, waste of 50 chi xD



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  • hypereccentrikhypereccentrik Posts: 529 Arc User
    Yay, Assassin updates \o/

    And all skills I use too! ( except for that last one, no clue what that is xD)
  • shivydrasicshivydrasic Posts: 21 Arc User
    that sb ultimate is awesome!

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  • bloodedone87bloodedone87 Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    Mel will have a live tomorrow when the expansion will be released in China. So for those who wants to learn more they should watch:
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  • jadasiajadasia Posts: 520 Arc User
    edited November 2015



    chary wrote: »

    The damage component seems to be single target or at least there's no mention of aoe outside of those effects.



    "The Taming of the art to the limit of Yaozu secret law. Target

    Made 5 attacks, resulting in total additional basic magic attack

    850% attack power equipment, wood system damage plus 8242.



    Skills 2 Add the following effects:

    Section: Summon Ming Zun Phoenix, which makes around itself within 12 meters

    The enemy fixed body 5 seconds;

    Sec: Call Juling Shen, which makes around itself within 12 meters of

    Enemy hurt deepened by 20% for 6 seconds;

    Three sections: Summon nine Kunpeng, which makes around itself within 12 meters

    The enemy a little less real dollars;

    Four: Summon Monkey, which makes around itself within 12 meters

    The enemy magic defense reduced by 100% for 6 seconds;

    Five sections: Summon battle droids, which removes itself around 12

    Positive state enemies within meters."



    At first I thought it did like five attacks or something, but makes most sense that it probably depends on pet summoned and, reading it again, seems like the attack will be coming from the pet.


    Hmm, well, until we get an official translation or information from someone who has tried the skill out, we won't know for sure how it works, but so far I don't quite like it. I just see too many drawbacks/concerns so in such a case I'd rather a weaker skill that I can use better than something with strong damage and effect but has these... weird requirements. fox-16.gif



    "I do hope it doesn't come from the pet though. That means you need to send it in the crowd to apply the AOE bonus effects, but that just makes it easier to get the pet killed. I mean... a Venomancer sitting there casting a skill for 5 seconds (channeling + casting) with a pet in the crowd? That's preeeetty obvious lol.



    That's not to say I won't try to find the best use for this skill, but in theory it is weird. Anyway, thank you very much for all the translation work you're doing. It's really helpful. I didn't actually thank you in my first post.
    ​​"

    That skill which makes my monkey non-selectable for 6 seconds will really come in handy when I send it into a PvP zhen crowd, LOL

    Actually I rather have the chi drain on the monkey instead of the harpy though. AoE stun + AoE chi drain would be fun
  • cococyacococya Posts: 168 Arc User
    Chi drain, a pvp skill, on the harpy, a pve pet, is the most idiotic idea ever.
    I hope there will be adjustments added to that veno ulti, at this point I'm not very happy with it much, however the other skills are actually great and useful.
    ​​
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  • taisenofazureskytaisenofazuresky Posts: 5 Arc User
    chary said:

    Wizard~



    Distance Shrink

    Instant Channel

    10s cooldown



    Uses the magical lines of the earth to teleport yourself 25 meters forward. Stealthed during the blink/move time.



    Costs 20 Chi.

    Sage+demon versions same as they are now.



    Force of Will

    Range 30 meters

    Channel 0.5 seconds

    Cast 2.0 seconds

    Cooldown 20 seconds

    Chi Gained 10



    Launch an orb of force at a spell-casting opponent.

    Interrupts the target's channeling, and prevents

    them from casting spells for 5 seconds.



    Sage+demon versions same as they are now.



    BIDSSSSSSSSS

    Range 30 meters

    Channel 4.0 seconds

    Cast 1.6 seconds

    Cooldown 30.0 seconds



    Summon an icy dragon that smashes into all

    enemies within 12 meters of the target.

    Deals base magic damage plus 750% of weapon

    damage plus 16367 as Water damage. Slow enemies for 8 seconds.



    Costs 2 sparks.

    Sage+demon versions same as they are now.



    Creation Law of God Possessed

    1s channel time

    1s cast time

    300s cooldown



    Increases skill damage by 50% in exchange for taking 50% increased damage for Xsec.





    Blademaster~



    Reel-In

    Range 25 meters

    Cast 2.0 seconds

    Cooldown 120.0 seconds



    Reels-in target and surrounding enemies within 8m.

    100% accuracy.



    Not sure how to translate this: "Consume their own strength cited bleeding prison dragon soul,

    And into a deadly noose, ghost escape."



    Costs 50 chi.



    Roar of the Pride

    Range 5m

    Channel 0.6 seconds

    Cast 1.8 seconds

    Cooldown 15 seconds



    Roar with fury, stunning and disarming all enemies within 10 meters for 6 seconds.



    Costs 35 chi.

    Sage+demon versions same as they are now.



    Drake Ray

    Range 10 meters

    Channel 0.2 seconds

    Cast 0.5 seconds

    Cooldown 6.0 seconds

    Chi Gained 10



    Create a swift psionic blade to

    attack enemies from afar, dealing

    base physical damage plus 6747.

    Has a 66% chance to give double range? for 3sec.



    Sage+demon versions same as they are now.



    Creation Valkyrie Possessed

    0.6s channel time

    0.9s cast time

    300s cooldown



    I think this is either a damage absorption or some kind of attack modifier that lasts for Xsec.



    If anyone wants to have a go at it:

    "Move near God, the world No aspirant. Valkyrie into the

    Body, sustained% d seconds, every cast an injury during the skills,

    The next time damage skills by injury 10%, the maximum can be superimposed to

    100%."​​

    ^> Last BM ulti, for those of you wondering, its ramping dmg. I beleive its for 20 seconds every skill the BM uses increase the BMs dmg by 10% stacking up to 100% dmg
  • catgirldesucatgirldesu Fluffy Fox Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    cococya wrote: »
    Chi drain, a pvp skill, on the harpy, a pve pet, is the most idiotic idea ever.
    I hope there will be adjustments added to that veno ulti, at this point I'm not very happy with it much, however the other skills are actually great and useful.

    Agreed. They should have made the bonus effect work with any pet, it would just be random. It'd be like how Myriad Rainbow works, except that it's always guaranteed to proc something (if pet is out) and only procs one of the effects.
    Or just swap the effect with the Monkey. At least a 100% debuff has uses in PvE, but why would anyone use it there when it consumes a material you need for your new weapon anyway (well that's what someone said, I don't know if it's true). monkey-43.gif

    ​​
  • solamniesolamnie Posts: 24 Arc User
    Where are barb skills :(
  • eirghaneirghan Posts: 1,912 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Actually i really like the idea of variety of skill effects based on pet summoned. It will create more of a need for venos to get creative with their pets rather than just have one good one. Sure i love my monkey but my nix is neglected and feeling cramped in my pet bag. Id love to have a use for him. My frog too.

    Yes my nix is a him. What about it?

    Harpy with chi drain though is the craziest thing ive ever heard unless theres something im missing about mobs with chi...


    Which pet is juling shen? Isnt that a lion?
  • charychary Posts: 850 Arc User
    eirghan wrote: »
    Which pet is juling shen? Isnt that a lion?

    Pretty sure it's Hercules.​​
  • catgirldesucatgirldesu Fluffy Fox Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    eirghan wrote: »
    Actually i really like the idea of variety of skill effects based on pet summoned. It will create more of a need for venos to get creative with their pets rather than just have one good one. Sure i love my monkey but my nix is neglected and feeling cramped in my pet bag. Id love to have a use for him. My frog too.

    Yes my nix is a him. What about it?

    Harpy with chi drain though is the craziest thing ive ever heard unless theres something im missing about mobs with chi...


    Which pet is juling shen? Isnt that a lion?

    I don't really see requiring Legendary pets as making Venomancers get creative. monkey-27.gif That's why I think it should have worked with any pet. I mean, I do like the variety but not in this form. XD​​
  • jadasiajadasia Posts: 520 Arc User
    edited November 2015



    eirghan wrote: »

    Actually i really like the idea of variety of skill effects based on pet summoned. It will create more of a need for venos to get creative with their pets rather than just have one good one. Sure i love my monkey but my nix is neglected and feeling cramped in my pet bag. Id love to have a use for him. My frog too.



    Yes my nix is a him. What about it?



    Harpy with chi drain though is the craziest thing ive ever heard unless theres something im missing about mobs with chi...





    Which pet is juling shen? Isnt that a lion?


    "I don't really see requiring Legendary pets as making Venomancers get creative. monkey-27.gif That's why I think it should have worked with any pet. I mean, I do like the variety but not in this form. XD"​​

    I'm wondering what the hell a battle droid is going to be
  • eirghaneirghan Posts: 1,912 Arc User
    Yeah I agree. Venos have a list of hundreds of pets to choose from and barely any use for 99% of them. Even PVE venos who aren't concerned about end game gear and PVP viability turn towards one of the four pets. Because there just isn't any reason to keep the lesser pets, really.

    If there is some way to make different pets give venos different powers... not really even just legendary pets... It probably will never happen but that would be AWESOME monkey-2.gif.

    Even my frog... Hell, I have this ridiculous looking dodon something or other fire chicken. That pet is why i MADE a veno. If I could cast a fireball that did more than 2 damage id sure as hell use it! monkey-26.gif
    ​​
  • dingo488dingo488 Posts: 936 Arc User
    If u use any pet thats not a petite sawfly you are not a real venomancer, but you are just an orange rat!


    IGN: Madskillz
  • bloodedone87bloodedone87 Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    dingo488 said:

    If u use any pet thats not a petite sawfly you are not a real venomancer, but you are just an orange rat!

    I like your signature.
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  • shade13shade13 Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Honestly, I don't like this new veno skill at all. Worse variation of myriad rainbow. It will be hard to land a damage on someone because of extremely long casting. Once your target sees you started and has nothing to counter it, you will see the target somewhere on the horizon in seconds. Not talking about the fact that veno has no skill to keep a target controlled while you casting it, save one which is extremely chi consuming and has long cd. It's easy to counter such hit with genie or def charms. And debuffs are delayed and you are warned when they proc and again can counter. You can't really rely on summoning 323049834 different pets for this purpose because summoning time is very long and it breaks your attacks or stunlocks letting target escape or use def charms.
    In case debuff is random: this is also a bad idea. How we are supposed to make combos if we have no clue if we root, dragon, def reduce, chi steal or whatever esle? Press what you see and maybe someday killing hit will occur? For real? pig-24.gif
    ​​
  • cococyacococya Posts: 168 Arc User
    Awesome points everyone, I agree with you, the casting is very unfriendly and it will need support from a team mate and when that happenes, you just can't go on summoning 50 shades of pets, you need to act fast.
    Also, worth mentioning, venos are being made to cash shop all 4 legendary pets to even use the damn skill in all of its complexity, which isn't that ok, in my opinion.
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  • charychary Posts: 850 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    I would like to caution y'all about assumptions. Until someone actually posts vid of the skill in action, we don't really know if it requires pets or not. Remember I'm literally just trying to make sense of Google Translate. Sometimes easy like "wood system damage" = "wood dot", and then sometimes you get **** like that skill where I tried to make as much sense of it as I could. I can very well be wrong and I kind of hope I am in this case.

    @taisenofazuresky - Didn't see your post until now. But thanks. I'll edit that in and credit.​​
  • shade13shade13 Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    I don't think we will need to have all legendary pets. My guess is it's an animation and pets appear only visually and randomly for a short time to debuff, then disappear. It's just a guess though. Chinese like creative descriptions.​​
  • eirghaneirghan Posts: 1,912 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    I was thinking of it more in terms of how duskblades can utilize other classes skills while they have access to that class. If the pet is summoned you get a different ability depending. Not necessarily that you should summon 20 pets per battle, but more, if you are focusing on a certain class venos could put thought into which pet they will use depending on the situation because of the related skill rather than there being no question of just using the same pet all of the time. A bit like the olden days when venos would actually get a magic tank, phys tank, dd, etc. Now its just like. Get a walker :cry:

    But yeah sadly this is all dreams and assumption. Even the simpler classes are nearly impossible to translate clearly :neutral:
  • bakujiroubakujirou Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Psychic~

    Disturb Soul
    Range  28.5  meters
    Channel 1.6  seconds
    Cast 1.2  seconds
    Cooldown 30.0  seconds

    Unbalance the target's soul with psionic waves,
    deals base matk plus 220% weapon damage plus 9736 as water damage and
    increases their channeling time by 80% for 12 seconds.

    Costs 30 Chi.
    Sage+demon versions same as they are now.

    RED TIDEEEEEEEEEEE
    Range  28.5  meters
    Channel 1.8  seconds
    Cast 1.2  seconds
    Cooldown 30.0  seconds

    Conjure a wave of blood to wash over all enemies
    within 8 meters. Deals base magic damage plus 230%
    of weapon damage plus 9538 as Water damage. Has an
    80% chance to cause enemies to bleed, dealing
    damage equal to your Soulforce over 9 seconds.

    Costs 1 spark
    Sage version has 50% chance to not consume chi. Demon version same as it is now.

    Tradewinds
    Channel 0.5 seconds
    Cast 0.5 seconds
    Cooldown 90.0  seconds
    Chi Gained 10

    Call upon the swift winds of the open
    sea to hasten an ally, increasing your
    target's movement/flying/swimming speed by 60% for 15 seconds.

    Creation Soul Festival True Tactic
    Channel time 1s
    Cast time 1s
    300s cooldown

    Reduce soulforce by 100% for 30sec in exchange for matk for 8sec?

    >Disturb Soul
    That's actually neat that it can deal some damage, but I worry that it'll trigger Purify Spell on hit sometimes, completely negating its secondary effect. Would have also been great if it were an 8m AoE at least, even if it didnt deal damage.

    >Red Tide
    Lowering the Spark cost helps, but its still not really enough to warrant its use unless your other ranged AOEs are on CD. I was really hoping it would be water+physical or something. Soulforce bleed doesn't really hurt with all the passives and PDef one can get. Same goes for Soulburn.

    >Tradewinds
    So it affects ground speed too? That's kinda nice. We never really had much movement options on the ground, so it helps a little.

    >"Elite" Skill
    >Dropping your Soulforce for Magic Attack when Tide Spirit exists

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    That boost would need to be huge, because 0 SF for 30 seconds is death without SoSi, SoSt or SoR working at maximum effect.
    And seriously, only 8 SECONDS to use this while being vulnerable all the while?
    C'mon....
    ​​
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  • dblazen1dblazen1 Sh*tposting at the speed of light.Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    Anyone have a better translation / explanation of the new sin skill? Because:
    nyabing wrote: »

    Assassin Skills
    The mysterious disappearance of Level 1(poorly translated)

    Mana: 225
    Instantly
    Cooldown: 5.0 min.
    Weapon: Daggers
    Required to Cast: nine-soul (an item from the new dungeon)

    For 8 sec. killer lurking in the shadows, and its level of secrecy is increased by 12. Does not allow to beat inviz for 2 seconds, immediately rolls back the throw, but reduces attack speed by 200%.
    >>>> Feel free to make it better to understanding.

    Does this last one mean... 8 seconds of some kind of shadow escape + share the stealth but for 8 seconds and lvl12?? and the 2 seconds after unstealth you are untargetable? also moving like a slug? -shrugs-

    Makes little to no sense at all
    It looks like absolute ****​​
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  • bakujiroubakujirou Posts: 48 Arc User
    dblazen1 wrote: »
    Anyone have a better translation / explanation of the new sin skill? Because:
    nyabing wrote: »

    Assassin Skills
    The mysterious disappearance of Level 1(poorly translated)

    Mana: 225
    Instantly
    Cooldown: 5.0 min.
    Weapon: Daggers
    Required to Cast: nine-soul (an item from the new dungeon)

    For 8 sec. killer lurking in the shadows, and its level of secrecy is increased by 12. Does not allow to beat inviz for 2 seconds, immediately rolls back the throw, but reduces attack speed by 200%.
    >>>> Feel free to make it better to understanding.

    Does this last one mean... 8 seconds of some kind of shadow escape + share the stealth but for 8 seconds and lvl12?? and the 2 seconds after unstealth you are untargetable? also moving like a slug? -shrugs-

    Makes little to no sense at all
    It looks like absolute ****

    Not sure if its Share the Stealth, but it looks like:
    You enter stealth for 8 seconds (could be Shadow Walk/Esc?) with an additional +12 stealth level added
    Cannot be targeted for 2 seconds after(?) (or unable to be detected)
    Attack Speed reduced by 200% during your time in Stealth.
    That "Roll back the throw" part is weird.

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  • dagoddominatordagoddominator Posts: 218 Arc User
    bakujirou said:




    >Disturb Soul

    That's actually neat that it can deal some damage, but I worry that it'll trigger Purify Spell on hit sometimes, completely negating its secondary effect. Would have also been great if it were an 8m AoE at least, even if it didnt deal damage.



    >Red Tide

    Lowering the Spark cost helps, but its still not really enough to warrant its use unless your other ranged AOEs are on CD. I was really hoping it would be water+physical or something. Soulforce bleed doesn't really hurt with all the passives and PDef one can get. Same goes for Soulburn.



    >Tradewinds

    So it affects ground speed too? That's kinda nice. We never really had much movement options on the ground, so it helps a little.



    >"Elite" Skill

    >Dropping your Soulforce for Magic Attack when Tide Spirit exists


    1JjpusR.png

    That boost would need to be huge, because 0 SF for 30 seconds is death without SoSi, SoSt or SoR working at maximum effect.

    And seriously, only 8 SECONDS to use this while being vulnerable all the while?

    C'mon....
    ​​

    I agree with you on all of that, again the psychic gets only middling modifications. soulforce is not even much of an advantage for psys since every class uses it as well for something. I think i would have really wished for some combined version of black and white voodoo, seekers get defense lvls without penalty and black voodoo (and the souls) are what set us apart from other casters. soulburn is effectively useless now except for twins AEU and 2 other classes can do the same thing.

    our ulti and tide spirit both need to last much longer than that since they are costing so much chi. its like too many of our skills are effectively nerfed and the others dont make much of a diff. show us psys some love!
  • limonazzalimonazza Posts: 332 Arc User
    you fudging joking right, middling modification, you are getting soulforce added to base damage which is at endgame almost twice as much base damage LOL

    wizard is getting half of such a buff with the downside of getting 50% more damage

    AND YOU COMPLAIN LOL​​
  • dagoddominatordagoddominator Posts: 218 Arc User
    i dont think the translation actually says what the trade-off is at? again, unless the psy is endgame with endgame SF the skill is not going to really provide much at the cost of any sort of defense. super glass-cannon status (not including pot + genie).

    i will correct that the new ulti lasts 30 secs (i mistook that is was 8 secs as well), so EXCLUDING the new ulti psys still have sort of a meh-ishness unless you are absolutely maxed out on everything (but then again CS class must CS). i feel like we could also use a few more skills, not new versions but actual new skills. skill tree so small yo
  • demansfairydemansfairy Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Er to the ppl complaing about the psy SF exchange ulti, I don't think you understand how SoV/SoSilence works. The chance to proc is based off your SS WHEN you cast the skill, as in if it has a 30% chance to proc, you buff soemone/yourself then take off all your armor to reduce you SO to minimum, it STILL has 30% chance to proc. The only skill this really hurts is SoR and SoStun But if it only lasts 30 secs, if you pop SoR/SoStun first then you're fine. That ulti really has next to no drawbacks because people don't use red tide and barely use soul burn anymore.
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  • michikobabymichikobaby Posts: 42 Arc User
    limonazza said:

    you fudging joking right, middling modification, you are getting soulforce added to base damage which is at endgame almost twice as much base damage LOL



    wizard is getting half of such a buff with the downside of getting 50% more damage



    AND YOU COMPLAIN LOL​​

    I agree psy should not be complaining about this skill it's definitely OP. Although it is obviously best for endgame psy... The doubled magic attack is more than I'd get from sage spark boost. Think about sage spark + this skill....seriously? I am excited o_o

    - Wizard buff is NOT equal to half the psy buff and it only would be if damage output only took into account MAGIC ATTACK stat. There is also skill damage and weapon damage you should remember. Most of which wizzy have higher bonuses in their skills compared to psychic. Hardest hitting psy skill is still only 8 meters, base magic damage, 400% of weapon damage plus 10253. None of the other skills compare to that. Wizards will soon have 2 skills that do 750% or more weapon damage...lucky.

    Note to wizzies: You already have the potential to hit highest of all the magic classes. BIDS is getting a boost as well (crazy). I'm guessing you can purify that debuff or just use IG and work around it. Like the psychic skill there is no chi cost and you are sacrificing something in return. This is a SUPER invigorate and a good skill imo. Be happy with what you're getting.

    I still hope for psy to get a good debuff like maybe for defense levels? That'd be cool... but we didn't get one of course.

    Move on.
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