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  • dblazen1
    dblazen1 Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    >Community screams and cries there is nothing cross-server available for years
    >Something cross-server comes available
    >CHANGE IS BAD REVERT IT WHAA WHAA
    Oh boy.

    Cross-server NW seems to work just fine for me, the DC issue was already there in normal NW, at least for me I'd randomly dc, where traceroutes and pings are completely normal.

    What the people who complain don't like is that it doesn't fit their personal time-schedule anymore, even though the times it got changed to now is perfectly fine.
    That and they don't read what mintsummer wrote, at all.​​
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  • bagles2
    bagles2 Posts: 3 Arc User
    wowbots said:

    NW times... This is unacceptable by me. My life interferes as it does any normal American. It takes a lot of sacrifice to make certain events on this game. As my faction does not TW, this was the 1 moment I had to remind me why I needed gear better than G15. We as a majority cannot make this battle. I've read about Devs being unable to change the time itself. There is nothing we can say about that. We don't care, we can't make these times without too much sacrifice. Learn to fix it or we will play an "American" timed game.

    i agree with this. these EU times for nw really has screwed with all the events scheduled already. why can't these devs just figure out a way to change the time so that cross server nw simply replaces regular nw. then no problems with tw times. i personally can't make any 11am events so now i'll won't be able to do nw ever again, though i love the idea of cross server nw over regular nw.

    if they have no problems moving the server times 1 hour up and down for daylights savings, why can't they do the same thing to the EU timed server. nw starts 9 hours earlier then how about simply setting the server clock back 9 hours without changing the time zone settings. do something! how about you send china devs a request for a patch. as it stands my only option is to just quit and find another game with more american-friendly times for events. 3 servers of the 4 cross nation servers aren't EU. don't forget that.
  • bellaviv
    bellaviv Posts: 9 Arc User
    I think these TW times are highly unthoughful and rushed decision. Not only you did not care to announce it earlier to hear any feedback, but made priority times unavailable for alot of USA people. In my opinion this is highly unprofessional. You wanted to "fix" one thing, ending up making this worse for a bigger crowd.
  • enbysra
    enbysra Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Actually, as far as the supply tokens rewards in NW now, they could legitimately remain as is.

    Just because everyone (myself included) got used to the amount of supply tokens we were getting until recently, does not mean that said amount of rewards were even good for the in game economy or the game overall.

    Consider Raptures and Uncannies, and the prices they used to be back when NW did not even exist, back when we had to grind Nirvana.

    Raptures and Uncannies, given the current amount of supply token rewards, will still not return to being as high as those prices.

    If NW supply token rewards remain as they are currently, there is a possibility that Nirvana will actually be revived as content to run yet again.

    So honestly you can cry about the rewards like spoiled children, but the real issue as far as I can see is :


    1. TW-NW overlapping (even though I am not yet seriously TWing atm)

    2. NW Times overall (personally, the Friday NW at 2pm EST I would never be able to even attempt to attend, as I am not calling out of work for it... which by the way, would also effect the majority at work or in school at that time).

    =======================================================

    I'll also add...

    To schedule properly, cross server events need to actually be figured out first, for the best times for the majority of all players given the different time zones...

    THEN each server's events can be more easily adjusted per server, to fit each server's needs.

    NOT the backasswards "strategy" being thrown around by posters.
  • shivydrasic
    shivydrasic Posts: 21 Arc User
    the new nw schedule , hasn't changed for my schedule but im ok with then with new time x3

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  • eaglestorm
    eaglestorm Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited November 2015





    For everyone's interest, we removed the forced PK mode after Cross Server NW across all 4 servers. We also increased the total number of supplies as the reward of Cross Server Nation War -- yes, now you can earn more than old times if you are brave enough!
    Thank you again for all those feedback!

    thank you for listening and adjusting. you will never please everyone and there will always be QQing but I do believe you listened to the majority and acted accordingly, so simply Thank you
  • razzzza
    razzzza Posts: 456 Arc User
    @mintsummer @thenamesdomino Thank you for the adjusting in tokens and forced PK mode.
    The event times are good too and i like all the changes so far, much apprechiated keep up the good work :)
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  • enbysra
    enbysra Posts: 57 Arc User
    I normally agree with plenty TZoner says, but this time I must disagree.

    WE THE PLAYERBASE have b!tched and b!tched about NW not being cross server since the beginning, because we were originally told it would be cross server and it was not.

    WE THE PLAYERBASE b!tched and b!tched when the more recent expansion came out and still no cross server NW, even though we were told it would be there.

    And now? Now we are b!tching because we finally got what we wanted...

    Typical PWI playerbase.


    The answer is not to scrap it, but to tweak it to work.

    Actually, even the token rewards and the forced pk mode would have been good things, but hey... PWI playerbase. :*
  • hypereccentrik
    hypereccentrik Posts: 529 Arc User
    Is it too much load on the servers during reset to only have the 17:00 and 20:00 server times for only Saturday and Sunday?

    If not my suggestion would be to have those 4 slots for TW and have the cross server TW, when it does come out, at Friday 20:00. I understand that would still exclude some people. However, only the biggest TW factions will be doing the cross server TW and should still have enough people to represent.
  • jadasia
    jadasia Posts: 520 Arc User
    enbysra said:

    Actually, as far as the supply tokens rewards in NW now, they could legitimately remain as is.

    Just because everyone (myself included) got used to the amount of supply tokens we were getting until recently, does not mean that said amount of rewards were even good for the in game economy or the game overall.

    Consider Raptures and Uncannies, and the prices they used to be back when NW did not even exist, back when we had to grind Nirvana.

    Raptures and Uncannies, given the current amount of supply token rewards, will still not return to being as high as those prices.

    If NW supply token rewards remain as they are currently, there is a possibility that Nirvana will actually be revived as content to run yet again.

    So honestly you can cry about the rewards like spoiled children, but the real issue as far as I can see is :


    1. TW-NW overlapping (even though I am not yet seriously TWing atm)

    2. NW Times overall (personally, the Friday NW at 2pm EST I would never be able to even attempt to attend, as I am not calling out of work for it... which by the way, would also effect the majority at work or in school at that time).

    =======================================================

    I'll also add...

    To schedule properly, cross server events need to actually be figured out first, for the best times for the majority of all players given the different time zones...

    THEN each server's events can be more easily adjusted per server, to fit each server's needs.

    NOT the backasswards "strategy" being thrown around by posters.
    Cry like spoiled children they did. I tried my best to reason with those who have an acute case of tunnel vision that they refused to see any opportunities with it. This was the same type of QQ when they removed hypers from frost. Cannot reason with them.
  • zoner112012
    zoner112012 Posts: 943 Arc User
    "We the player base have complained about nothing cross server" "We the player base have wanted cross server for awhile" "We want we want we want...." Well guess what...Many didn't....and the time changes are not remotely acceptable. None of it matters I guess...because in the end the game is just gonna keep pushing further and further down the drain. More and more towards CSing every new update. Many many people do NOT like or want the new cross server crud....thats exactly what it is is crud. There is nothing but stupidity and more drama coming from it. Drama the GMs REFUSE to deal with. Oh someone is spamming or being a complete prick to everyone...write a ticket they say..they do nothing. Or they say something that has nothing to do with your ticket and when you correct them they close it. You want cross server stuff....have GMs actually monitor the game like they SHOULD. This game has become a cesspool of stupidity and nonsense with the player base doing nothing but bellittling each other and sharing peoples personal information..and NOTHING is done about it. TBH I am shocked I have yet to hear of PWE being sued big time for their lack of care. I know of several people that have complained with serious allegations and proof of people sharing their personal information or just outright harassing them or breaking PWE terms of service and the customer support does jack squat. Until the GMs of this game actually enforce the ToS of this game...it will continue to spiral out of control. Have GMs actually monitor the chats for once...and police the servers like they should...but instead they focus on other games and literally have no care for PWI...because we are the bottom of the barrel and they are just scraping the coin from it with a giant spoon.
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  • kaiserzoltar
    kaiserzoltar Posts: 14 Arc User


    it was previously already disclosed that the server hosting it is part of the EU formatted server, i'm pretty sure it is NOT an easy matter to change the timezone settings. it was also stated the event time is hard coded and hence not really changeable (without a lot of effort depending on implementation).

    i did notice the short timing on that timeslot, but i dont think they had a choice in the matter with the current coding.

    It has also been pointed out already that the Cross-server is being hosted on the East Cost of the US. This is no doubt to minimize lag for everyone fairly, but why do we have an EU formatted server being hosted in the US? I'm pretty certain SOMETHING can be done about it.

    I know they can't change the time as it is hard coded to be at 8pm server time for whichever timezone the hostserver is in. That being said, since the server is on the East Coast, it should be hosted with an East Coast time - or GMT -5.
  • dblazen1
    dblazen1 Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    it was previously already disclosed that the server hosting it is part of the EU formatted server, i'm pretty sure it is NOT an easy matter to change the timezone settings. it was also stated the event time is hard coded and hence not really changeable (without a lot of effort depending on implementation).

    i did notice the short timing on that timeslot, but i dont think they had a choice in the matter with the current coding.



    It has also been pointed out already that the Cross-server is being hosted on the East Cost of the US. This is no doubt to minimize lag for everyone fairly, but why do we have an EU formatted server being hosted in the US? I'm pretty certain SOMETHING can be done about it.

    I know they can't change the time as it is hard coded to be at 8pm server time for whichever timezone the hostserver is in. That being said, since the server is on the East Coast, it should be hosted with an East Coast time - or GMT -5.
    China likely harcoded it to 8pm CET, and that's why PWE can't do jack **** about it. It doesn't matter where you put the server if it's hardcoded to 8pm CET.
    You could put it in russia, china, the very edge of america and it will still be going on at 8pm CET.

    If that's how they hardcoded it, then the only option they have is to tell china to change it for our version. Problem is that they want to get our versions closer to being identical.
    That and even if they did do this for our version, I can tell you now it will break back to 8pm CET after another big-ish patch from china's side.​​
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  • darkonome
    darkonome Posts: 253 Arc User
    To clarify what's already been said;

    -China hard coded the event to 8pm server time. < cannot be changed (easily)
    -With multiple timezones on different servers they have to pick the earliest timezone (i.e. CET i.e. Dawnglory) or it causes huge issues with characters, including permanent loss of toons, which they experienced when testing, when porting the characters back to home server after NW
    -Hence due to above two limitations, NW has to be 8pm CET, irrespective of where the server is located

    This is if we are to include the EU server, so the only other option is to say gtfo to Dawnglory and have NW at the next earliest timezone i.e. EST
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  • zionwarrior
    zionwarrior Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    WARNING WALL OF TEXT
    1. A few things. First, I figure Domino you are more the poster boy and meant to "placate" and pacify us like pwe wants. Not to offend you but that will only bring flaming and such even if it is your given orders. Being real and saying it like it is and explaining that you know it was not entirely done as the majority wanted it let alone not replying back in WILL also garner a lot of negitive feedback too.
    2. Another thing, I suggest you let the Dev's an your higher ups know we would like our nation wars set back to the times it was and let us have our normal territory wars times back. Yes I know it was done to an extent for "euro" players however NOT everybody is euro and a LOT do not get to do nation war who are west coast or east coast at those times and you are basically pissing on us without the dignity to try an call it rain. Also claiming that is what we wanted. I mean really, we have asked for it reverted and for the nation wars token cap to be properly increased since we get jack all tokens for a HARD 2 hour fight not to mention the charm cost and such too. Another thing you should be making ONE of the nation wars a week cross server nation war and one nation war regular one server nation war since I am FAIRLY sure NOT everybody WANTS cross server nation war twice a week. Also IF you are GOING to keep our token rate low then turn one nation war like I said back to old nation wars and keep one as cross server. It will help to an extent with not having a MASSIVE amount of tokens on the server and make things worth a bit more but it will also help with the economy too and there will not be a glut of things but also not such a low amount that nobody sells their tokens or no items for sale. I know you are always trying to find ways to remove economy's and trade markets and ways to make coin for players from other players but enough is enough.
    3. A LOT of the west and east coast players LOOK FORWARD to events on Sunday and Friday night its what we DO as gamers WE WANT NATION WAR as our Friday an Sunday evening events its what WE do you expect us to be on a video game in either the early morning or afternoon when on weekend we have things we have to be doing such as getting ready for the next week I mean really? We want to have fun Nation war in the evening to wind down the day its FUN what reason do we HAVE to be on at night on the WEEKEND? If you WANT to have Cross Server Nation War let us KEEP ONE as regular Nation War and see how much people LIKE them. You do NOT need to change BOTH Nation War times and make BOTH Cross Server Nation Wars MOST people DO NOT like it. The increase in size is somewhat nice but the pain in the **** time frame, **** over of Territory Wars. the Charm cost, Potion cost, Apoth use needed, and massive and I DO mean MASSIVE resource drain to basely get ANYTHING for the effort let alone not even being able to use it to fund your further gameplay to keep DOING it makes it NOT worth doing.
    4. You took away Mirages and kept them as rewards for multiple things but give them no value because of that, you took away armor value (which wasn't much in the first place but I mean really it was SOMETHING), you took away pot NPC price which made botting with the auto-culti even somewhat a reason to do and helped us keep our in game coin going, you removed all coin from the lower dungeon FBs (recently with the last major patch) which is pretty screwed up since higher levels go in to help lower levels but honestly we would like what little coin we can pick up since not ALL of us are cash shoppers and want something to help with repair cost, you took away ALL DQ NPC prices which was another nail in using the auto cultivation thing you GAVE us to use and then even put a TIMER on earning time to prevent mass use of it and such(there is almost no point to even have the auto culti system in place in game anymore since almost nobody uses it unless it's like an archer botting with auto culti in morai 1 hitting monsters and not even picking up its coin in the base quest area or in land of buried bones and such at the base quest areas, you even removed dragon quest quests which were usable to get rare items and made it somewhat fun to do dragon quest item hunting for rare molds and mounts and things so you did NOT have to pay for them. Its not that you CAN'T get fixes made, you have shown this much because of the massive outcry there was a PATCH almost instant about it. This has happened before as well, with other things in game. Such as when venomancer hood was nerfed the FIRST time due to mass outcry, then when FC/FF as it is sometimes called was FIRST reverted to no hypers the massive outcry had it changed back within a week. People stop complaining and sending in tickets to get it dealt with and you try to **** them over again and again till they complain again.
    5. I mean really with all these removals do you REALLY think your player base likes it let alone wants to keep playing much longer? I started YEARS ago on China's subscription and LOVED it till they kicked people who didn't live in china so I moved to the Malaysian servers oracle and I don't remember the one before that after oracle I moved to Heavens Tear in 08, then Archo in 10, there have been good and bad changes but as of late you have been making some VERY bad changes to your company and game.
    (edited to fix my join archo date typoed it)
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  • jadasia
    jadasia Posts: 520 Arc User
    edited November 2015

    WARNING WALL OF TEXT


    1. A few things. First, I figure Domino you are more the poster boy and meant to "placate" and pacify us like pwe wants. Not to offend you but that will only bring flaming and such even if it is your given orders. Being real and saying it like it is and explaining that you know it was not entirely done as the majority wanted it let alone not replying back in WILL also garner a lot of negitive feedback too.
    2. Another thing, I suggest you let the Dev's an your higher ups know we would like our nation wars set back to the times it was and let us have our normal territory wars times back. Yes I know it was done to an extent for "euro" players however NOT everybody is euro and a LOT do not get to do nation war who are west coast or east coast at those times and you are basically pissing on us without the dignity to try an call it rain. Also claiming that is what we wanted. I mean really, we have asked for it reverted and for the nation wars token cap to be properly increased since we get jack all tokens for a HARD 2 hour fight not to mention the charm cost and such too. Another thing you should be making ONE of the nation wars a week cross server nation war and one nation war regular one server nation war since I am FAIRLY sure NOT everybody WANTS cross server nation war twice a week. Also IF you are GOING to keep our token rate low then turn one nation war like I said back to old nation wars and keep one as cross server. It will help to an extent with not having a MASSIVE amount of tokens on the server and make things worth a bit more but it will also help with the economy too and there will not be a glut of things but also not such a low amount that nobody sells their tokens or no items for sale. I know you are always trying to find ways to remove economy's and trade markets and ways to make coin for players from other players but enough is enough.
    3. A LOT of the west and east coast players LOOK FORWARD to events on Sunday and Friday night its what we DO as gamers WE WANT NATION WAR as our Friday an Sunday evening events its what WE do you expect us to be on a video game in either the early morning or afternoon when on weekend we have things we have to be doing such as getting ready for the next week I mean really? We want to have fun Nation war in the evening to wind down the day its FUN what reason do we HAVE to be on at night on the WEEKEND? If you WANT to have Cross Server Nation War let us KEEP ONE as regular Nation War and see how much people LIKE them. You do NOT need to change BOTH Nation War times and make BOTH Cross Server Nation Wars MOST people DO NOT like it. The increase in size is somewhat nice but the pain in the **** time frame, **** over of Territory Wars. the Charm cost, Potion cost, Apoth use needed, and massive and I DO mean MASSIVE resource drain to basely get ANYTHING for the effort let alone not even being able to use it to fund your further gameplay to keep DOING it makes it NOT worth doing.
    4. You took away Mirages and kept them as rewards for multiple things but give them no value because of that, you took away armor value (which wasn't much in the first place but I mean really it was SOMETHING), you took away pot NPC price which made botting with the auto-culti even somewhat a reason to do and helped us keep our in game coin going, you removed all coin from the lower dungeon FBs (recently with the last major patch) which is pretty screwed up since higher levels go in to help lower levels but honestly we would like what little coin we can pick up since not ALL of us are cash shoppers and want something to help with repair cost, you took away ALL DQ NPC prices which was another nail in using the auto cultivation thing you GAVE us to use and then even put a TIMER on earning time to prevent mass use of it and such(there is almost no point to even have the auto culti system in place in game anymore since almost nobody uses it unless it's like an archer botting with auto culti in morai 1 hitting monsters and not even picking up its coin in the base quest area or in land of buried bones and such at the base quest areas, you even removed dragon quest quests which were usable to get rare items and made it somewhat fun to do dragon quest item hunting for rare molds and mounts and things so you did NOT have to pay for them. Its not that you CAN'T get fixes made, you have shown this much because of the massive outcry there was a PATCH almost instant about it. This has happened before as well, with other things in game. Such as when venomancer hood was nerfed the FIRST time due to mass outcry, then when FC/FF as it is sometimes called was FIRST reverted to no hypers the massive outcry had it changed back within a week. People stop complaining and sending in tickets to get it dealt with and you try to **** them over again and again till they complain again.
    5. I mean really with all these removals do you REALLY think your player base likes it let alone wants to keep playing much longer? I started YEARS ago on China's subscription and LOVED it till they kicked people who didn't live in china so I moved to the Malaysian servers oracle and I don't remember the one before that after oracle I moved to Heavens Tear in 08, then Archo in 10, there have been good and bad changes but as of late you have been making some VERY bad changes to your company and game.
    (edited to fix my join archo date typoed it)
    Once again PWI/PWE did not implement these changes. The devs in China did to combat the horrific botting issue there, The changes got ported to our version. Send you wall of text to China as PWI/PWE cannot do a thing about it.

    And Hypers were never meant to be used in frost. It was a mistake. They removed them once again because there was really no need for it anymore because there were way too many other ways to level. I can level any toon to 100 in a week without frost.

    New NW times are something everyone will get used to. more than 1300+ showed up last sunday so it's obviously a fine time for most.
  • bloodedone87
    bloodedone87 Posts: 1,883 Arc User

    WARNING WALL OF TEXT


    1. A few things. First, I figure Domino you are more the poster boy and meant to "placate" and pacify us like pwe wants. Not to offend you but that will only bring flaming and such even if it is your given orders. Being real and saying it like it is and explaining that you know it was not entirely done as the majority wanted it let alone not replying back in WILL also garner a lot of negitive feedback too.
    2. Another thing, I suggest you let the Dev's an your higher ups know we would like our nation wars set back to the times it was and let us have our normal territory wars times back. Yes I know it was done to an extent for "euro" players however NOT everybody is euro and a LOT do not get to do nation war who are west coast or east coast at those times and you are basically pissing on us without the dignity to try an call it rain. Also claiming that is what we wanted. I mean really, we have asked for it reverted and for the nation wars token cap to be properly increased since we get jack all tokens for a HARD 2 hour fight not to mention the charm cost and such too. Another thing you should be making ONE of the nation wars a week cross server nation war and one nation war regular one server nation war since I am FAIRLY sure NOT everybody WANTS cross server nation war twice a week. Also IF you are GOING to keep our token rate low then turn one nation war like I said back to old nation wars and keep one as cross server. It will help to an extent with not having a MASSIVE amount of tokens on the server and make things worth a bit more but it will also help with the economy too and there will not be a glut of things but also not such a low amount that nobody sells their tokens or no items for sale. I know you are always trying to find ways to remove economy's and trade markets and ways to make coin for players from other players but enough is enough.
    3. A LOT of the west and east coast players LOOK FORWARD to events on Sunday and Friday night its what we DO as gamers WE WANT NATION WAR as our Friday an Sunday evening events its what WE do you expect us to be on a video game in either the early morning or afternoon when on weekend we have things we have to be doing such as getting ready for the next week I mean really? We want to have fun Nation war in the evening to wind down the day its FUN what reason do we HAVE to be on at night on the WEEKEND? If you WANT to have Cross Server Nation War let us KEEP ONE as regular Nation War and see how much people LIKE them. You do NOT need to change BOTH Nation War times and make BOTH Cross Server Nation Wars MOST people DO NOT like it. The increase in size is somewhat nice but the pain in the **** time frame, **** over of Territory Wars. the Charm cost, Potion cost, Apoth use needed, and massive and I DO mean MASSIVE resource drain to basely get ANYTHING for the effort let alone not even being able to use it to fund your further gameplay to keep DOING it makes it NOT worth doing.
    4. You took away Mirages and kept them as rewards for multiple things but give them no value because of that, you took away armor value (which wasn't much in the first place but I mean really it was SOMETHING), you took away pot NPC price which made botting with the auto-culti even somewhat a reason to do and helped us keep our in game coin going, you removed all coin from the lower dungeon FBs (recently with the last major patch) which is pretty screwed up since higher levels go in to help lower levels but honestly we would like what little coin we can pick up since not ALL of us are cash shoppers and want something to help with repair cost, you took away ALL DQ NPC prices which was another nail in using the auto cultivation thing you GAVE us to use and then even put a TIMER on earning time to prevent mass use of it and such(there is almost no point to even have the auto culti system in place in game anymore since almost nobody uses it unless it's like an archer botting with auto culti in morai 1 hitting monsters and not even picking up its coin in the base quest area or in land of buried bones and such at the base quest areas, you even removed dragon quest quests which were usable to get rare items and made it somewhat fun to do dragon quest item hunting for rare molds and mounts and things so you did NOT have to pay for them. Its not that you CAN'T get fixes made, you have shown this much because of the massive outcry there was a PATCH almost instant about it. This has happened before as well, with other things in game. Such as when venomancer hood was nerfed the FIRST time due to mass outcry, then when FC/FF as it is sometimes called was FIRST reverted to no hypers the massive outcry had it changed back within a week. People stop complaining and sending in tickets to get it dealt with and you try to **** them over again and again till they complain again.
    5. I mean really with all these removals do you REALLY think your player base likes it let alone wants to keep playing much longer? I started YEARS ago on China's subscription and LOVED it till they kicked people who didn't live in china so I moved to the Malaysian servers oracle and I don't remember the one before that after oracle I moved to Heavens Tear in 08, then Archo in 10, there have been good and bad changes but as of late you have been making some VERY bad changes to your company and game.
    (edited to fix my join archo date typoed it)
    Before writing an wall of text how about you read the other comments on this thread? Some of them belongs to GMs were they said the number of tokens has been increased and no more force pk when you exit NW.
    Also it has been mentioned on other threads the mirages, pots, items, dq items prices have been reduced to 0 due to the insane amount of botters in China.
    Auto cultivation system was nice and helpfull but people abused that like they abused everything. They were loging army of alts to bott making hundred of milions of coins each week, ruining the economy, making the prices going higher.
    The earning time was introduced in China to stop players playing to much. People have died there cause they were spending to much in time of the computer playing video games. In my opinion this earning time didnt change that much cause players dont have just 1 characters they play in a game. They have 2 or more. So when they will get bored playing 1 character they will move to the others. Also people dont play just 1 game.
    PWE is just a publisher. PWCN is the creator and the one that takes all decision to all the changes that happend and will happen in PWI.
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  • jadasia
    jadasia Posts: 520 Arc User

    WARNING WALL OF TEXT


    1. A few things. First, I figure Domino you are more the poster boy and meant to "placate" and pacify us like pwe wants. Not to offend you but that will only bring flaming and such even if it is your given orders. Being real and saying it like it is and explaining that you know it was not entirely done as the majority wanted it let alone not replying back in WILL also garner a lot of negitive feedback too.
    2. Another thing, I suggest you let the Dev's an your higher ups know we would like our nation wars set back to the times it was and let us have our normal territory wars times back. Yes I know it was done to an extent for "euro" players however NOT everybody is euro and a LOT do not get to do nation war who are west coast or east coast at those times and you are basically pissing on us without the dignity to try an call it rain. Also claiming that is what we wanted. I mean really, we have asked for it reverted and for the nation wars token cap to be properly increased since we get jack all tokens for a HARD 2 hour fight not to mention the charm cost and such too. Another thing you should be making ONE of the nation wars a week cross server nation war and one nation war regular one server nation war since I am FAIRLY sure NOT everybody WANTS cross server nation war twice a week. Also IF you are GOING to keep our token rate low then turn one nation war like I said back to old nation wars and keep one as cross server. It will help to an extent with not having a MASSIVE amount of tokens on the server and make things worth a bit more but it will also help with the economy too and there will not be a glut of things but also not such a low amount that nobody sells their tokens or no items for sale. I know you are always trying to find ways to remove economy's and trade markets and ways to make coin for players from other players but enough is enough.
    3. A LOT of the west and east coast players LOOK FORWARD to events on Sunday and Friday night its what we DO as gamers WE WANT NATION WAR as our Friday an Sunday evening events its what WE do you expect us to be on a video game in either the early morning or afternoon when on weekend we have things we have to be doing such as getting ready for the next week I mean really? We want to have fun Nation war in the evening to wind down the day its FUN what reason do we HAVE to be on at night on the WEEKEND? If you WANT to have Cross Server Nation War let us KEEP ONE as regular Nation War and see how much people LIKE them. You do NOT need to change BOTH Nation War times and make BOTH Cross Server Nation Wars MOST people DO NOT like it. The increase in size is somewhat nice but the pain in the **** time frame, **** over of Territory Wars. the Charm cost, Potion cost, Apoth use needed, and massive and I DO mean MASSIVE resource drain to basely get ANYTHING for the effort let alone not even being able to use it to fund your further gameplay to keep DOING it makes it NOT worth doing.
    4. You took away Mirages and kept them as rewards for multiple things but give them no value because of that, you took away armor value (which wasn't much in the first place but I mean really it was SOMETHING), you took away pot NPC price which made botting with the auto-culti even somewhat a reason to do and helped us keep our in game coin going, you removed all coin from the lower dungeon FBs (recently with the last major patch) which is pretty screwed up since higher levels go in to help lower levels but honestly we would like what little coin we can pick up since not ALL of us are cash shoppers and want something to help with repair cost, you took away ALL DQ NPC prices which was another nail in using the auto cultivation thing you GAVE us to use and then even put a TIMER on earning time to prevent mass use of it and such(there is almost no point to even have the auto culti system in place in game anymore since almost nobody uses it unless it's like an archer botting with auto culti in morai 1 hitting monsters and not even picking up its coin in the base quest area or in land of buried bones and such at the base quest areas, you even removed dragon quest quests which were usable to get rare items and made it somewhat fun to do dragon quest item hunting for rare molds and mounts and things so you did NOT have to pay for them. Its not that you CAN'T get fixes made, you have shown this much because of the massive outcry there was a PATCH almost instant about it. This has happened before as well, with other things in game. Such as when venomancer hood was nerfed the FIRST time due to mass outcry, then when FC/FF as it is sometimes called was FIRST reverted to no hypers the massive outcry had it changed back within a week. People stop complaining and sending in tickets to get it dealt with and you try to **** them over again and again till they complain again.
    5. I mean really with all these removals do you REALLY think your player base likes it let alone wants to keep playing much longer? I started YEARS ago on China's subscription and LOVED it till they kicked people who didn't live in china so I moved to the Malaysian servers oracle and I don't remember the one before that after oracle I moved to Heavens Tear in 08, then Archo in 10, there have been good and bad changes but as of late you have been making some VERY bad changes to your company and game.
    (edited to fix my join archo date typoed it)
    Before writing an wall of text how about you read the other comments on this thread? Some of them belongs to GMs were they said the number of tokens has been increased and no more force pk when you exit NW.
    Also it has been mentioned on other threads the mirages, pots, items, dq items prices have been reduced to 0 due to the insane amount of botters in China.
    Auto cultivation system was nice and helpfull but people abused that like they abused everything. They were loging army of alts to bott making hundred of milions of coins each week, ruining the economy, making the prices going higher.
    The earning time was introduced in China to stop players playing to much. People have died there cause they were spending to much in time of the computer playing video games. In my opinion this earning time didnt change that much cause players dont have just 1 characters they play in a game. They have 2 or more. So when they will get bored playing 1 character they will move to the others. Also people dont play just 1 game.
    PWE is just a publisher. PWCN is the creator and the one that takes all decision to all the changes that happend and will happen in PWI.
    The largest part of PW-CN's botting issue is because they sell coin and farmed mats for real money there. It's a source of real world income for the botters there. That's why there is an incentive to create 300+ toon bot armies.
  • belnor
    belnor Posts: 105 Arc User
    Thank you @thenamesdomino and @mintsummer for the update. Hearing from you both is very much appreciated. I look forward to seeing everyone in NW on saturday and sunday. :)
  • amo0olh
    amo0olh Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Why, when we finish the war we get the white name (PK) ? we dont need that

    and why we cant trade !! in NW.. what about token somtime i get 30 or 0 old time i get 300+

    i hop u can Fix it and i want tell u about map it's more big

    and

    plz dont Change the time for the server Europe
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  • bloodedone87
    bloodedone87 Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    amo0olh said:

    Why, when we finish the war we get the white name (PK) ? we dont need that

    and why we cant trade !! in NW.. what about token somtime i get 30 or 0 old time i get 300+

    i hop u can Fix it

    and

    plz dont Change the time for the server Europe

    And why for God sake dont you read the other comments on this thread were GM said they fixed that and removed forced pk and also increased the number of tokens starting with this saturday NW?
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  • sylenthunder
    sylenthunder Posts: 3,061 Community Moderator
    Why, when we finish the war we get the white name (PK) ? we dont need that

    and why we cant trade !! in NW.. what about token somtime i get 30 or 0 old time i get 300+

    i hop u can Fix it

    and

    plz dont Change the time for the server Europe

    And why for God sake dont you read the other comments on this thread were GM said they fixed that and removed forced pk and also increased the number of tokens starting with this saturday NW?

    Because reading is too hard. I think it's a pretty common epidemic in just about any online community. No one can be bothered to read, or do the slightest bit of research before they post.​​
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  • valdisman
    valdisman Posts: 568 Arc User
    Thanks for the fast fix on the token amount.
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  • baseaddress
    baseaddress Posts: 202 Arc User
    valdisman said:

    Thanks for the fast fix on the token amount.

    You don't know current amount! How can you say "thanks" then? Maybe they fixed tokens amount from 76k to 100k
  • solamnie
    solamnie Posts: 24 Arc User
    Alot of players saying it's horrible to get up at 8AM for NW, imagine how we EU players felt, when we had o get up between 4 and 6AM, or in my case 5 till 7AM. And the amount of european players is only rising as far as I can tell.
  • jadasia
    jadasia Posts: 520 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    solamnie said:

    Alot of players saying it's horrible to get up at 8AM for NW, imagine how we EU players felt, when we had o get up between 4 and 6AM, or in my case 5 till 7AM. And the amount of european players is only rising as far as I can tell.

    It's really hard to give a damn how you felt because you made the choice to create an account and a character on a server based in the time zone you have an issue with. The only person who forced yourself into that original situation is YOU.

    These changes regarding server merges and NW times were forced on the rest of us. HL people had no choice at all to be merged with an EU server. The PvP servers had absolutely no choice in being forced into a PvE server. And the US east and west coast servers had no choice when our NW and TW event times were changed. But you EU people had a choice when you created your account and your chars on a US based server because you made a choice to play the game where is was available at the time.

    So yes it is really hard to give a damn how you felt when you had to get up early for any event as opposed to what anyone on the US servers or the HL people have to deal with now. To demand that we do give a damn is pure self-indulgent and self-centered and very disrespectful on your part.
  • bloodedone87
    bloodedone87 Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    solamnie said:

    Alot of players saying it's horrible to get up at 8AM for NW, imagine how we EU players felt, when we had o get up between 4 and 6AM, or in my case 5 till 7AM. And the amount of european players is only rising as far as I can tell.

    I had no problem waking up at 5 am to do NW.
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  • razzzza
    razzzza Posts: 456 Arc User
    jadasia wrote: »
    blabla nonsence we wrote like 8888 times already

    still doesnt fit for people who joined PWI way ahead of NW and had no problems playing until time based, very important events occured that made this a thing.
    Also not everyone was willing to quit their toon on harshlands to join morai when it opened in like what... 2011?

    So yea i dont give a flying damn about that anymore and im more than happy that the time is good for europeans.
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  • jadasia
    jadasia Posts: 520 Arc User
    razzzza said:



    jadasia wrote: »

    blabla nonsence we wrote like 8888 times already


    still doesnt fit for people who joined PWI way ahead of NW and had no problems playing until time based, very important events occured that made this a thing.

    Also not everyone was willing to quit their toon on harshlands to join morai when it opened in like what... 2011?



    So yea i dont give a flying damn about that anymore and im more than happy that the time is good for europeans.

    After all.. you can quit your toon and join a server which fits your time well no? mouse-29.gif​​

    I did join a server with a time which fit. I chose a server located in my own time zone. And I chose to be on a pvp server. Why the hell would I need to then quit? Did you get kicked in the head by a horse lately?

    I couldn't care less about those who joined HL before any EU servers existed. They chose to create an acct on HL knowing it was based in the US and the event times were based on the server time. The events times were established on that server before any EU people decided to create a char there. Who are they to join a US server and complain about the event times? It was their choice to stay on HL after an EU server was created. I have no sympathy for them because it was their own choice.

    You seem to have this weird issue telling the difference between what one chose to do as opposed to one who has whatever done to them without any choice at all.
  • razzzza
    razzzza Posts: 456 Arc User
    yea the horse was huge and i had no idea mouse-29.gif​​
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