Poll:auto Cultivation problem Poll

jwillson123

a)Remove auto culti
b)Chance coins value to all DQ items value to 1
c)Remove DQ items from the game
d)Do not change anything
e)Limit auto culti to an hour like hyper stones

To comment more go here to the suggestion thread.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1696751

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

Again with this? You are like a broken ******* record.

Eoria - Harshlands

1. Change dq drops to 1 coin ea.
2. Remove auto-culti.
3. Throw some month long bans on the accounts using 3rd party bots. Make it perma if they come back and decide to do it again.
4. Introduce new farming instances. (lol.)

p;

jwillson123

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide wrote: »

Again with this? You are like a broken ******* record.

I made this poll because some people said my last poll was not valid because there was not an option that said to keep auto culti and also I put other alternatives that were also discussed.

overcomem

Lame poll. Just only 24 votes. Stop crying. PWI won't do anything about it.

Colum - Raging Tide

Poll does not serve the options I wanted, which is:

1. Create instance or realms for autocultivation
2. Create a balancing coin-sink ingame

That or bye bye bots, thanks.

Evryn - Morai

Any solution implemented would need to cover -all- bots, not just autocultivation... or you're just favoring the cheaters once more.

heerohex#3018

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

Any solution implemented would need to cover -all- bots, not just autocultivation... or you're just favoring the cheaters once more.

Agreed!

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Poll does not serve the options I wanted, which is:

1. Create instance or realms for autocultivation
2. Create a balancing coin-sink ingame

That or bye bye bots, thanks.

This is interesting and I don't think has been talked about yet!

All good so Far! Ill be posting my info later I've had computer problems over the last few days... Long Story.... So im a little behind!

Thanks,

Xainou - Sanctuary

Just remove the ****, we've done without it before.


I doubt PWE will do that though, considering it gives them really nice "online numbers" ...

jwillson123

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

Any solution implemented would need to cover -all- bots, not just autocultivation... or you're just favoring the cheaters once more.

The second one was the solution you recommended.
Chance coins value to all DQ items value to 1

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Poll does not serve the options I wanted, which is:

1. Create instance or realms for autocultivation
2. Create a balancing coin-sink ingame

That or bye bye bots, thanks.

This will not fix the inflation problem It would make it worse unless the instance is very small and everyone that auto culti enters same location.


I got an idea about an excellent coin-sink that is option number
Remove DQ items from the game.Add new item like aquametals with new system like the old DQ points

heerohex#3018

Ok My Summery is now been posted.

Click Here

Ill update as needed.

Enjoy.

Thanks,

Veneir - Dreamweaver

@OP You should probably ask to have your old thread closed if you're just going to continue on with this one, and request a link to this thread on the closing mod post as well.

jwillson123

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@OP You should probably ask to have your old thread closed if you're just going to continue on with this one, and request a link to this thread on the closing mod post as well.

I can't since heero200 choose the other thread as main one because it got a lot of posts and more data than this one.

bowgataboppa

Please just give it a rest.

As long as PWI continues to extend the game levels, it becomes harder and harder for new players to ever catch up with established toons.

Since everyone else takes these strawman hyperventilations as an opportunity to prance out their favorite hobby horse, behold:

Sell items in the cash shop that zap any new toon to 100.

For existing players 100 or above, an item that would zap alts to the highest level currently attained by the player.

Bots are fun, I get a great amount of enjoyment out of tuning mine. It is also the least expensive way I know to quickly level up new alts. It's how I play the game sometimes. When I play my miain, I use my F12 key as a sort of hyped up macro mainly to pick up loot fast, really who likes the tedium of all those multiple mouse clicks to pick up loot?

Hats off to PWI for including it.

As long as 99% of the loot is so worthess compared to desirable items, people will find ways to grind it out in mass, be it not having a life to using bots. From my perspective the no lifers who grind 8 to 12 hours a day, are harming the game just as much, which is nada in both cases. As long as PWI is a cash based game, the numbers of coins a gold is worth will always rise, otherwise they go out of business.

jwillson123

bowgataboppa wrote: »

Please just give it a rest.

As long as PWI continues to extend the game levels, it becomes harder and harder for new players to ever catch up with established toons.

Since everyone else takes these strawman hyperventilations as an opportunity to prance out their favorite hobby horse, behold:

Sell items in the cash shop that zap any new toon to 100.

For existing players 100 or above, an item that would zap alts to the highest level currently attained by the player.

Bots are fun, I get a great amount of enjoyment out of tuning mine. It is also the least expensive way I know to quickly level up new alts. It's how I play the game sometimes. When I play my miain, I use my F12 key as a sort of hyped up macro mainly to pick up loot fast, really who likes the tedium of all those multiple mouse clicks to pick up loot?

Hats off to PWI for including it.

As long as 99% of the loot is so worthess compared to desirable items, people will find ways to grind it out in mass, be it not having a life to using bots. From my perspective the no lifers who grind 8 to 12 hours a day, are harming the game just as much, which is nada in both cases. As long as PWI is a cash based game, the numbers of coins a gold is worth will always rise, otherwise they go out of business.

Thanks to auto culti destroying the economy.
It has become impossible for a F2p player to reach end game on PVE servers.
It has destroyed the coin value in the game and also has hurt massively the balance between and contract between F2p players and cashers.

Now EX-cashers bot and they do not need F2p players anymore to get coins not only that now they also are buying coins in the AH and they also stopped cashing zen.

Auto Culti caused:

Ex-Cashers to stop buying zen and less gold been put in the AH.(Why cash when I can bot?)
Now those people buying gold using coins instead and decreasing the gold stock and not adding to gold stock anymore.


too many coins been generated and not destroyed has caused coin currency inflation making it a worthless currency. Farmers and merchants do not generate new coins they deal with current coins that are on the market.



Before if people do not wanted to work for their gear and spend time they would cash instead but now they can make improvement to their gear by been AFK and not buying zen reducing PWI income considerably. Low income = Game server closes down because it becomes a liability.


It has hurt farmer income considerably. TT farmers can not raise their Gold mats prices since there is a npc that sell those mats. So they are stuck with same earning while items have 3x or 4x in value.


Heavy botters do not care for over paying for gold or items which has raised the prices so much that now people that actually play the game and work hard can't afford the items they need anymore.


Items have become so expensive
Love me up and down over 2 billion was 700 million before auto culti
DoD and DoT now they at 160m before they were at 60m-90m
Sky cover ring was at 100m before auto culti now is at over 300m
Gold prices at cap(Ex-Cashers now botting and not cashing and they want gold for free now without doing nothing and paying nothing.


You are so wrong (om my perspective the no lifers who grind 8 to 12 hours a day, are harming the game just as much)

How would you feel if you worked hard in a job 5 days a week over 40 hours and someone that stays home all day and do not work at all earns double of what you earn?

profit

jwillson123 wrote: »

Thanks to auto culti destroying the economy.
It has become impossible for a F2p player to reach end game on PVE servers.
It has destroyed the coin value in the game and also has hurt massively the balance between and contract between F2p players and cashers.

Now EX-cashers bot and they do not need F2p players anymore to get coins not only that now they also are buying coins in the AH and they also stopped cashing zen.

Auto Culti caused:

Ex-Cashers to stop buying zen and less gold been put in the AH.(Why cash when I can bot?)
Now those people buying gold using coins instead and decreasing the gold stock and not adding to gold stock anymore.


too many coins been generated and not destroyed has caused coin currency inflation making it a worthless currency. Farmers and merchants do not generate new coins they deal with current coins that are on the market.



Before if people do not wanted to work for their gear and spend time they would cash instead but now they can make improvement to their gear by been AFK and not buying zen reducing PWI income considerably. Low income = Game server closes down because it becomes a liability.


It has hurt farmer income considerably. TT farmers can not raise their Gold mats prices since there is a npc that sell those mats. So they are stuck with same earning while items have 3x or 4x in value.


Heavy botters do not care for over paying for gold or items which has raised the prices so much that now people that actually play the game and work hard can't afford the items they need anymore.


Items have become so expensive
Love me up and down over 2 billion was 700 million before auto culti
DoD and DoT now they at 160m before they were at 60m-90m
Sky cover ring was at 100m before auto culti now is at over 300m
Gold prices at cap(Ex-Cashers now botting and not cashing and they want gold for free now without doing nothing and paying nothing.


You are so wrong (om my perspective the no lifers who grind 8 to 12 hours a day, are harming the game just as much)

How would you feel if you worked hard in a job 5 days a week over 40 hours and someone that stays home all day and do not work at all earns double of what you earn?[


Ok the lower lvl dq reduced to no value hh gold not worth farming because no one is buying so the f2p neebies really have no way to gain any coin without botting and now every one blames botting for the economy. If i remember correct 6 yrs ago 1 gold cost 1 us dollar that cost is still the same today so why is gold worth 3 m today beacuse the few who control the gold market say so . Supply and demand when we started this game we didnt have so many packs to gain end game gear now thats the only way to gain good gear cs it . Our communtiy has to have a way for the F2P to gain coin to buy the rewards from them how will PW survive if only the credit card junkies play and pay to win .


LOl no 1 will care about what i say here it will all go just like water under the bridge because all any 1 cares about is the damn hypers so they can power lvl .

And to top it all off now we have earning time that does limit our game playing time but as i will hear that question has been answered. Yes sparkie did say on 9/2 that they was working on a ul ( sry have no idea what that means) for this situation well 2 weeks later 2 maintenaces later and still nothing kinda like THE NEW DQ program that you been working on since 10/2013 so good luck with the earing time.

Looking forward to your replies I know they wont be constructive

Seeker_King - Harshlands

Why didnt you put the choice "put bot back like what it was" none of your choices are interesting.

Evryn - Morai

*shrug* Limiting -any- amount of botting to 8 hrs per character seems to have killed most botting. Slashes 24/7 bot income to 1/3rd of what it used to be, and it forced many people who just have a main character to abandon botting alltogether because being redchested tends to get you excluded from certain instances. People still have a whopper of a cash reserve from botting, but that will bleed away over time.

jwillson123

Seeker_King - Harshlands wrote: »

Why didnt you put the choice "put bot back like what it was" none of your choices are interesting.

Because I made this thread before earning time was implemented.
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Evryn - Morai wrote: »

*shrug* Limiting -any- amount of botting to 8 hrs per character seems to have killed most botting. Slashes 24/7 bot income to 1/3rd of what it used to be, and it forced many people who just have a main character to abandon botting alltogether because being redchested tends to get you excluded from certain instances. People still have a whopper of a cash reserve from botting, but that will bleed away over time.

I have noticed also prices going down for some items and some items now are in the same price range instead of growing each week so earning time is working somewhat.
slowly but at least is something.

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Ok the lower lvl dq reduced to no value hh gold not worth farming because no one is buying so the f2p neebies really have no way to gain any coin without botting and now every one blames botting for the economy. If i remember correct 6 yrs ago 1 gold cost 1 us dollar that cost is still the same today so why is gold worth 3 m today beacuse the few who control the gold market say so . Supply and demand when we started this game we didnt have so many packs to gain end game gear now thats the only way to gain good gear cs it . Our communtiy has to have a way for the F2P to gain coin to buy the rewards from them how will PW survive if only the credit card junkies play and pay to win .

LOl no 1 will care about what i say here it will all go just like water under the bridge because all any 1 cares about is the damn hypers so they can power lvl .

And to top it all off now we have earning time that does limit our game playing time but as i will hear that question has been answered. Yes sparkie did say on 9/2 that they was working on a ul ( sry have no idea what that means) for this situation well 2 weeks later 2 maintenaces later and still nothing kinda like THE NEW DQ program that you been working on since 10/2013 so good luck with the earing time.

Looking forward to your replies I know they wont be constructive[/QUOTE]

To Profit::::::::::::


Now is it so easy to level to level to 80 and you get lots of free items too.
It takes what 2 weeks for a new player just doing bh and quests?

New players have Jones quest chain.
I wish I could had made 700k+ a day when I was level 80 when I was broke and could not even afford to pay for my skills costs.
My friend is a new free to play player she has 5 accounts level 71-80 range and makes

Level 71-80 - Reward 158,000 coins and 7 Bounty Order upon taking quest, 88,000 coins each Bounty Order completed
774000 x 5 = 3,870,000
3,870,000 x 28 =108,360,000 montly
In 10 months that is 1 billion yeah right... Newbies can not make money and are poor these days seriously......

::::::::::::::::::::::::Profit:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
why is gold worth 3 m today beacuse the few who control the gold market say so . Supply and demand when we started this game we didnt have so many packs to gain end game gear now thats the only way to gain good gear cs it . Our communtiy has to have a way for the F2P to gain coin to buy the rewards from them how will PW survive if only the credit card junkies play and pay to win .
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Who control the market?
Before there was a type of player who who would buy gold when it was cheap then sale it when there was big sale.
But that type of player can not earn anything now because gold at cap all the time they can not control the market anymore.
There is also merchants merchants do not obey pay for gold because they want to. Merchants need gold to keep up their business or else they can have nothing to sell.
It benefit merchant the most for gold to drop in price from time to time.Because when they convert their coins into gold they can get even more gold than before.

Like I said before gold price went up because of botters.
They do not mind over paying for items and gold because they get 20 million + a day or more.
Also they did not invest any time at all. They earn it while sleeping,working, watching ****? lol

jwillson123

jwillson123 wrote: »

Because I made this thread before earning time was implemented.
Polls can not be edited



I have noticed also prices going down for some items and some items now are in the same price range instead of growing each week so earning time is working somewhat.
slowly but at least is something.

---

Ok the lower lvl dq reduced to no value hh gold not worth farming because no one is buying so the f2p neebies really have no way to gain any coin without botting and now every one blames botting for the economy. If i remember correct 6 yrs ago 1 gold cost 1 us dollar that cost is still the same today so why is gold worth 3 m today beacuse the few who control the gold market say so . Supply and demand when we started this game we didnt have so many packs to gain end game gear now thats the only way to gain good gear cs it . Our communtiy has to have a way for the F2P to gain coin to buy the rewards from them how will PW survive if only the credit card junkies play and pay to win .

LOl no 1 will care about what i say here it will all go just like water under the bridge because all any 1 cares about is the damn hypers so they can power lvl .

And to top it all off now we have earning time that does limit our game playing time but as i will hear that question has been answered. Yes sparkie did say on 9/2 that they was working on a ul ( sry have no idea what that means) for this situation well 2 weeks later 2 maintenaces later and still nothing kinda like THE NEW DQ program that you been working on since 10/2013 so good luck with the earing time.

Looking forward to your replies I know they wont be constructive

To Profit::::::::::::


Now is it so easy to level to level to 80 and you get lots of free items too.
It takes what 2 weeks for a new player just doing bh and quests?

New players have Jones quest chain.
I wish I could had made 700k+ a day when I was level 80 when I was broke and could not even afford to pay for my skills costs.
My friend is a new free to play player she has 5 accounts level 71-80 range and makes

Level 71-80 - Reward 158,000 coins and 7 Bounty Order upon taking quest, 88,000 coins each Bounty Order completed
774000 x 5 = 3,870,000
3,870,000 x 28 =108,360,000 montly
In 10 months that is 1 billion yeah right... Newbies can not make money and are poor these days seriously......

::::::::::::::::::::::::Profit:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
why is gold worth 3 m today beacuse the few who control the gold market say so . Supply and demand when we started this game we didnt have so many packs to gain end game gear now thats the only way to gain good gear cs it . Our communtiy has to have a way for the F2P to gain coin to buy the rewards from them how will PW survive if only the credit card junkies play and pay to win .
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Who control the market?
Before there was a type of player who who would buy gold when it was cheap then sale it when there was big sale.
But that type of player can not earn anything now because gold at cap all the time they can not control the market anymore.
There is also merchants.
Merchants do not over pay for gold because they want to. Merchants need gold to keep up their business or else they can have nothing to sell.
It benefit merchant the most for gold to drop in price from time to time.Because when they convert their coins into gold they can get even more gold than before.

Like I said before gold price went up because of botters.
They do not mind over paying for items and gold because they get 20 million + a day or more.
Also they did not invest any time at all. They earn it while sleeping,working, or doing other stuff and not investing and earning by putting effort into the game.