g16 WS vs Warsoul
demonixdemon
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I was planning to get warsoul axes but a friend of mine told me it isnt worth it. So i wanted to get different people's opinions. Is Warsoul better than g16? Is it worth to get? In terms of price, damage, everything.
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Between the two, G16 is going to be cheaper by a fair amount. IIRC damage will be close, but the possible adds from G16 are better. It's been a while since I looked them up though so don't quote me on the damage.
For the cost to make the Warsoul Axes, I think you could almost just go R9 instead.0 -
sylenthunder wrote: »Between the two, G16 is going to be cheaper by a fair amount. IIRC damage will be close, but the possible adds from G16 are better. It's been a while since I looked them up though so don't quote me on the damage.
For the cost to make the Warsoul Axes, I think you could almost just go R9 instead.
Essentially this. G16 is much cheaper, easier to farm, and the damage gap is typically close enough that it's not worth worrying about. In addition, the proc on Warsoul axes is... pretty terrible. If it had a different proc you could consider it as much more viable and a better investment. As is, however, the difference isn't worth the cost unless you prefer Warsoul's aesthetics.(Insert fancy image here)
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it Really depends on the adds for g16, for the most part WS will typically hit harder with its 60+ attack vlls and usually has addons specifically benefiting the classes that would typically use them. i can't remember much about the axes other then it has bleed however Dx (bleed might i add doesn't suffer from the 75% damage reduction from pvp and stacks!) there are a few BM's on our server that are full WS weapons, its certainly worth investing in if you have the money but i'd get g16 first and max your other gears if you haven't yet.
also people saying if you go warsoul you might as well go r9, its hardly close if you plan on farming the tokens. r9 costs 1.5b+ coin on sale weapon being the most. warsoul costs about 450m for second cast (depending if you make it via tokens or buy it to be crafted/premade) + whatever you use to recast (actually quite cheap since its only one random stat really for phys weapons 2 for magic. i rerolled my pataka till i got 63+ attack and -10% chan) just the weapon for r9 is about 940m
(below are prices on RT)
MoG = 35m
GST = 9m
weapon needs 5 Mogs (175m) and 85 GST (760m) and before you can even get the weapon you need the ring wich is
3 Mogs (105m) and 32 GST (288m) for a grand price of 1,153,000,000
WS t1 fee = 260m
SoW = 2.4m (need about 50ish i think? anyway around 120m)
t2 fee = 78m (if i remember right)
458m total
if you are lazy and buy tokens, token price is 10k and adds a TON to your cost.
680 tokens = 6.8m
the t1 mats will cost you about 500k each x700 350m, extra (yikes!)
end total is 814.8m
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Unless it was changed or you're mistakenly thinking of pets, it very much does suffer from the damage reductions. And physical defense reducing it as well. While it does stack, I don't think anyone would care about taking 75 damage once every 3 seconds when they have well over 10k-20k HP.it has bleed however Dx (bleed might i add doesn't suffer from the 75% damage reduction from pvp and stacks!)(Insert fancy image here)0 -
Yep i was mixed up, my bad. its the bless effects that it ignores (bless, hood, invoke, etc)
Unless it was changed or you're mistakenly thinking of pets, it very much does suffer from the damage reductions. And physical defense reducing it as well. While it does stack, I don't think anyone would care about taking 75 damage once every 3 seconds when they have well over 10k-20k HP.it has bleed however Dx (bleed might i add doesn't suffer from the 75% damage reduction from pvp and stacks!)
tho it is slightly more effective then that. i've been killed more then once by the bleed effect of brothers of fear. 5000 bleed damage with reduction = 1250 DoT that can stack QUITE high if they combine stuns and APS, i tend to bleed out when i try to AD or irongaurd to escape the stunlock. its a nightmare for AA's without purify weapon.
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That 1.2k bleed also has to deal with physical defense. Bypassing damage reducing skills such as BB, Invoke, and the like, is an inherent property of DoTs in general, so that's actually not something unique or special about the proc from the axes. For an arcane that doesn't have high-end gear and ornaments? Yeah it's a minor issue. For just about anyone else since they should have at least 80% damage reduction? You're looking at 250 damage. Spread out over 15 seconds and doing one tick per 3 seconds. That's 50 damage every 3 seconds which is kinda completely negligible to the vast majority of everyone nowadays. And dual axes are not APS friendly. Seriously, the only weapons in the game that are slower than axes are archer weapons They don't have a proc chance that's nearly high enough to make that 50 damage every 3 seconds stack up to be anything worthwhile... and in general, the auto-attacks themselves (counterproductive as they'll be on anything that isn't a low defense player without purify who would likely go down faster to proper skill use anyways) will be doing more than the entire bleed stack will if someone can get it off.
Yep i was mixed up, my bad. its the bless effects that it ignores (bless, hood, invoke, etc)
Unless it was changed or you're mistakenly thinking of pets, it very much does suffer from the damage reductions. And physical defense reducing it as well. While it does stack, I don't think anyone would care about taking 75 damage once every 3 seconds when they have well over 10k-20k HP.it has bleed however Dx (bleed might i add doesn't suffer from the 75% damage reduction from pvp and stacks!) tho it is slightly more effective then that. i've been killed more then once by the bleed effect of brothers of fear. 5000 bleed damage with reduction = 1250 DoT that can stack QUITE high if they combine stuns and APS, i tend to bleed out when i try to AD or irongaurd to escape the stunlock. its a nightmare for AA's without purify weapon.
Now if the proc were just about anything else (there are a few procs just as bad as this or worse for any class thatd be using warsoul axes seriously), then sure it'd actually be pretty worth it. You'd have a damage advantage from attack levels, the base add-ons are very nice and predictable so you don't have to worry about rerolling, and the weapon looks better and is far more notable than the G16 Nirvana one. The proc, however, is so bad overall that it actually detracts from the weapon and its cost doesn't help with that.
If at least the looks are nice to you, then sure it can be worth it on looks alone. For functionality, though.... the realm where Warsoul axes are better than G16 in a noteworthy way is very narrow and won't come up too often. Well, aside from running around with a level 80 character who has a +12 warsoul weapon just because they can.(Insert fancy image here)0 -
For the price of Warsoul, you could have r9 ring, a couple other r9 pieces, and g16 wep which will do 10x more for your char than just a wep.0
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why in these talks about cost of r9, the cost of getting 300k rep is forgotten? don't need rank for warsoul use.0
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why in these talks about cost of r9, the cost of getting 300k rep is forgotten? don't need rank for warsoul use.
Rep is considered pretty much a non-issue. Morai and BH have a lot to do with that as you can get rep much faster and for free from those than you could have in the past.(Insert fancy image here)0 -
sure rep can be "farmed" quicker than in the past, but you still need it and if you are gong to farm rep like that... it aint gonna get done in a few months. i'll say it, rank gear is better, but you don't need r9 to take out an r9 that isn't maxed/highly refined. i use a warsoul bow on both an archer and sin (sin is fun with a bow and sparked out of stealth/roving ambush).. there's another fun fact warsoul can used on as many toons as you got that can use em (as long as you don't bind it to an account). n3 can cost a bit (coin and/or time for reroll mats) to get a roll that you like.. you know what you're gonna get with warsoul other than atk lvls.
if want be cheap stick with n3 and limit your rerolls. if want to go "balls to the wall" go r9. if want to be in the middle go warsoul. pros and cons.. just depends what you (not others) want to do with the toon.0 -
sure rep can be "farmed" quicker than in the past, but you still need it and if you are gong to farm rep like that... it aint gonna get done in a few months. i'll say it, rank gear is better, but you don't need r9 to take out an r9 that isn't maxed/highly refined. i use a warsoul bow on both an archer and sin (sin is fun with a bow and sparked out of stealth/roving ambush).. there's another fun fact warsoul can used on as many toons as you got that can use em (as long as you don't bind it to an account). n3 can cost a bit (coin and/or time for reroll mats) to get a roll that you like.. you know what you're gonna get with warsoul other than atk lvls.
if want be cheap stick with n3 and limit your rerolls. if want to go "balls to the wall" go r9. if want to be in the middle go warsoul. pros and cons.. just depends what you (not others) want to do with the toon.
actually it can be gotten quite quickly, about 100 days at the longest, faster if you have more rebirth 100 chars. FS is 3000 rep a day per character. you make warsong emblems with the coins.
also pointing back to my original post warsoul is still far cheaper then r9 if you farm it, even if you farm r9 (rep included) you still have to buy MoGs and GST there is almost no way around it, and thats assuming you have the ring and rep for it. (458m ws) (760m r9 weapon)
(below are prices on RT)
MoG = 35m
GST = 9m
weapon needs 5 Mogs (175m) and 85 GST (760m) and before you can even get the weapon you need the ring wich is
3 Mogs (105m) and 32 GST (288m) for a grand price of 1,153,000,000
WS t1 fee = 260m
SoW = 2.4m (need about 50ish i think? anyway around 120m)
t2 fee = 78m (if i remember right)
458m total
if you are lazy and buy tokens, token price is 10k and adds a TON to your cost.
680 tokens = 6.8m
the t1 mats will cost you about 500k each x700 350m, extra (yikes!)
end total is 814.8m
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cud make a lengthy post...but warsoul weapons are trash, all warsoul weapons0
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I have a warsoul weapon that i farmed and i love it. It 100% does hit harder than g16 and the stats are nicer in my opinion for casters. For HA in my opinion its pretty crappy. As said above the proc rate sucks. At least on my server though the people saying you can get a few pieces of r9 for the cost are exaggerating.
That said (again experience from my server only) there are tons of warsoul weapons floating around. Why? People farm them, then decide to r9 anyway. You just cant beat the puri/purge/zerk. Ever. So think hard about your future plans before wasting your time or money investing. If youre not sure, get g16 until you are.Post edited by eirghan on
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best bow a lazy sin can have (warsoul s2):D0
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it Really depends on the adds for g16, for the most part WS will typically hit harder with its 60+ attack vlls and usually has addons specifically benefiting the classes that would typically use them. i can't remember much about the axes other then it has bleed however Dx (bleed might i add doesn't suffer from the 75% damage reduction from pvp and stacks!) there are a few BM's on our server that are full WS weapons, its certainly worth investing in if you have the money but i'd get g16 first and max your other gears if you haven't yet.
also people saying if you go warsoul you might as well go r9, its hardly close if you plan on farming the tokens. r9 costs 1.5b+ coin on sale weapon being the most. warsoul costs about 450m for second cast (depending if you make it via tokens or buy it to be crafted/premade) + whatever you use to recast (actually quite cheap since its only one random stat really for phys weapons 2 for magic. i rerolled my pataka till i got 63+ attack and -10% chan) just the weapon for r9 is about 940m
(below are prices on RT)
MoG = 35m
GST = 9m
weapon needs 5 Mogs (175m) and 85 GST (760m) and before you can even get the weapon you need the ring wich is
3 Mogs (105m) and 32 GST (288m) for a grand price of 1,153,000,000
WS t1 fee = 260m
SoW = 2.4m (need about 50ish i think? anyway around 120m)
t2 fee = 78m (if i remember right)
458m total
if you are lazy and buy tokens, token price is 10k and adds a TON to your cost.
680 tokens = 6.8m
the t1 mats will cost you about 500k each x700 350m, extra (yikes!)
end total is 814.8m
Buying the tokens doesn't add that much extra... 3500 tokens for T1 WS @ 10k each is only 35m... not 350.
Simply upt you shouldn't have to pay more than 475m to make T2 Warsoul... Much cheaper than R9 (About 1/2 the price of weapon alone.) If you're only debating between Warsoul or T3 and R9 is out of the question I would say the cost of a Warsoul weapon is worth it (Consider this: all who say "warsoul are trash" They're still better than T3, sure the "cost/effect" is higher, but they are undeniably better for *most* classes. Just as the cost/effect of JoSD are MUCH higher than Vit stones or just DoDs, but they again, are better for endgame.)
In fact, the main problem with Warsoul weapons is that the procs are crappy. R9RR weapon, for twice the price have slightly higher base damage,Post edited by virusofyourlife2 on0
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