well now that r9 got so expencive how do us g16 ppl keep up with the game

Even g16 for support classes really doesn't cut it anymore a lot of the time unless you're a veno or just a barb buffer for a squad.

djsxe said:

"how do us g16 ppl keep up with the game"? I would leave... this would make R9 mats prices go down, because less players would play.

I dont know if to laugh or to facepalm...

@johndoe069 As a F2P and a full nv3 bm i dont consider myself that bad, however im still a one shot for many r999. The things i have advantage with, lets say spirit being one, are easily obtainable by others through in game methods, so yesterday i saw a bm with the r999 axe and used an eye of observation on him and i thought i can beat him quite easy. why because he only had 189 spirit vs my 1000. The thing is that as a nv3 player that may never become r999, i have to work harder at upgrading everything else. Nuemas must be done, i had all of them maxed till lvl 7 came out, Old primal passive maxed, One more meridian gate to open, working on Candle Flame set and refine when i can to boost survivabilty. All of this work, but my good friend @eirghan still kick my **** easily. Nv3 is **** compared to r999, but good for pve. The thing is john im reading what you're saying and the truth is as ghan mentioned there are other variables that adds up. the problem is the gear That bm i mentioned earlier can have 1k spirit too if he wants, he could get it in a shorter time than it took me seeing as when i started out my sky lvls we didnt have fancy vitae boosting items. So while eirghan and i have our differences i do agree with her here the gear is all that counts in end. Those non cash shop variables can easily be obtained by all

How much R9 cost after merge? I know before was like 4.5b or something like that.

I can only speak for my own experience honestly, but when it comes to my own build - when i roll defense mode in NW I'm sitting on 61 defense levels and 901 spirit before inkdragon and i dont currently have event gold for the spirit coins. Cleric buffs only right now (which would be the same buff amounts i get on me when i respawn in NW) I've got 83.7% mag defense (slightly higher on the wood due to my chart) and 90.3% phys defense. With bell the pdef pushes higher. I can't recall being actually *one shot* in NW under those circumstances. Yes I do die in NW, but so do r9rr +12 players as well. When i switch over to attack mode I'm at 116 attack levels pushed up to 136 with frenzy. Attack and Defense levels such as those are pretty darn close to what you see on your average r9rr players I believe. Now, there are those that shard with Deities at the cost of having no defenses from sharding, and there are those that shard fully JOSD which are pretty damn hard to do damage to, esp in the case of a seeker with level 11 adrenal numbness.. But if these are what we are comparing "g16" to - are these builds really the norm? I don't think so. Arguably, going +12 across the board with full JOSD/Deity in armor and Drakeflame/Primeval/Savant/Icebourne in weapon and having Nuema Portal set fully leveled up is more costly than "being r9rr". If we're comparing "g16" to that kind of build then things are going to always be heavy to r9rr's favor I will admit. However, i do know of a Heavy Armor G16 mystic on my server that hits me harder than a particular full r9rr +10 mystic does.

@kyoske
my apologies, i assumed that my forum avatar would give away the fact that I'm a strength built barbarian second rebirth levels 104 103 103. My base magic is 3, base vit is 5, 102 with gear mods. Strength with gear mods is sitting at 726. Dex with gear mods is 73 with sky cover ring - 80 with the +7 dex engrave on either my r8 ring or sign of frost: chaos. Still have to work on my sky cover's engrave to get the +7 dex again to get that extra crit point back. For a tome i wear a Battle Tactics - 25 stat points spread between vit and str. I see no reason to upgrade beyond that at the price it would cost for just 1% crit at the next level, or going to a pan gu to get -int which is most useless in end game PVE, and beyond that we get skill damage boost passives which make skill spam more productive. Not to mention the fact that a pan gu spreads the points thin where i have them already and adds points to areas i dont really need them. Future plans for a tome upgrade would be getting a scroll of tome then upgrading that to dominance/emperor. I play on Tideswell server and yes there are a handfull of those fully maxed out toons on here in the top tier factions. I can give a few of them a hard time for sure, can I kill them alone? No. Not with my current refine levels and spirit. Can I kill a +10 or so r9rr toon that isn't sharding with jades/vits? Yes. In NW i wear a tome, auto potter with both types of defense charms, i have attack charms, NW level 104 buff apoth some times. The apoth i carry is vacuity powder, ironguard (used after either anti stun skill or domain, to get the immunity without the stun), dew of star/stone turtle, shadowbinders/sun chasers/chargers for flag battles. Survival is aided beyond that by invoke the spirit and solid shield on a 95 str genie. During my stun combo, I throw in a clean sweep on particularly tough opponents to go for the purge proc. BM's get a purge pole as one of the usable weapons... and i know i hear a lot of "it doesnt work well" complaints but - if youre using skills that give an effect of their own, it reduces the chance of the weapons own effect, so auto attacks work best to get the purge off of them. Another trick *nods to "Man" for teaching me this one* - use it with celestial sword genie skill - which will carry the weapon's proc along with it.

Frighten decreases opponents phys attacks (you could use myriad sword stance), and demon version has a chance to aoe stun for 3 seconds (you have roar of the pride for a longer stun, more probability). Demon roar is a surprise to those sins and BMs that still try to APS me down, since it gives 10 seconds of 100% damage reflection (some people use alpha male for a similar effect where there is no veno bramble available). storm bringers can be nasty yeah.. i have a TT 70 LA one, not rebirthed, on archosaur (or is it called etherblade now?) that i took into NW once or twice. After using the overseer buff for some heightened attack/defense levels - i was able to wittle a charmless g15 barb down to about 25% HP by myself before i was ganked on. And that was in the space of 1 crystal to the next.

razzzza said:

teabagg wrote: »

Anyways if your on a pve server YOU DONT NEED IT.NW is just once a week just take your beating,TW as well but its a joke.Let the rich kids play and you can laugh at them because once this game truly dies they will be paying on this junk for years to come.



I had 3 chances to do my r9 but decided to just roll another toon to put coin into.When I tend to lose intrest in games if I cant be versatile in multiple characters of the game.I do still save stuff for that day I actually get real bored to go r9.

NW is twice a week actually.



I do like those comments like yours because often i hear stuff like "laugh at them who has better gear as you have". Assuming they just cash in all their money wherever it may come from and not thinking about "well farming is an option too or merching..." is just wrong.

I dont thin everyone who runs around in r9+10 cashed every little bit of it and you as a g16+5 guy just looks at what he got and assume it was purely cashed and wasted because.. you know the game gets shut down eventually.

But so does your 3000$ TV which goes poof aver a few years. is that money wasted? i dont think so. Let people spend their money at whatever they want.

Its like you are laughing at a guy with a big **** TV because you have a 100$ TV at home and it was all just a waste because you can do asmuch as he can.



rolling multiple chars is an option for some yea but i dont like having 5 characters with trashlike gear. i want one char i can focus on and see him grow to the point where people like you would laugh at them from your 5 characters because all 5 could not beat his one character... probably.



But thats none of my buisness ​​

Who ever said he has a $3000 TV?

A better analogy would have been a person who pays for satellite or cable TV just throws $70 - $100 away each month. And the guy who uses an Antenna just mocks and laughs at the guy who pays for the privilege of having so much more variety.

Whatever it's a broke person just trying to mentally justify his material inequality and means by pretending to be better off having insufficient gear thus getting rolled derp style by those who have the privilege of buying better gear. Broke people don't think in terms of working hard to achieve anything. They mock and belittle those who have. I personally know a lot of people who farmed their r9rrr gear and spents months and months leveling to 105 3 times only to be accused of being goon glitchers and cash shoppers by people just like Teabag.

jadasia wrote: »

I personally know a lot of people who farmed their r9rrr gear and spents months and months leveling to 105 3 times only to be accused of being goon glitchers and cash shoppers by people just like Teabag.

Let's assume for argument's sake that the person glitched on goons, they got 105. The other two 105's was gotten through pv runs and other means. You can not use goons to get 105x3. Even if people goon glitch, they still put in the effort two more times to hit 105.

Whether you are a heavy cash shopper, non paying player or a mix, reaching 105x3 is still hard work. Getting your badges from fws 200~500 badges = takes time. Only those people who go full r999 in one shot know that the hardest things in pwi is opening those blasted chip packs to make gsts. That stuff is painful.

But hey, people say what people say, people do what people do, we just live like how we want to live ​​

jabq said:

Only those people who go full r999 in one shot know that the hardest things in pwi is opening those blasted chip packs to make gsts. That stuff is painful.​​

The hardest thing in pwi is to play game without money for expensive equipment and skills.

jabq wrote: »

thank you @eirghan Worst part was, when a few other people in faction also get gsts for r9 and they ask you to help opening up the chip packs after you got done .

I tell them it's their right of passage and to do it themselves.
I promise to mail them an ice pack for their wrist ​​