Needing advice REALLY BAD..Please, Please! :(

LunaQueen - Heavens Tear

It's been a while since I started back up playing on here, missed my PWI lol. (I always come back b:pleased lol) Things have so changed over the past 2-3 yrs on here. I don't know the first thing about all the new ways/requirements and levels on armor, I'm so lost! I was wondering if anyone could help me out a little, lead me in the right direction. Maybe some links to certain areas to read up on or just explain a little, I'm very lost and I've tried to do google searches and search forums but nothing really gets to the point on what is the best armor and weapons to have. I want to level my cleric, but I'm currently playing a mystic to see if I can have some fun doing DD and healing. I'm so sorry if I necro this topic, b:surrender I just feel lost and alone on here. lol Any advice would be appreciated! Thank you SOOOO much in advance!!. b:thanks

opkossy

This is probably a better spot for this.

If I weren't in a rush, I'd give you plenty of detailed advice, but as is I'll have to leave that to the rest of the forum for now.

MissCherie - Harshlands

I'll try to make it simple, there's 2 options for gears/weap:

#1: G16 Nirvana

TT60->TT70->TT80->TT90->TT99->Nirvana->Nirvana recast->G16

G16 is really decent and give nice set bonus and is really easy to farm. (you can get it in a few weeks)

#2: R9rr

Rank 1->R2->R3->R4->R5->R7->R8/R8r (but R8r is not needed to get R9)->R9->R9r->R9rr

R9rr is the best, but also the most expensive gears/weap in the game. It takes months to farm it or even more than a year for some people.

You need to first decide what you gonna do in game, PVE only or you gonna PVP/TW too?

If you plan to only PVE than go for G16 it's more than enough for any PVE in game for all class.

If you plan to PVP/TW than of course R9rr is the best, but not everyone can afford it.

If you plan to play cleric and PVP/TW than you can get G16 gears and a R8r weapon with defense lvl. If you decide to play mystic and play support in PVP/TW (mainly healing) than you can also get a R8r weap for defense lvl and a G16 one for PVE/DDing.

To make the Nirvana gears/weap you need cannies/raptures, before people was farming that by doing the instance call Nirvana if you remember, now there's a ''event'' call Nation war (Friday and Sunday night from 8:20 pm to 10:20pm) which pretty much make it easy to get a lot of cannies/raptures really fast. (before NW cannies was around 300k now they are 25k, rapture was 1.4m and now they are 85k)

Once you have the second recast Nirvana, you need to run full Warsong to get molds and badges, usually it's easier to do with your faction, but not impossible to do with random world chat squad.

So yea it's pretty much that about gears/weap these days.

WannaBM - Archosaur

MissCherie - Harshlands wrote: »

R9rr is the best, but also the most expensive gears/weap in the game. It takes months to farm it or even more than a year for some people.

LOL what are you trying to imply ? Lets ignore whatever you are trying to imply.....

R9rr takes years for some to farm. Others will never get there. At least not refined and sharded to a level that the investment was not better invested in G16.
very rough numbers:

Full G16 with fitting rings etc... 500m
Full R9.3 with fitting rings etc.... 3b (using sales)
full +10: 2b
fully sharded: 2 - 4b

Only if you plan to spend 5b+ is it worthy going r9rr. Clearly +10 G16 is much better than barely refined R9.
Of course, on the other hand, you may want to lean to the r9.3 to prevent yourself ending up with well refined and sharded G16 and having to part with it if you later want to improve to R9.

MissCherie - Harshlands

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

LOL what are you trying to imply ? Lets ignore whatever you are trying to imply.....

R9rr takes years for some to farm.

I got mine in less than a year and I didn't c$ for it.

I worked for it, beside sitting at south complaining all day about the price of everything.

Not all R9rr players are rich a lot did farm it (and merch).

I got some luck that's true, before NW got release I was already full G16 (then again not cause I'm rich, but cause I did farm for it) so at the start when it was possible to do 50-75m every NW I was using that money toward my R9, but I made sacrifices, I was walking in +5 G16 til I get my R9 beside wasting money to refine my G16 +7/10 like others did.

Full R9 cost ~150m more than a +10 full set of G16 (including +10 neck/belt/weap) or ~450m more if you don't include +10 neck/belt.

3b for R9 in sales? What are you smoking??

WannaBM - Archosaur

MissCherie - Harshlands wrote: »

I got mine in less than a year and I didn't c$ for it.

I worked for it, beside sitting at south complaining all day about the price of everything.

Not all R9rr players are rich a lot did farm it (and merch).

I got some luck that's true, before NW got release I was already full G16 (then again not cause I'm rich, but cause I did farm for it) so at the start when it was possible to do 50-75m every NW I was using that money toward my R9, but I made sacrifices, I was walking in +5 G16 til I get my R9 beside wasting money to refine my G16 +7/10 like others did.

Full R9 cost ~150m more than a +10 full set of G16 (including +10 neck/belt/weap) or ~450m more if you don't include +10 neck/belt.

3b for R9 in sales? What are you smoking??

Dont worry, i aint a QQer or CSer either. I am an very active merchant and moderate farmer and i will have my R9 in about half a year more. Lets leave aside your situation and claims. Reality is roughly this:
you need 5b for acceptably refined and sharded R9.

Top notch APS farmers can make something like 10m per hour during 2x or 5m off 2x. These farmers however cost about 1,5 billion themselves. And since you need those to build this farmer in the first place, those have to be farmed at a less effective rate.
Moderate APS farmers will make about half that money.
Non-APS farmers make even less.
now count your hours needed.

I also quit smoking a while ago. As you could read, i wrote R9 with some matching rings etc. about 1000gold for the R9 = somewhere between 2 and 2.5 b on your server i suppose. The remainder is for those "rings etc".

You come with very precise numbers in your comparison of r9 with Full G16. Strange such precise numbers while there are countless variables. Fluctuating prices etc.... Good thing however that even though you ask what im smoking, your precise numbers seem to corrospend rather well with the rough numbers that i provided.

Jarkhen - Archosaur

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Full R9.3 with fitting rings etc.... 3b (using sales)

... what?

Full r9 during sale from 0 rep = 711.7g.

At current Archo prices, that's ~1.35b.

Add in 9 summerwinds at 27m ea = 243m and we're up to 1.59b.

Badges must obviously be farmed, but opportunity cost at ~200k per badge is 42m (though you'd have to pay this for g16 too); we're up to 1.63b.

20 EoDs and 4 EoOs adds another 66m: 1.70b total.

Manufacturing fees adds another 23m: 1.72b total.

So we're at 1.72b total for full r9r3... what the hell kind of rings are you buying that's costing you that other 1.3b?

In any case, those rings (+ "etc") are separate from the r9r3 and cannot be included when comparing r9r3 vs. g16.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

... what?

Full r9 during sale from 0 rep = 711.7g.

At current Archo prices, that's ~1.35b.

Add in 9 summerwinds at 27m ea = 243m and we're up to 1.59b.

Badges must obviously be farmed, but opportunity cost at ~200k per badge is 42m (though you'd have to pay this for g16 too); we're up to 1.63b.

20 EoDs and 4 EoOs adds another 66m: 1.70b total.

Manufacturing fees adds another 23m: 1.72b total.

So we're at 1.72b total for full r9r3... what the hell kind of rings are you buying that's costing you that other 1.3b?

In any case, those rings (+ "etc") are separate from the r9r3 and cannot be included when comparing r9r3 vs. g16.

1: Were talking HT gold

2: I think it is very rare that you buy everything at best sale prices. Most likely you buy the majority during sale and then finish up with some non-sale stuff rather than wait for an unknown time until everything you need has been on sale.

3: I do think that you should take into consideration the other equipment as well when comparing. It is normal to have equipment that kind of matches in value/power.

4: I said they are rough numbers. Im just trying to make a point and give a very rough picture to OP what shes up to if thinking to farm R9. showing that not only does it take 1000s of farming hours, but also that it is only really worth it if you go all the way and develop your r9 properly and that you should not think this will take "months'. I was not trying to make a thread about petty details and pennies.

bangis2010

R9RR maxed refine and shards is either you CS or you farm like they said (which is lies) because they have no life.b:laugh

Jarkhen - Archosaur

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

3: I do think that you should take into consideration the other equipment as well when comparing. It is normal to have equipment that kind of matches in value/power.

That's like saying when considering the cost of a mansion vs. some other house, you have to add in the cost of a Ferrari because hell, if you're buying a mansion you should get a ferrari too.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

That's like saying when considering the cost of a mansion vs. some other house, you have to add in the cost of a Ferrari because hell, if you're buying a mansion you should get a ferrari too.

Well no, not the ferarri maybe, but an acre of nicely located land ? yes. You arent gonna build a mansion on a small plot in a ghetto just like you arent gonna build a shack on an acre of prime location. Same way with gear

Desdi - Sanctuary

Ugh it's true for some it takes months and years to get it but..what kind of refines and shards are we even talking about?

You can +7 pretty easily with some event gold using refine aids. In fact you can go as far as +9 but that would require a lot more event gold & mirages (and you to be daring enough) but let's just stick to the regular +7 which is not really that bad.

Shards come from either Morai or the Weeklies. If you do them weekly, by the time you get R9 you should have a considerable stash of emblems to manufacture a lot of shards.

Assuming an average of 22 sockets (R9 4 socket, Cape/Hat 3 socket). Morai shards would be 79.2mil (yeah that's ouchy a bit). Weekly ones would be 33mil (and more HP too) or you can just go with the good ol' flawless. (Morai would 33mil-ish too if we consider Garnets instead of Citrines).

Nirvana cape/hat which is fairly easy to farm. Grab a lunar ring for the physical defence (using the R9 too). You can farm a G14 Cube Necklace in 15 days and +7 it.
Adventure and Mishaps tome (what I'm using >.>;) and there you have a basic R9r3 set.

That's actually what I had by the time I had my full R9r3 set (except that I also had a WOCC from ages ago). It wasn't anything that fancy but it did it's job and I wasn't 1shot to everything in PvP.

On the other hand hand, you can use R9r3 armor and get a R8r weapon with defence levels and ignore the R9 weapon all together. The weapon costs as much as the armor itself (minus the belt I think?) so if you don't think you can afford all that just skip weapon and focus on armor. A decently refined R8r weapon (def levels) does it's job if you're a support class like Cleric, Mystic* and Venomancer.


*playing support instead of offence/DD

Toliman - Raging Tide

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

...
You can +7 pretty easily with some event gold using refine aids. In fact you can go as far as +9 but that would require a lot more event gold & mirages (and you to be daring enough) but let's just stick to the regular +7 which is not really that bad...

Maximum, what I have now is +6, but it required so many event gold and mirages...

Also since DQ points page is out, then Event gold can't be obtained anymore.


I think, that for +7 will be necessary not less than 200 Event gold (more than 389 mirages in average if for levels +2 - +7 we will use refine aids).

Edit:
Since I had not refined my items more than for +5 (one item +6 only) and not used charms, then my character has 300 Event gold as reserve (without any "gifts" - all from DQ points) .

It is bad, that I can't play, because PWI had not created manual patch yet for last update.

OFate - Heavens Tear

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

You can +7 pretty easily with some event gold using refine aids. In fact you can go as far as +9 but that would require a lot more event gold & mirages (and you to be daring enough) but let's just stick to the regular +7 which is not really that bad.

I'm really bad with refinining - so I buy orbs off of those vendoring.

I left about 1.5 years ago - and have been whispering to folks about a few items they have. I'm guessing the more important the person thinks they are -- the less likely they will respond - because .... they don't... (you know ego+ means you are too insignificant to talk to).

I usually ask "The adorn you have, I see it is an upgraded cube - where can I upgrade mine".... and I'm pretty sure I get blocked.

So yes - I see the cube adorns upgraded as well as some green rings and such - but people in the game are not very forthcoming about sharing information.

But - I'm very glad they are here on the forum....

I understood the Nirvana upgrades, still trying to understand the new zone where you get purple names.

Thank you also for your responses.... it is kind of you to share your knowledge.

Fissile - Archosaur

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

... what?

Full r9 during sale from 0 rep = 711.7g.

At current Archo prices, that's ~1.35b.

Add in 9 summerwinds at 27m ea = 243m and we're up to 1.59b.

Badges must obviously be farmed, but opportunity cost at ~200k per badge is 42m (though you'd have to pay this for g16 too); we're up to 1.63b.

20 EoDs and 4 EoOs adds another 66m: 1.70b total.

Manufacturing fees adds another 23m: 1.72b total.

So we're at 1.72b total for full r9r3... what the hell kind of rings are you buying that's costing you that other 1.3b?

In any case, those rings (+ "etc") are separate from the r9r3 and cannot be included when comparing r9r3 vs. g16.

You left out the recast for the r9 ring which will run about 400m at current archosaur prices plus 1080 nw tokens (op. cost around 30m). Probably should add in another 50m to account for rerolling armor and weapon (applies to both gear paths).

Jarkhen - Archosaur

Fissile - Archosaur wrote: »

You left out the recast for the r9 ring which will run about 400m at current archosaur prices plus 1080 nw tokens (op. cost around 30m). Probably should add in another 50m to account for rerolling armor and weapon (applies to both gear paths).

I would hardly consider an NW'd r9 ring part of "standard" r9r3 (unless you're gonna compare it to getting a star's destiny instead). One step at a time.

Fissile - Archosaur

There is no real substitute for the r9 recast ring. It makes a much bigger difference (and is cheaper) than a love up and down or better tome. Only reason I don't have mine yet is I wanted to get my tradeable rings done first.

I would even recommend it for non r9 characters.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »

Also since DQ points page is out, then Event gold can't be obtained anymore.

Demon/Sage Event cards can be obtained through promos.
To be frank, most of the event gold I have that came through these cards were from promos, not DQ points (I usually miss Archosaur Assault due to timezone conflicts).

There are promotions that give you points for spending gold or buying certain boutique items, not just charging zen so you can buy gold through the Auction House, spend the gold during a promotion and get points > redeem for cards.

Certainly that requires some coin beforehand but you can start with small amounts at first the move on to better ones. DQ did help though, not denying it, so hopefully they'll include these cards in the new DQ system.

Mirages should come from BH mostly, that's the main source of my mirage stack. Running TT for fairy boxes help too.

Now, it's true that refining is heavily based on luck but when you see your luck being bad, you need to stop and try later or on a different day. I refined a G16 Nirvana set (minus cape) to +7 (my gear before R9) and my r9r3 to +7 with about ~100 event gold each. That's two cards per set.
I don't know how much others have spent though but that's what was the average for me.

SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear

People with poor peer pressure tend to lean toward r9 **** just go with the g16 gears wich are awesome to have.I could have got r9 a couple times already but I don't want to feel like a **** and like to have challenges.

MissCherie - Harshlands

Pretty much what Desdi said.

I got +7 my 4 pieces and weapon R9rr gears with event golds. (took me around 2000 mirages if irrc)

I used the exclusive garnets for all 4 pieces. (around 25m)

Not cause people are R9rr that they can't have ''normal'' refines (+7) and ''normal'' shards (exclusive/perfect).

R9rr+7 > G16 +10

Salari - Raging Tide

One thing is good, being a cleric you don't need top end gear to farm your top end gear. I ran my tt90 geared cleric in fws before just to see if it was possible (had help with pav).

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

maybe one of you brainies could makea pwi financial aid system o.o hosted by bored, rich, merchants. or CSers.

Vinat - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

maybe one of you brainies could makea pwi financial aid system o.o hosted by bored, rich, merchants. or CSers.

Bored and rich like you. Be my sponsor.

Toliman - Raging Tide

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

...

Mirages should come from BH mostly, that's the main source of my mirage stack. Running TT for fairy boxes help too.
...

Which one BH can be source of mirages for level 92 Wizard ?

TT with above character ?

All mirages, that I had I bought using coins.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

...

Now, it's true that refining is heavily based on luck but when you see your luck being bad, you need to stop and try later or on a different day. I refined a G16 Nirvana set (minus cape) to +7 (my gear before R9) and my r9r3 to +7 with about ~100 event gold each. That's two cards per set.
I don't know how much others have spent though but that's what was the average for me.

If I could do same, then I would do same.

Spent about 600 Event gold total and maximum, what I have +6 on one of my items, other items had been refined for not more than +5.

Edit:
Total Dragon Points Accumulated: 1031413
If I have about 300 Event gold in reserve, then rest of it gone for refining adds.

Jarkhen - Archosaur

Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »

Which one BH can be source of mirages for level 92 Wizard ?

TT with above character ?

All mirages, that I had I bought using coins.



If I could do same, then I would do same.

Spent about 500 Event gold total and maximum, what I have +6 on one of my items, other items had been refined for not more than +5.

I think a main source of your problem might be this:

Why are you worried about +7 when you're only level 92?

Toliman - Raging Tide

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

I think a main source of your problem might be this:

Why are you worried about +7 when you're only level 92?

I had refined only item, which can be used at level 100+ (Warsoul of Heaven).


Other items were refined for not more than +5 as I said above.

---

My character stay months on 90+ levels, I think, that better to use coins he got and Event gold he got for something useful, like Rank 7, which he has now or some gems. Total cost of some items he has (like Bound Oracle's Sleeves with Perfect Citrine Shards ) about 20 millions coins or more.