godmode play style

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

petrave wrote: »

i wil have fun its not the point of players having op gear its the point of pwi beeing greedy powercreep destroyed so manny good game,s and i hope pwi doesnt become one one the list compared to lets say 3 years ago pwi already changed al lot for the worse i wil form squads and hvae fun but it pains me to see how pwi is today b:cry

Everything in life is but a temporary existence, what would be the meaning of life if death did not exist. This is especially true of MMOs. Enjoy while it lasts.

mrcharlytoo

I don't understand the OP. They are being ridiculous - of course a fully geared up high level toon can pwn in lower level dungeons. Blimey, if I'd invested serious time (and possibly money) into levelling and equiping I would be very annoyed if I couldn't do that.

My non-awakened, not top-geared lvl8x toons can easily solo 29/39/51/59 and I do so to help people. Is he wanting that banned?

I guess they have no idea about higher-level dungeons - the ordinary mobs in SoT for example have 700k upwards hp. Can't triple spark and kill all of them because the spark doesn't instantly regenerate.

Devilskarma - Raging Tide

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

... with endgame gear you can one shot a boss in BH69, but other than whilst reawakening/helping someone, you have no reason to go in there ...

Um, well... actually... b:sweat some people still do have a reason to go in there b:embarrass

they really do suck that bad b:avoid

b:chuckle

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

petrave wrote: »

hi all i just did see today r9s3 sin lvl 101 2 reawaken 1 hit bosses in bh 69 seems to me that pve wise pwi need to balance the bosses to r9s3 its like playing in godmode that way al bosses wil be to easy and pwi gets to boring for them i talk to that sin and he was like yeah no challenge pve wise annymore
it is a shame that pwi give players the option to run in godmode
really a shame

if pple were more versatile with their gears it would give them more challenge :S

Miugre - Heavens Tear

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

PvE can still be challenging at endgame gear. If you challenge yourself. For example

-solo'ing SoT/Abaddon for the buff pots/skill books
-6+ solo runs on one PV token
-solo'ing WBs
-solo'ing Lunar

I'm sure there are more.

Now try giving us an example that doesn't include any variation on the word "solo."

Protip: Soloing endgame MMO instances is like setting up your house for a party and then inviting no one but yourself. The entire purpose is defeated.

Take off what you call endgame gear and put on what was considered endgame gear at the time Nirv, WS, Lunar, Rebirth etc were designed. Run it with five other people in similar gear. Then you will have a proper challenge.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Now try giving us an example that doesn't include any variation on the word "solo."

Protip: Soloing endgame MMO instances is like setting up your house for a party and then inviting no one but yourself. The entire purpose is defeated.

Take off what you call endgame gear and put on what was considered endgame gear at the time Nirv, WS, Lunar, Rebirth etc were designed. Run it with five other people in similar gear. Then you will have a proper challenge.

This guy again.

Been there done that moved on, it's not 2009, dwell in the past all you want, don't for a second expect others to do the same.

Protip: take your protips and shove it.

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This guy again.

Been there done that moved on, it's not 2009, dwell in the past all you want, don't for a second expect others to do the same.

Protip: take your protips and shove it.

Its not bout expecting others to dwell in 2009, its bout making the game challenging again without the use of OP gear (such as r9-r9s3). Plus we dont expect others to do the same, we expect ppl to get the hint on why pw has been on a downward spiral since the tideborn expansion. Sounds like you havent moved on at all, seems like all ya did is leave it behind for something better such as the term "powercreep."

Protip: Dont knock it till you tried it

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Its not bout expecting others to dwell in 2009, its bout making the game challenging again without the use of OP gear (such as r9-r9s3). Plus we dont expect others to do the same, we expect ppl to get the hint on why pw has been on a downward spiral since the tideborn expansion. Sounds like you havent moved on at all, seems like all ya did is leave it behind for something better such as the term "powercreep."

Protip: Dont knock it till you tried it

What are you his trusty lil sidekick. You guys have been banging on enough about the same ol story beating the same dead horse for god knows how long leaving a trail of morally self righteous litter all across the forums.

Wake up. The game has changed. Embrace it or quit. Don't sit there an whine, and if you must dont drag me into it, I have no, let me repeat that, zero, interest in being drawn into a long winded pointless debate with you or your lil friend over there. Dropping hints is one thing, pouncing on any post/thread and hijacking it with the same old spiel is another.

So let that be a message to both of you. Don't make this personal.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This guy again.

Been there done that moved on, it's not 2009, dwell in the past all you want, don't for a second expect others to do the same.

Protip: take your protips and shove it.

I'm sorry, did the definition of "multiplayer" change since 2009? Because that would be pretty amazing. o.o

EDIT:

Wake up. The game has changed. Embrace it or quit. Don't sit there an whine, and if you must dont drag me into it, I have no, let me repeat that, zero, interest in being drawn into a long winded pointless debate with you or your lil friend over there. Dropping hints is one thing, pouncing on any post/thread and hijacking it with the same old spiel is another.

...did you seriously just accuse me and somebody else of being out to get you, personally? Because I really don't know what to say to that, except stop looking for patterns that aren't there.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Hmm in my case I work on getting better gear partially because I like doing PvP but also because improving gear is one of the things I like doing in games.
When I can't improve my gear (lack of money or lack of possible improvements) I feel like something is missing or there's no change because I keep the same things. I like changes.

As far as challenges are concerned, people that keep improving their gear can either look for new challenges or sit there and be bored.
I like finding challenges that, yes, some of them include soloing things but I also like challenging myself with things such as pulling and tanking full Warsong. After I was able to do that, my friends could rely on me whenever they didn't have a proper tank and that made me happy. I had my fun and I helped people. I know in some cases people rather stick to the "real tank" but I find it fun having unusual tanks or squad set ups.

I know Miugre and I have disagreed on that matter in an old thread, but I don't like sticking to the same challenges and same gear. I just like improving even if that makes some content too easy heh~

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hmm in my case I work on getting better gear partially because I like doing PvP but also because improving gear is one of the things I like doing in games.
When I can't improve my gear (lack of money or lack of possible improvements) I feel like something is missing or there's no change because I keep the same things. I like changes.

As far as challenges are concerned, people that keep improving their gear can either look for new challenges or sit there and be bored.
I like finding challenges that, yes, some of them include soloing things but I also like challenging myself with things such as pulling and tanking full Warsong. After I was able to do that, my friends could rely on me whenever they didn't have a proper tank and that made me happy. I had my fun and I helped people. I know in some cases people rather stick to the "real tank" but I find it fun having unusual tanks or squad set ups.

I know Miugre and I have disagreed on that matter in an old thread, but I don't like sticking to the same challenges and same gear. I just like improving even if that makes some content too easy heh~

Since you bring up tanks... let it never be said that I think a barb is necessary in every situation. Hell, BH59 is one of my favorite examples of an instance that any caster can tank perfectly well. I just believe in following basic RPG design. Barb, BM, Seeker... even archer or caster in cases where the boss will fight purely ranged (e.g. Metal boss). I just think it's lame when you see an at-level melee boss get solo'd by a class that was designed for things other than tanking. Poorly designed, mind you, but still designed.

I've always been an altoholic, I'll admit. I'd rather make three or four unique gear sets for three or four alts then have one mega-set that I stash around between them. That would bore the hell out of me. :P

And hey, it's always a pleasure to discuss things with someone who can hold a differing opinion without being condescending about it. Or become immediately paranoid like our other friend here.

And on that note... *jumps on DW character to stalk DarkSkies* ;]

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And hey, it's always a pleasure to discuss things with someone who can hold a differing opinion without being condescending about it. Or become immediately paranoid like our other friend here.

And on that note... *jumps on DW character to stalk DarkSkies* ;]

Did you not read my post?

I have had the unfortunate experience of 'debates' with you before, as I'm sure many have, don't attempt to cooly brush it off like you are capable of holding anything resembling a debate. You are oblivious to anything that sits outside your comfort zone in feeling that you already have the answer and its a matter of simply persuasion. This may seem like confidence to you, but it's blind arrogance and I'll stop short of saying sheer stupidity, and either or is not something I have a shred of respect nor care for.

There is opinion and there is fact. You fail to recognise the difference nor respect others opinion. The loudest person in the room is the weakest person in the room.

Keep the taunts to yourself mate. Have a nice day.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Did you not read my post?

I have had the unfortunate experience of 'debates' with you before, as I'm sure many have, don't attempt to cooly brush it off like you are capable of holding anything resembling a debate. You are oblivious to anything that sits outside your comfort zone in feeling that you already have the answer and its a matter of simply persuasion. This may seem like confidence to you, but it's blind arrogance and I'll stop short of saying sheer stupidity, and either or is not something I have a shred of respect nor care for.

There is opinion and there is fact. You fail to recognise the difference nor respect others opinion. The loudest person in the room is the weakest person in the room.

Keep the taunts to yourself mate. Have a nice day.

.........okay, wow.

Listen, I have no problem responding to personal criticisms, but don't derail someone else's thread for it. If this is a serious problem for you, send me a PM so we can discuss it. Otherwise, no one's demanding that you respond to my posts. o.O

I actually did a quick search of every thread that you and I discussed anything in recently, and I only came up with two occasions... and how either of those could've inspired this level of spontaneous vitriol is beyond me.

All I implied... albeit jokingly... was that "solo challenges" are not a substitute for the balanced multiplayer gameplay that's characteristic of an MMORPG. And they aren't. None of that has anything to do with 2009, nor anyone's personal debate style. So I'll thank you to keep the ad hominem attacks in PM form, going forward.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

All I implied... albeit jokingly... was that "solo challenges" are not a substitute for the balanced multiplayer gameplay that's characteristic of an MMORPG.

Let's give you the benefit of the doubt this last time then, however you may want to check the condescending tone for future reference. It doesnt bring anything to the debate, rather stifles it.

Everyone plays games for different reasons. This is a MMORPG, where there is no set storyline. Therefore it up to the player the pace and the setting of how they progress through the game.

PvE is one aspect of the game, and PvP being entirely another (these are being merging slightly with pvp farming i.e. nation wars).

There are very good reasons to acquire current endgame gear, most of them are for PvP (don't reply to this saying PWI isnt the best PvP and I should play another, I play what I damnwell please '

Now can one sacrifice the PvP aspect of the game in order to seek challenges in the PvE aspect. Which was your original proposotion, which you've mentioned was a joke. The answer is no for me personally, and the best reason is why should I? Gear progression is an aspect of every MMORPG if I have acquired the best gear in the game why should I feel guilty that others havent and can't do the things in PvE that I can. Seeking challenges is based on personal goals, for me I have already reached the heights of PvE and for me this isn't what keeps me interested in this game.

The PvP aspect is what I enjoy most, the competition the rivalries the TWs the group PK the squad vs squad NW. Unless you have similar gears these arent even competitive or fun. Luckily most of the people I do the above with have similar/slightly lesser/better gears. This may seem like an elite social club to you, and it probably is, but its how we play this game and what we take it from it, being a game, and not a social service.

So in terms of godmode, for someone in TT80 looking at a character in r9rr sure feels like that. However step into the current top tier TWs and you will feel anything but godlike I assure you. The unfortunate consequence of this is gear treadmill reaching such heights is that PvE is very easy. Is this a reason to rouse an angry mob and demand that the gears that people have worked hard to acquire are taken off them because not everyone else has them? So the game is unbalanced? Sounds like communism to me!

The powercreep is the excuse for those who havent kept up with gear progressions, for various reasons, unfortunately which is a vital part of any MMORPG. If someone doesnt have the best gear, don't knock the ones that have.

Brillance - Raging Tide

petrave wrote: »

hi all i just did see today r9s3 sin lvl 101 2 reawaken 1 hit bosses in bh 69 seems to me that pve wise pwi need to balance the bosses to r9s3 its like playing in godmode that way al bosses wil be to easy and pwi gets to boring for them i talk to that sin and he was like yeah no challenge pve wise annymore
it is a shame that pwi give players the option to run in godmode
really a shame

If he's so darn bored, he can pick up a set of lesser gears and have a fun time. Nothing says his r9rr cant come off, does it? Maybe he just enjoys noobs thinking hes 'godlike', afterall, he didnt purchase those gears cause he was having trouble completeing bh69, did he? b:chuckle

Nice troll thread, lol.

Toliman - Raging Tide

petrave wrote: »

hi all i just did see today r9s3 sin lvl 101 2 reawaken 1 hit bosses in bh 69 seems to me that pve wise pwi need to balance the bosses to r9s3 its like playing in godmode that way al bosses wil be to easy and pwi gets to boring for them i talk to that sin and he was like yeah no challenge pve wise annymore
it is a shame that pwi give players the option to run in godmode
really a shame

It is game for rich folks and their servants.

Other people just watch, what these players do.

Edit:
Servant is a person employed to work for another.
Reward can be different, including R9S3 after very long period of work.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Everyone plays games for different reasons. This is a MMORPG, where there is no set storyline. Therefore it up to the player the pace and the setting of how they progress through the game.

PvE is one aspect of the game, and PvP being entirely another (these are being merging slightly with pvp farming i.e. nation wars).

There are very good reasons to acquire current endgame gear, most of them are for PvP (don't reply to this saying PWI isnt the best PvP and I should play another, I play what I damnwell please '

Now can one sacrifice the PvP aspect of the game in order to seek challenges in the PvE aspect. Which was your original proposotion, which you've mentioned was a joke. The answer is no for me personally, and the best reason is why should I? Gear progression is an aspect of every MMORPG if I have acquired the best gear in the game why should I feel guilty that others havent and can't do the things in PvE that I can. Seeking challenges is based on personal goals, for me I have already reached the heights of PvE and for me this isn't what keeps me interested in this game.

The PvP aspect is what I enjoy most, the competition the rivalries the TWs the group PK the squad vs squad NW. Unless you have similar gears these arent even competitive or fun. Luckily most of the people I do the above with have similar/slightly lesser/better gears. This may seem like an elite social club to you, and it probably is, but its how we play this game and what we take it from it, being a game, and not a social service.

So in terms of godmode, for someone in TT80 looking at a character in r9rr sure feels like that. However step into the current top tier TWs and you will feel anything but godlike I assure you. The unfortunate consequence of this is gear treadmill reaching such heights is that PvE is very easy. Is this a reason to rouse an angry mob and demand that the gears that people have worked hard to acquire are taken off them because not everyone else has them? So the game is unbalanced? Sounds like communism to me!

The powercreep is the excuse for those who havent kept up with gear progressions, for various reasons, unfortunately which is a vital part of any MMORPG. If someone doesnt have the best gear, don't knock the ones that have.

Just to confirm here, are you saying that power creep doesn't exist, or that it's just overstated? Either way, don't assume that anyone who has a complaint against godmoding is just jealous. There certainly are those who are jealous, but you have no way to prove that for any given individual. I've played PWI for five years. If I wanted R9 in any form, I've had more than enough time and energy to achieve that goal. Jealousy is just wanting something that you cannot have. So I have trouble believing that you're really giving anyone the benefit of the doubt on that one.

Why should you sacrifice PVP for PVE? No one's saying you shoud, per se. But why is that even the question on the table? A better question would be, "why should we have to choose?" The MMORPG framework doesn't require a game to focus exclusively on one to the detriment of the other. Ours has gained such a rift through power creep, and the community has split with it. Those who focus on PVE lament the PVP gear's tendency to cheapen the PVE content. Those who focus on PVP just don't want to see the value of their purchases (be they real or virtual) cheapened. Neither viewpoint is wrong, but you have to ask yourself which circumstances provide for balance in both camps. And ultimately, PVP can be competitive with or without R9 (though I would argue more competitive without)... whereas PVE balance depends entirely on a lack of power creep.

I'm sure you would agree that this is not ideal. Am I calling for a wholesale dismantling of every update we've had since 2009? No, and I really wish people wouldn't assume that. What I'm asking is for the PVP crowd to contribute a solution that doesn't basically boil down to "deal with it" or "break everything else to match us." PVE's been broken to hell and back for years, but god forbid we take a single attack level off of R9S3's set bonus. All I'm saying is there needs to be some give and take.

nanbo554

petrave wrote: »

hi all i just did see today r9s3 sin lvl 101 2 reawaken 1 hit bosses in bh 69 seems to me that pve wise pwi need to balance the bosses to r9s3 its like playing in godmode that way al bosses wil be to easy and pwi gets to boring for them i talk to that sin and he was like yeah no challenge pve wise annymore
it is a shame that pwi give players the option to run in godmode
really a shame

Meanwhile in Secret Passage, there is a level 29 boss that takes a level 50 and 80 to take down. This game needs more easier PvE boss content that scales to level proportion: I.E. bosses that cna be downed by players 5 or more levels higher than it. World bosses and other dungeon boses that take at least 5 men, or 2 good equiped ones. etc..

Boss to player scaling is the easiest thing to get right in an mmorpg. PWI si trying to adapt, they went from "small content = make last little bits torturous" to "WOO expansion explosion! let's try and balance the damage out"...
The to easy = every one gets sucked to a speciic rewarding end game area.
To hard, no one wants to do the run.
Just right = scalability, enough solo pleasure miwed with group and REPLAYABILITY in older territories.

Go play EQ if you want every step to be a die or live one. b:bye

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Um, what? Qingzi (who is actually level 35 and isn't technically in Secret Passage, but I can't think of any other bosses you could be talking about...) certainly does not need a "level 50 and a level 80" to take down. I duoed it the other day with a pair of 3x characters (mystic and veno.) Any random 8x should be able to solo Qingzi. 4x clerics can solo.

mrcharlytoo

nanbo554 wrote: »

Meanwhile in Secret Passage, there is a level 29 boss that takes a level 50 and 80 to take down. This game needs more easier PvE boss content that scales to level proportion: I.E. bosses that cna be downed by players 5 or more levels higher than it. World bosses and other dungeon boses that take at least 5 men, or 2 good equiped ones. etc..

The BH bosses are built to need a full squad of players of the appropriate BH level to take down (well, apart from eden and brim).

So bh29 should need 6 lvl 3x players. Actually it is far too easy. It's only bh51 and up where squads have to work and only then if they don't use wine.

Desdi - Sanctuary

BH bosses are just FB bosses, not sure if FB bosses were really meant to require 6 players at all costs to complete.

Colum - Raging Tide

There are these threads and then there are the threads that claim bosses in PWI are too hard...

b:surrender try to decide

Brillance - Raging Tide

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Um, what? Qingzi (who is actually level 35 and isn't technically in Secret Passage, but I can't think of any other bosses you could be talking about...) certainly does not need a "level 50 and a level 80" to take down. I duoed it the other day with a pair of 3x characters (mystic and veno.) Any random 8x should be able to solo Qingzi. 4x clerics can solo.

There's that dog (very tough, or at least used to be) Silver-somethingorother, and another guy like Qingzi, but his name totally escapes me right now. b:surrender

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Puppy's hardly a level 29 boss (I believe he's 85), and both Shade Eido and Dismal Shade are higher level than Qingzi.

Liveena - Heavens Tear

Simple thing to do is, don't invite OP people if you want to challenge an instance, but if u want to rush an instance, then by all mean, make a full r9s3 squad, just make sure you can keep up with them b:bye

Brillance - Raging Tide

Ya know...the main thing I miss is running in squads of people on my level - gear and CB stat-wise. I remember one of the best squads I ever ran with was just 2 other guys and they were dropping like flies death-wise.

Of course, that would mean it wasn't technically the best squad. It was however one of the most fun times Ive had in an instance. They were melee noobs, didnt know all that much about their classes yet (me either for that matter, but being a mystic with range DD, I wasnt having quite as rough of a time as they were), but their comments and antics made a squad I would under normal circumstances run screaming away from - the BEST ever. b:laugh

Facing death is what makes the game interesting and fun. A challenge makes PvE interesting. That said, if you buy game-breaking items so you can try to rule in PvP, you cant expect to have an equally satisfying experience in PvE. From the videos I have seen, even Silverflow Palace doesnt seem to present much of challenge to leet-geared end game players.

I dont think running with rebirthed people will ever recreate that experience for anyone. I also cant wait to see what the next expansion will bring. Power-creep may have killed the game for many, but watching what crazy stuff the expansions bring lately is interesting. Erasing the low level game in an effort to revitalise it, as an example, are things you just dont normally look to see happen, lol.

I dont believe there is anyone in the game that has played for any length of time, that doesnt miss new players - whether they would be willing to admit that fact or not. b:surrender

Marengo - Lost City

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

BH bosses are just FB bosses, not sure if FB bosses were really meant to require 6 players at all costs to complete.

They weren't since ppl who helped lowbies with FBs always existed. Some of FBs are soloable for certain classes. Veno can solo FB19 on 23. I soloed BH39 on 53 with magmite and BH59 on 70+. With cleric only any class can tank there. FB89 isn't hard too.

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Facing death is what makes the game interesting and fun. A challenge makes PvE interesting. That said, if you buy game-breaking items so you can try to rule in PvP, you cant expect to have an equally satisfying experience in PvE. From the videos I have seen, even Silverflow Palace doesnt seem to present much of challenge to leet-geared end game players.

Speak for yourself. Honestly, I'm not ready to challenge 3-5 dungeons daily facing deaths and "fun". At first ppl QQ csers rule the world but at the same time they complain instances are not "challenging enough" for them to spend 24 hours per day there. When are you plan to farm if you need just pve challenge everywhere? Go challenge HH3-3 million times per day, I'm pretty sure it's quite challenging and satisfying pve experience for you b:chuckle

Ironically, I don't see many pvp intersted ppl with really good gear who complain that pve is too easy, but I see more of lower equipped who do b:chuckle

Brillance - Raging Tide

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

They weren't since ppl who helped lowbies with FBs always existed. Some of FBs are soloable for certain classes. Veno can solo FB19 on 23. I soloed BH39 on 53 with magmite and BH59 on 70+. With cleric only any class can tank there. FB89 isn't hard too.

Speak for yourself. Honestly, I'm not ready to challenge 3-5 dungeons daily facing deaths and "fun". At first ppl QQ csers rule the world but at the same time they complain instances are not "challenging enough" for them to spend 24 hours per day there. When are you plan to farm if you need just pve challenge everywhere? Go challenge HH3-3 million times per day, I'm pretty sure it's quite challenging and satisfying pve experience for you b:chuckle

Ironically, I don't see many pvp intersted ppl with really good gear who complain that pve is too easy, but I see more of lower equipped who do b:chuckle

Who says you have to challenge 3 - 5 dungeons daily? I dont see where anything is forcing anyone to do even 1, lol.

Just like nothing says I plan to farm. Farming is not a great joy for everyone. If you enjoy farming - excellent! Have fun! Obviously there is nothing about farming that attracts new players, or the game would still have a bunch of them.

Im not complaining that instances are not challenging enough (most non-leet geared players wouldnt. Im the type that complains if a 99 Culti is reconfigured to allegedly give CSers a challenge. One of many fun new changes that seem to be anti-new player, lol.

There is no rule that says everything has to be set up to fit any one player perfectly, or no one should be able to do it. What do I care if you spend all day in HH3-3?

One of the major problems this game faces is limiting the most people, while benefiting less and less. Since, in fashion design it is said that less is more, I guess thats why the game shoots for less and less. *shrugs*

Do you miss new players - do you like a challenge? Seems to me you dont, and want everything swift, easy, and severely limited - but I might not be following what you are saying. In any case, whats wrong with doing what keeps you playing - even if its spending all day in HH3-3? Idk, seems like too many control freaks have their fingers in the pie, and now not many at all want to eat it, lol.

Lets say everyone in the game suddenly quits, as happens everytime another game releases something new. Even if you totally hate new players, who will replace those that quit?

Or, would your answer be that since you followed the herd and quit too - it doesnt matter. f:stare

Marengo - Lost City

Who says you have to challenge 3 - 5 dungeons daily? I dont see where anything is forcing anyone to do even 1, lol.

I can say the same, nobody is forcing you to do what is too easy for you. There are places where you can find enough challenge to your liking.

And yet you have to do several dailies, including BHs, FS, PV (cube and AEU optionally) to be competitive and enjoy the game and not to be left behind. We already have a lot of daily stuff. If you need to recast nv/r9, WS is in the list too.

I like pvp more, I've been playing this game for 5 years and know how to pve. But thing is for effective pvp you should pve a lot too. And now game is filled with instances which gives you not money but items mostly. While money you need more. Game extends, but it's still 24 hours in day. Even supplies cost way more than few years ago. Not talking about latest endgame gear.

Yes, I want pve to be easy to finish it swiftly. Anything wrong with it?

Do you miss new players - do you like a challenge?

I don't see a connection. I enjoyed game before big updades too. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

What do I care if you spend all day in HH3-3?

I forgot where I said I spend 24/7 in hh3-3, remind me pls with quotes or stop twisting my words into your favor b:chuckle

Brillance - Raging Tide

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

I can say the same, nobody is forcing you to do what is too easy for you. There are places where you can find enough challenge to your liking.

And yet you have to do several dailies, including BHs, FS, PV (cube and AEU optionally) to be competitive and enjoy the game and not to be left behind. We already have a lot of daily stuff. If you need to recast nv/r9, WS is in the list too.

I like pvp more, I've been playing this game for 5 years and know how to pve. But thing is for effective pvp you should pve a lot too. And now game is filled with instances which gives you not money but items mostly. While money you need more. Game extends, but it's still 24 hours in day. Even supplies cost way more than few years ago. Not talking about latest endgame gear.

Yes, I want pve to be easy to finish it swiftly. Anything wrong with it?

I don't see a connection. I enjoyed game before big updades too. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I forgot where I said I spend 24/7 in hh3-3, remind me pls with quotes or stop twisting my words into your favor b:chuckle

You are/were twisting my words in your favor first. What's the matter? Can dish it out but cant take it? b:chuckle

No, you arent the only one. You are making me your adversary, when we seem to be saying the same, or simular, things - but from different perspectives. Okies. The big difference seems to be that you want everyone's gameplay to revolve around yours; or, you are not happy that you dont have the free time to do every little thing, so nobody else should do it either. I dont feel the game revolves around me at all. That is not because I do not possess the normal emotions of greed and selfishness that every human possesses. It is because I understand the game is not about new players at all. b:pleased