Cross-Server NW QQ

jadasia said:

saxroll said:

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jadasia said:

It's going to be a long row to hoe if that's all you do to get the mats you need to upgrade your gear. Or you can do what I do and set up a catshop and earn coin to buy the SoW and etc required as you earn the coin. Makes it much easier. Sure it takes time to earn upgrades for gears. I think even cash shoppers should be forced to burn time and effort to upgrade their gears. Considering how long it takes for farm bloods and what not for primal skills and other stuff We should be used to it.

I do think we got really spoiled with NW. Maybe people might just start doing NV again if the rap prices continue to go up. But a roll back on the availability of mats from tokens just means more value added to them due to supply and demand. Does it mean it will take longer to upgrade gear. Yes. Is this necessarily a bad thing? I'm leaning no because as stated it is a roll back to the way it was before. Before NW how long did it take to farm raps for NV 2nd cast? And how expensive was it? And how many people actually had Warsoul weapons?

So you are saying a basic upgrade, which everybody who wants to be relevant has, should now take a year of NW? Not to mention you need 4 of these upgrades. So 4 years to farm ones gear, do you really think thats a good idea?

For Non cash shoppers it used to take a year to level to 8x. It used to take a year or more to get NV 2nd cast. It used to take a year or more to learn most of the class skills. If it takes one 4 years to upgrade gears with NW then they are complete fails. Most of the relevant people you speak of have been in the game for at least 3 years. I see no problem with it.

It never took a year to reach 8x. It never took a year to reach N2 either. If one gets 50 supply tokens per NW, they get total 5,2k supply tokens a year if they do it each and every time. You need total 19,470 supply tokens for all your upgrades. To get them all in 3 years one would need 63 tokens per each NW. They would also need to attend each and every one of them for 3 years straight. This is not accounting NW pots one uses for different events, which in span of 3 years is gonna be a lot of supply tokens. So tell me how fail N3s have to be to not get 63 supply tokens at current rates when full r9t3s struggle to hit 50 on certain nations?

saxroll said:

jadasia said:

saxroll said:

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jadasia said:

It's going to be a long row to hoe if that's all you do to get the mats you need to upgrade your gear. Or you can do what I do and set up a catshop and earn coin to buy the SoW and etc required as you earn the coin. Makes it much easier. Sure it takes time to earn upgrades for gears. I think even cash shoppers should be forced to burn time and effort to upgrade their gears. Considering how long it takes for farm bloods and what not for primal skills and other stuff We should be used to it.

I do think we got really spoiled with NW. Maybe people might just start doing NV again if the rap prices continue to go up. But a roll back on the availability of mats from tokens just means more value added to them due to supply and demand. Does it mean it will take longer to upgrade gear. Yes. Is this necessarily a bad thing? I'm leaning no because as stated it is a roll back to the way it was before. Before NW how long did it take to farm raps for NV 2nd cast? And how expensive was it? And how many people actually had Warsoul weapons?

So you are saying a basic upgrade, which everybody who wants to be relevant has, should now take a year of NW? Not to mention you need 4 of these upgrades. So 4 years to farm ones gear, do you really think thats a good idea?

For Non cash shoppers it used to take a year to level to 8x. It used to take a year or more to get NV 2nd cast. It used to take a year or more to learn most of the class skills. If it takes one 4 years to upgrade gears with NW then they are complete fails. Most of the relevant people you speak of have been in the game for at least 3 years. I see no problem with it.

It never took a year to reach 8x. It never took a year to reach N2 either. If one gets 50 supply tokens per NW, they get total 5,2k supply tokens a year if they do it each and every time. You need total 19,470 supply tokens for all your upgrades. To get them all in 3 years one would need 63 tokens per each NW. They would also need to attend each and every one of them for 3 years straight. This is not accounting NW pots one uses for different events, which in span of 3 years is gonna be a lot of supply tokens. So tell me how fail N3s have to be to not get 63 supply tokens at current rates when full r9t3s struggle to hit 50 on certain nations?



See my previous post.

IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT BUT YOUR OWN IF YOU DO NOT SET UP A CATSHOP AND MERCHANT COIN TO BUY SoWS ETC NEEDED TO UPGRADE GEARS. AT 100 TOKENS PER WEEK IT TAKES ONLY 5 WEEKS TO MAKE ENOUGH TO GET THE REQURED TOKENS TO UPGRADE MOST GEARS. AT THE SAME TIME EARN THE SoW BY USING OTHER METHODS THE GAME OFFERS TO GET THEM.

Your previous post which ignores every other aspect of the game is an insult.

And yes it did take some a year to get NV2 etc. I mean NV didn't drop raps and cannies like candy. other set up catshops and people bought....oh wait.. is that how they did it?

Stop your foolishness

saxroll wrote: »

Did you get dropped as a baby? Cause I am not sure if are simply a troll or lack something up there.

And as for buying from other players, lol. There are currently none on shops on Etherblade. And even if there were, supply tokens are being sold at 150k a pop. This comes as 8,8m per SoW. The prices werent that high when NW first came out. Now if you think its fair or even a good idea to move goalpost further away after some people have achieved it, you clearly know nothing.

It's jadasia. She's known for being dumb and victim blame-y over pixels and having terrible gear despite how much she pontificates about it being easy to get things and that it is fine to make things harder to obtain again.

It's basically the MMO equivalent of a poor person always going against their best interests and hating other people that want to make living conditions better.​​

@mulier @razzzza I will try to re-uninstall to see if it works. I had the same thing going as well (shortcut arc bypass) but for some reason cross server was not working without arc maybe just me.

@chary @saxroll Actually I'd probably hazard to say that players with "lesser" gear in this game have more farm cred than players with max gear. Players who farm and increase their gear gradually are more likely to be the players who don't supplement their farm with a credit card and therefore probably have a more accurate idea of what is reasonable effort to farm gear. I won't say your opinion is wrong or that Jadsia's is because you both have good points, but it kind of shows who has the stronger (or at least more clever) argument when one side consistently resorts to personal insult as a defensive argument.
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eirghan said:

@chary @saxroll Actually I'd probably hazard to say that players with "lesser" gear in this game have more farm cred than players with max gear. Players who farm and increase their gear gradually are more likely to be the players who don't supplement their farm with a credit card and therefore probably have a more accurate idea of what is reasonable effort to farm gear. I won't say your opinion is wrong or that Jadsia's is because you both have good points, but it kind of shows who has the stronger (or at least more clever) argument when one side consistently resorts to personal insult as a defensive argument.

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What argument? According to Jadasia one should buy SoWs for gear upgrades, which isnt happening with current token rewards. People use NW pots, at 105 thats 8 supply tokens per pot. Weekly I use 4 hours for NW aka 32 tokens. This is w/o TW(cause everybody noshows us) or xserver TW. I can make bout bout 2 SoWs weekly being on server which gets manhandled in NW but I expect that number to only go down w/o token count change.

I cant speak for other servers but Etherblade has literally no SoWs on market. People use fair bit of their token rewards themselves. Out of whats left people sell most to friends/guildies, the amount to actually hit market is marginal at best, which is already showing. The prices are only going to increase as hoarders run out of supply tokens if the token count for NW isnt changed.

Some people seem to think SoWs just magically appear out of sky. The fact is, there is bloody few of them left already and its only been half a week. So buying doesnt only become more and more expensive but harder and harder to find sellers for them, which results into need to farm them, which takes years at this token count.

I feel needing years of farming for ones gear is a bad idea, specially when half the NWs are on Friday at a time, which makes it hard for Muricans to attend. Not forgetting the fact majority of people, who are going to get those upgrades, already got them. And moving goalpost further away is basically dumbest thing you can do for the longevity of the game.

The only thing making SoWs harder to obtain at this point in the game does is makes more people decide to quit and those that have come back to decide to not stay. You already have to run so many dailies and everything just to catch up and stay up that having one less thing to worry about is very good.

@eirghan - My gear is completely farmed/merched outside of the r8 which was the last thing I ever cs'd for back when it first came out into the cash shop years ago. But thanks for assuming I'm some heavy cashshopper. I assure you that, if I were, I'd have been fully +12 and jaded a long time ago.​​

Merchanting takes time patience and a certain degree of cleverness

@chary I fail to see how anything i said implied you were a heavy cash shopper. Sorry i offended you.

Your point was that jadsia still has **** gear therefore she is dumb. Please excuse my paraphrase this quote feature sucks. I was pointing out that people with "****" gear are probably not dumb and just farming slowly... and having "****" gear for a period of time is a good indicator of actual farming. As you would know if you farmed yours you most likely didnt get everything overnight. Not saying that it took you as long or whatever. Its completely beside the point. Point is i think that fact does the opposite. It does not make her dumb or even look dumb. It lends a certain credibility to her opinion.

@saxroll i appreciate your clarification but i dont disagree with your opinion. I already stated both sides have good points. I just think it makes your argument (a series of statements typically used to persuade someone of something or to present reasons for accepting a conclusion) look weak when you guys throw personal insults at each other.

Anyway.

Jadsia being a farmer does not equal chary being a heavy cash shopper. @_@

God this community is so afraid of cash shopper status people fly off the handle when the opposite word is used in reference to the person they are debating with. I dont even.

bloodedone87 said:

jadasia said:

saxroll said:

eirghan said:

@chary @saxroll Actually I'd probably hazard to say that players with "lesser" gear in this game have more farm cred than players with max gear. Players who farm and increase their gear gradually are more likely to be the players who don't supplement their farm with a credit card and therefore probably have a more accurate idea of what is reasonable effort to farm gear. I won't say your opinion is wrong or that Jadsia's is because you both have good points, but it kind of shows who has the stronger (or at least more clever) argument when one side consistently resorts to personal insult as a defensive argument.

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What argument? According to Jadasia one should buy SoWs for gear upgrades, which isnt happening with current token rewards. People use NW pots, at 105 thats 8 supply tokens per pot. Weekly I use 4 hours for NW aka 32 tokens. This is w/o TW(cause everybody noshows us) or xserver TW. I can make bout bout 2 SoWs weekly being on server which gets manhandled in NW but I expect that number to only go down w/o token count change.

I cant speak for other servers but Etherblade has literally no SoWs on market. People use fair bit of their token rewards themselves. Out of whats left people sell most to friends/guildies, the amount to actually hit market is marginal at best, which is already showing. The prices are only going to increase as hoarders run out of supply tokens if the token count for NW isnt changed.

Some people seem to think SoWs just magically appear out of sky. The fact is, there is bloody few of them left already and its only been half a week. So buying doesnt only become more and more expensive but harder and harder to find sellers for them, which results into need to farm them, which takes years at this token count.

I feel needing years of farming for ones gear is a bad idea, specially when half the NWs are on Friday at a time, which makes it hard for Muricans to attend. Not forgetting the fact majority of people, who are going to get those upgrades, already got them. And moving goalpost further away is basically dumbest thing you can do for the longevity of the game.

Weird but I set up a catshop last night before I went to bed and I set a price to buy some SoWs and when I woke up and when looked at the catshop this morning after I woke up some SoWs were there. I suppose you think I must be using some kind of strange dark powerful magic to make that happen.

If there is nobody on your server dealing in SoW then there is a huge market opportunity to make a lot of coin. Create a market. All You are spewing is excuses. It's no wonder it will take you years to accomplish anything. This is exactly why poor people stay poor. They complain, blame, and shame and do absolutely nothing to take advantage of an opportunity right in front of their faces.

Very few people on my server were dealing with WS mats especially at the NW forges until I and a couple others set up a shop for them. Now there are several all over town buying and selling WS mats and a market was created.

Do continue to QQ while the likes of me take advantage of the situation and earn what we need to upgrade our gears. It's people like you who actually make it much easier for people like me. Means less competition for me. PWI has been moving the goal posts ever since before they created the tideborne class. That's nothing new. Stop thinking about what everyone else has and focus on your own char.

Since you are talking about times since before they created tideborn I assume that you play since those times. And I assume that by now you are already full r9r3+12 with atleast A card set maxed out? Since you claim to be such a good merchanter you must be r9r3+12 no?

I quit the game and came back 5 times. each time I was absent for about 4 to 8 months. Every time I came back I was way behind and had to catch up.

Also I refused to go r9 last year because I somehow lost my r9 ring and the GMs refuse to reset the quest so I can get another. I focused on farming refines for my NV 3rd cast instead.

I spent 8 months farming my herc back in 2010 and 2011 and many more months farming my nix. Spent months farming r8 gears and refines in 2011 and 2012. Not to mention farming for all the skills I can get. I play PvE mostly and had no ambition to max out my gears to keep up with the rest.

I like having room to improve my character. I level it and upgrade it when I feel like it. Also I have given away more than 4 bil worth of mats, coin, etc to friends since 2010 and asked for nothing in return. Hell, I just gave away over 300 of those badges people farm in WS to someone rerolling their NV3 before I decided to get r9rrr armors. I gave away more than 400 mil of the 600+ mill I made with my catshop in a month 2 years ago to a friend trying to get +12 orbs for her gear.

Thinking about it I gave away as much if not more than I spent on myself over the years I've been active. Do not tell me I have to be Full r9rrr +12 JSOD because I have been playing since march 2009 because I had my own style and priorities for my character as I played the game. I spent more than 9 months at level 7x while farming my herc and another 8 months at level 8x farming my nix. I chose not to level when I was spamming HH runs for mats.

Oh and by the way being a good merchant does not mean one maxes anything out. It means being a good merchant. I have friends who spent more on mounts and fash than I did on my r9rrr and warsoul gears and refines. All I'm saying is that the opportunity is there to take advantage of. It's insane to insist one has to farm every NW token to upgrade their gears when people like me buy and sell the tradable mats made from them day and night. Last spring I started out with 15 GSTs and just catshopping and buying gold from the AH I ended up with 112 GSTs and 9 +10 orbs from the spend promo at the time in 2 weeks. I added those to the 8 +10 Orbs I earned during a spend promo the previous November when I had surgery for carpal tunnel.

As I stated I like people who nay say. They don't even try so that leaves people like me with less competition to deal with.

jadasia said:

bloodedone87 said:

jadasia said:

saxroll said:

eirghan said:

@chary @saxroll Actually I'd probably hazard to say that players with "lesser" gear in this game have more farm cred than players with max gear. Players who farm and increase their gear gradually are more likely to be the players who don't supplement their farm with a credit card and therefore probably have a more accurate idea of what is reasonable effort to farm gear. I won't say your opinion is wrong or that Jadsia's is because you both have good points, but it kind of shows who has the stronger (or at least more clever) argument when one side consistently resorts to personal insult as a defensive argument.

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What argument? According to Jadasia one should buy SoWs for gear upgrades, which isnt happening with current token rewards. People use NW pots, at 105 thats 8 supply tokens per pot. Weekly I use 4 hours for NW aka 32 tokens. This is w/o TW(cause everybody noshows us) or xserver TW. I can make bout bout 2 SoWs weekly being on server which gets manhandled in NW but I expect that number to only go down w/o token count change.

I cant speak for other servers but Etherblade has literally no SoWs on market. People use fair bit of their token rewards themselves. Out of whats left people sell most to friends/guildies, the amount to actually hit market is marginal at best, which is already showing. The prices are only going to increase as hoarders run out of supply tokens if the token count for NW isnt changed.

Some people seem to think SoWs just magically appear out of sky. The fact is, there is bloody few of them left already and its only been half a week. So buying doesnt only become more and more expensive but harder and harder to find sellers for them, which results into need to farm them, which takes years at this token count.

I feel needing years of farming for ones gear is a bad idea, specially when half the NWs are on Friday at a time, which makes it hard for Muricans to attend. Not forgetting the fact majority of people, who are going to get those upgrades, already got them. And moving goalpost further away is basically dumbest thing you can do for the longevity of the game.

Weird but I set up a catshop last night before I went to bed and I set a price to buy some SoWs and when I woke up and when looked at the catshop this morning after I woke up some SoWs were there. I suppose you think I must be using some kind of strange dark powerful magic to make that happen.

If there is nobody on your server dealing in SoW then there is a huge market opportunity to make a lot of coin. Create a market. All You are spewing is excuses. It's no wonder it will take you years to accomplish anything. This is exactly why poor people stay poor. They complain, blame, and shame and do absolutely nothing to take advantage of an opportunity right in front of their faces.

Very few people on my server were dealing with WS mats especially at the NW forges until I and a couple others set up a shop for them. Now there are several all over town buying and selling WS mats and a market was created.

Do continue to QQ while the likes of me take advantage of the situation and earn what we need to upgrade our gears. It's people like you who actually make it much easier for people like me. Means less competition for me. PWI has been moving the goal posts ever since before they created the tideborne class. That's nothing new. Stop thinking about what everyone else has and focus on your own char.

Since you are talking about times since before they created tideborn I assume that you play since those times. And I assume that by now you are already full r9r3+12 with atleast A card set maxed out? Since you claim to be such a good merchanter you must be r9r3+12 no?

I quit the game and came back 5 times. each time I was absent for about 4 to 8 months. Every time I came back I was way behind and had to catch up.

Also I refused to go r9 last year because I somehow lost my r9 ring and the GMs refuse to reset the quest so I can get another. I focused on farming refines for my NV 3rd cast instead.

I spent 8 months farming my herc back in 2010 and 2011 and many more months farming my nix. Spent months farming r8 gears and refines in 2011 and 2012. Not to mention farming for all the skills I can get. I play PvE mostly and had no ambition to max out my gears to keep up with the rest.

I like having room to improve my character. I level it and upgrade it when I feel like it. Also I have given away more than 4 bil worth of mats, coin, etc to friends since 2010 and asked for nothing in return. Hell, I just gave away over 300 of those badges people farm in WS to someone rerolling their NV3 before I decided to get r9rrr armors. I gave away more than 400 mil of the 600+ mill I made with my catshop in a month 2 years ago to a friend trying to get +12 orbs for her gear.

Thinking about it I gave away as much if not more than I spent on myself over the years I've been active. Do not tell me I have to be Full r9rrr +12 JSOD because I have been playing since march 2009 because I had my own style and priorities for my character as I played the game. I spent more than 9 months at level 7x while farming my herc and another 8 months at level 8x farming my nix. I chose not to level when I was spamming HH runs for mats.

Oh and by the way being a good merchant does not mean one maxes anything out. It means being a good merchant. I have friends who spent more on mounts and fash than I did on my r9rrr and warsoul gears and refines. All I'm saying is that the opportunity is there to take advantage of. It's insane to insist one has to farm every NW token to upgrade their gears when people like me buy and sell the tradable mats made from them day and night. Last spring I started out with 15 GSTs and just catshopping and buying gold from the AH I ended up with 112 GSTs and 9 +10 orbs from the spend promo at the time in 2 weeks. I added those to the 8 +10 Orbs I earned during a spend promo the previous November when I had surgery for carpal tunnel.

As I stated I like people who nay say. They don't even try so that leaves people like me with less competition to deal with.

First: I didnt asked you to tell me the story of your character in PW.
Second: I didnt tell you that you have to be full r9rrr+12. And I didnt even mentioned JOSD.
I was just simply assuming. Assuming not being certain, that you are r9rrr+12 . You are not. I dont care.
But stop telling others what to do like its a must. You can give advices but the way you formulate your phrases it feels like you are demanding people to do it your way.
Now in the end please read cynderangel comment 100 times. Maybe you will understand something.
BTW. they decided to increase the number of suplies so We won. YAY:
http://forum.arcgames.com/pwi/discussion/1203705/nation-wars-the-information#latest

Feel free to comment if you want. I wont give you any response.
I feel this thread gonna be closed soon if it continue this way.

bloodedone87 wrote: »

I feel this thread gonna be closed soon if it continue this way.

I dunno, I left it specifically for all the whine. It is getting dangerously close to being a bashing thread. Someone hit their three strikes on profanity as well.

Still, I'll sit here with my popcorn and keep an eye on it.​​

@eirghan knowing me you will get a nice transposition and voidstep hahaha but legit bright pink fem seeker got it. Which server? You better bring your A game I play to win :P

jadasia said:

saxroll said:

eirghan said:

@chary @saxroll Actually I'd probably hazard to say that players with "lesser" gear in this game have more farm cred than players with max gear. Players who farm and increase their gear gradually are more likely to be the players who don't supplement their farm with a credit card and therefore probably have a more accurate idea of what is reasonable effort to farm gear. I won't say your opinion is wrong or that Jadsia's is because you both have good points, but it kind of shows who has the stronger (or at least more clever) argument when one side consistently resorts to personal insult as a defensive argument.

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What argument? According to Jadasia one should buy SoWs for gear upgrades, which isnt happening with current token rewards. People use NW pots, at 105 thats 8 supply tokens per pot. Weekly I use 4 hours for NW aka 32 tokens. This is w/o TW(cause everybody noshows us) or xserver TW. I can make bout bout 2 SoWs weekly being on server which gets manhandled in NW but I expect that number to only go down w/o token count change.

I cant speak for other servers but Etherblade has literally no SoWs on market. People use fair bit of their token rewards themselves. Out of whats left people sell most to friends/guildies, the amount to actually hit market is marginal at best, which is already showing. The prices are only going to increase as hoarders run out of supply tokens if the token count for NW isnt changed.

Some people seem to think SoWs just magically appear out of sky. The fact is, there is bloody few of them left already and its only been half a week. So buying doesnt only become more and more expensive but harder and harder to find sellers for them, which results into need to farm them, which takes years at this token count.

I feel needing years of farming for ones gear is a bad idea, specially when half the NWs are on Friday at a time, which makes it hard for Muricans to attend. Not forgetting the fact majority of people, who are going to get those upgrades, already got them. And moving goalpost further away is basically dumbest thing you can do for the longevity of the game.

Weird but I set up a catshop last night before I went to bed and I set a price to buy some SoWs and when I woke up and when looked at the catshop this morning after I woke up some SoWs were there. I suppose you think I must be using some kind of strange dark powerful magic to make that happen.

If there is nobody on your server dealing in SoW then there is a huge market opportunity to make a lot of coin. Create a market. All You are spewing is excuses. It's no wonder it will take you years to accomplish anything. This is exactly why poor people stay poor. They complain, blame, and shame and do absolutely nothing to take advantage of an opportunity right in front of their faces.

Very few people on my server were dealing with WS mats especially at the NW forges until I and a couple others set up a shop for them. Now there are several all over town buying and selling WS mats and a market was created.

Do continue to QQ while the likes of me take advantage of the situation and earn what we need to upgrade our gears. It's people like you who actually make it much easier for people like me. Means less competition for me. PWI has been moving the goal posts ever since before they created the tideborne class. That's nothing new. Stop thinking about what everyone else has and focus on your own char.

Sigh. The reason only idiot would of gotten on SoW market is because what already happened, they increased token count, which will plummet inflated prices. You know, I made risk assessment and trying to merch SoWs at inflated prices was just not worth it. Its not like we didnt have SoW market, it was just bought out as a result of god horrible token count for NW and somebody is going to take a hit for it.

I do love how you assume I am poor in this game. I would make wild guess I have more wealth both in my gear and in my inventories than you do. Not that I see how thats in any way relevant. You also missed the comment bout moving the goalpost in a manner you are either willfully ignorant or just ignorant to the point explaining it further would be waste of my time.