Using a Sin to Farm alt's r9 gears

zcurz3

Guess this might be a little long but please hear me out b:beatup

hmm ok... I've been reading some posts similar to this and most I've been seeing are "just cs" or "takes ALOT of time" or anything similar. I can't cs but I'm willing to work my way through to earn them. There are some who would give advice but the one who needs the advice got some real good refined gears enough for easy farming. b:surrender

I got a 101 demon sin, been off the game for a really long time. forgot most high lvl stuff and some high lvl stuff i just don't know xD. Turned into a complete noobie when i reached the lvl, No BH100/TT/Other instances knowledge b:surrender. Can barely even solo FC to sell the last room. Read alot of guides regarding these but I always mess up halfway through. f:ouch

I've been merchanting ever since i started playing PWI and It's the only thing I enjoy doing whenever I play b:shutup. I spend most of my time either merchanting or chatting and enjoying the game through chats/friends/fac. That said, I've built my sin through merchanting then doing fcs. Now 3.33/5 aps with the basic int gears for it, only +4 - 5 refines on my gears, G13 Nirv daggs, no -int tome, 5.2k hp and around 3k pdef/mdef. items and current coins worth 100m+ combined.

I would've merchanted my way to my wizard alt's r9, but im starting to feel the limits of merchanting (just me at least). Instead of merchanting, I would like to ACTUALLY start playing the game by farming/BH/etc. (no offense to other merchants ) and earn alot more coins like other people for my wizzy's r9.

I would like to use my sin as a farmer as i'm not interested in using it purely for pk. Would prefer solo farming as I try to avoid squads as much as I can in case I **** something up and end up being blamed big time xD, or I could just adjust to squad/squad modes for farming at instances if necessary. I'm thinking of spending my remaining cash and spend it on a g16 dagg to make it easier to farm but it'd cost me everything i have and would leave me nothing for my wiz r9 funds/savings.

Any help at all would be very much appreciated. Tips from other sins out there regarding those high lvl stuff BH/TT/FC soloing/Solo Farming would mean alot. Thanks for hearing me out and sorry it was too long xP

Selbronne - Heavens Tear

zcurz3 wrote: »

Any help at all would be very much appreciated. Tips from other sins out there regarding those high lvl stuff BH/TT/FC soloing/Solo Farming would mean alot. Thanks for hearing me out and sorry it was too long xP

I can give u 2 advices regardless soloing:
1. Go to the forum section dungeons and tactics and read the guides. There should be all written there there is no need to repeat it.
2. Go to youtube and wach some videos on how to do instances

both of the things should have helped ya. in my opinion u should be able to solo ff quite easy, higher TTs might be a pain. BH 100 are easy too. hope this helped

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

zcurz3 wrote: »

Guess this might be a little long but please hear me out b:beatup

hmm ok... I've been reading some posts similar to this and most I've been seeing are "just cs" or "takes ALOT of time" or anything similar. I can't cs but I'm willing to work my way through to earn them. There are some who would give advice but the one who needs the advice got some real good refined gears enough for easy farming. b:surrender

I got a 101 demon sin, been off the game for a really long time. forgot most high lvl stuff and some high lvl stuff i just don't know xD. Turned into a complete noobie when i reached the lvl, No BH100/TT/Other instances knowledge b:surrender. Can barely even solo FC to sell the last room. Read alot of guides regarding these but I always mess up halfway through. f:ouch

I've been merchanting ever since i started playing PWI and It's the only thing I enjoy doing whenever I play b:shutup. I spend most of my time either merchanting or chatting and enjoying the game through chats/friends/fac. That said, I've built my sin through merchanting then doing fcs. Now 3.33/5 aps with the basic int gears for it, only +4 - 5 refines on my gears, G13 Nirv daggs, no -int tome, 5.2k hp and around 3k pdef/mdef. items and current coins worth 100m+ combined.

I would've merchanted my way to my wizard alt's r9, but im starting to feel the limits of merchanting (just me at least). Instead of merchanting, I would like to ACTUALLY start playing the game by farming/BH/etc. (no offense to other merchants ) and earn alot more coins like other people for my wizzy's r9.

I would like to use my sin as a farmer as i'm not interested in using it purely for pk. Would prefer solo farming as I try to avoid squads as much as I can in case I **** something up and end up being blamed big time xD, or I could just adjust to squad/squad modes for farming at instances if necessary. I'm thinking of spending my remaining cash and spend it on a g16 dagg to make it easier to farm but it'd cost me everything i have and would leave me nothing for my wiz r9 funds/savings.

Any help at all would be very much appreciated. Tips from other sins out there regarding those high lvl stuff BH/TT/FC soloing/Solo Farming would mean alot. Thanks for hearing me out and sorry it was too long xP

Ditch the g13's and get a pair of g16's with .05 int at least. That nets you way more damage than a tome. Learn to refine armors with teinkangs, tishas, and mirages, it'll save you lots of money. My general refine aid rules:

+3 with mirages; stop.
Then +6 with Teinkangs; stop.
Then +7 with Tisha; stop.

After that its up to you whether you wanna gamble with more refine aids or use orbs, I personally use orbs after 7. Personally I pay refine services 32m to refine g16 weapons, save me a lot of time with g16 weps, but with my r9rr dags I went to +6 then used orbs.

Salari - Raging Tide

You can solo fc atleast with those gears, can solo any fb upto 89 as well (89 can be decent for books/molds/coins).

I would have to disagree with the previous posted on G16. I would suggest building up your defenses then work on upgrading the daggers. You need plenty of badges anyway to reroll the daggers if you dont get any -interval. Work on better refines and a tome. With those refines you are relying solely on bp/pots/charms/buffs to survive. When you get to the point you can solo bosses in fc without bp/buffs and just using crabs, then you should be ready to upgrade your daggers. Upgrading daggers brings better damage but no increase in defense.

Alot of people (including me) went the glass cannon route, it cost me quite a lot of farming time and what I could farm by quite a bit. If I had better defenses I could have farmed more areas/instances quicker. Instead it took me longer.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

3k m and pdef are insanely low.
http://pwcalc.com/b50902c820904a3f should be fine for FC; like 40 min or so

Tips for FC: stealth past things and clear mobs for buyer as you wc.

Second boss, spark kill his adds, kill one tele to the next, condensed thorn adds a really nice bit of damage. Self buffed you should be able to kill all of the first 2 waves and 1/2 of the last wave. This will give you weakened boss. Weakened boss starts to bubble about 1 spark cycle in so spark-->port into him and start attacking right away, never mind rib striking. YOu have 15 seconds of free DDing time. Then, hit a vac powder for your 2nd spark. For the enxt spark and a half you're covered. When vac icon wears off hit maze steps for last spark, and ONLY THEN use tidal when your antistuns are gone.

Put on a good genie and soloing him self buffed isn't hard at all.

If you're not slept you can trip spark resist purges on Dread but he's doable with crabs and elixirs from divine quests. Kill bishops fast

Runewolf is easy

Sleep boss is easy

BR boss is uber easy

You can more than faceroll 3-X solo mode with that build. Bosses don't do anything special. Can farm TT90 green gear, which don't do super well but sell okay

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

You can solo fc atleast with those gears, can solo any fb upto 89 as well (89 can be decent for books/molds/coins).

I would have to disagree with the previous posted on G16. I would suggest building up your defenses then work on upgrading the daggers. You need plenty of badges anyway to reroll the daggers if you dont get any -interval. Work on better refines and a tome. With those refines you are relying solely on bp/pots/charms/buffs to survive. When you get to the point you can solo bosses in fc without bp/buffs and just using crabs, then you should be ready to upgrade your daggers. Upgrading daggers brings better damage but no increase in defense.

Alot of people (including me) went the glass cannon route, it cost me quite a lot of farming time and what I could farm by quite a bit. If I had better defenses I could have farmed more areas/instances quicker. Instead it took me longer.

I'm sorry but you suggested a int tome over g16 dags? I stopped there. The tome is extra, not a neccessity. I offers nothing but a few stats and int. Which is basically better damage. G16 daggers are cheaper, and also have chances of getting HP/Vit/Def Lv adds, which is more useful that the int tome. Maybe sins should look at the cost efficiency for a tome rather than just suggesting one right off the bat. My wife has better defenses than my sin due to get being 4 aps with 4 peices of g15 gears and g13 daggers. I used the tradition aps set. Not only do I take less damage than her due to how I set up my gears, I heal 4-5x more than her from BP, and I kill faster.

I am the glass cannon route, but I also know what I'm talking about. Better defenses dont farm quicker, they farm safer. It really comes down to skill as well and how familiar you are with the bosses you are farming. I had G16 +10 dags with vit and hp. I could farm fc w/o using a single crab meat, and I didnt have to spark on anything but bosses. It's an instance that doesnt require many defenses to solo for the small amount of money you gain anyway. But this is said for most things.

Point is: Skip the tome for now, get better daggers. The tome is not cost efficient. And +7 refine is so easy to get, it puts you in a medium range for defenses, which also put you in a better spot for getting better daggers.

EDIT: However before I make myself seem like a complete jerk. Did you mean a regular tome, or an int tome?

ZooozOOo - Archosaur

well actually when we talk abt farming lots of money its impotent to find the cost of mats n accordingly we can set the standards...
sometimes making a cleric alt can turn out to be a cheaper option than soloing....
like in my server prices of tt 2-2 green mats r higher than greens of 3-2 n 3-3 so if u hv abt 7-8k hp barb buffed with a cleric doing tts of 2-x n up to 3-1(excluding gba) shouldn't be a big deal.. now as gears goes well as a farmer i always think abt what would help me farm faster well 2ways r already suggested ether get tome or dag that's up to u...
since u dont kno much abt cave ask any of ur frnd that knos abt caves to take u to 1 nothing works better than practical.....
n if u farm like a boss like abt 1bill in a month like 2x well that's a lot of work at least 10k+hp a decent pdef (involves+10ing few gears for sure)well so i personally believe u should strt with low tts like 2-x n 3-1s can earn decent...

zcurz3

Sorry for the late reply and thanks for all who offered some tips/advice b:laugh.

Now, i've decided to look for a cheap G16 daggs on my server ( because most are overpriced atm xD). In the meantime, i'm still stuck with my +5 G13 nirvy daggs. I've tried selling FC but then i've had some trouble with the bishop boss and the last room's boss (cause i can't focus my aps on the boss , trouble with hands , lag , etc.) and so I've asked my sin friend to do duo fc with me and share the profit 50-50. It gotten way easier than when i tried to solo it lol. So far, i've gotten some decent amount of coins off fc selling. Although I can't help but notice how slow it's going since a 20-40 min. duo fc selling earns us quite a few since we have to share it + it's gotten a bit hard looking for fc buyers lately so most of our earnings end up being spent on (now overpriced) teles and a few on pots. And there are also times when we get limited to 2-3 fcs per day since my partner (who i duo fc with) has some RL stuff to handle.

So I'm back to looking for a more profitable instance (except FC) I could handle solo(with no charms) and could be repeatedly done once a day. I've tried TT 2-2 solo mode lotsa times before and earned me alot of coins selling forshura's hook/mirages during 2x/etc. but that was over a year ago. Those TT 2-2 mats rarely sell nowadays, at least on my server. I'm still doing merchanting as a way of getting some extra coins to keep me going, but I rarely make profit off it nowadays, reasons being my server's population is dropping/ Most active players are already OP,High lvl, or has everything they need/ Most people I encounter are also merchants who'd do everything just to get me to lower my pricing lol.
TT mats almost never sell nowadays too cause everyone's going straight for their endgame gears and rarely craft their pre-endgame gears, instead buy those already-made ones flooding AH

What i'm looking for might sound impossible since I removed solo FC and TT 2-x off it but there must be another instance that is worth solo-ing/ i can handle. Though if solo is really impossible, I'm open to any profitable cave/instance suggestions which can only be done with squad, and practice the cave till I get the job of a sin there right xD. I mean those instance where a traditional 3.33/5 aps build is still acceptable in squad.... since I think most squads prefer those sins with high refines/ r9rr/ 5 aps with G16 daggs + tome, etc.b:nosebleed

btw, I read a full warsong guide recently and it mentioned something about each member having to solo a "Pav", is there any way I can open it solo then practice on which "Pav" i can do till i get it right? I've been hearing alot WC buying EoO / EoD and those items which sell quite easily + the crafting services from the mold obtainable through this instance (and i think in Lunar as well) and if I could get this instance right, instead of buying a g16 daggs, i could just roll my g13 to g15, then to T3 daggs which could probably save me more money.

any thoughts/suggestions/tips regarding this? f:thanks

and sorry it was a looong reply lol b:surrender

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

zcurz3 wrote: »

Sorry for the late reply and thanks for all who offered some tips/advice b:laugh.

Now, i've decided to look for a cheap G16 daggs on my server ( because most are overpriced atm xD). In the meantime, i'm still stuck with my +5 G13 nirvy daggs. I've tried selling FC but then i've had some trouble with the bishop boss and the last room's boss (cause i can't focus my aps on the boss , trouble with hands , lag , etc.) and so I've asked my sin friend to do duo fc with me and share the profit 50-50. It gotten way easier than when i tried to solo it lol. So far, i've gotten some decent amount of coins off fc selling. Although I can't help but notice how slow it's going since a 20-40 min. duo fc selling earns us quite a few since we have to share it + it's gotten a bit hard looking for fc buyers lately so most of our earnings end up being spent on (now overpriced) teles and a few on pots. And there are also times when we get limited to 2-3 fcs per day since my partner (who i duo fc with) has some RL stuff to handle.

So I'm back to looking for a more profitable instance (except FC) I could handle solo(with no charms) and could be repeatedly done once a day. I've tried TT 2-2 solo mode lotsa times before and earned me alot of coins selling forshura's hook/mirages during 2x/etc. but that was over a year ago. Those TT 2-2 mats rarely sell nowadays, at least on my server. I'm still doing merchanting as a way of getting some extra coins to keep me going, but I rarely make profit off it nowadays, reasons being my server's population is dropping/ Most active players are already OP,High lvl, or has everything they need/ Most people I encounter are also merchants who'd do everything just to get me to lower my pricing lol.
TT mats almost never sell nowadays too cause everyone's going straight for their endgame gears and rarely craft their pre-endgame gears, instead buy those already-made ones flooding AH

What i'm looking for might sound impossible since I removed solo FC and TT 2-x off it but there must be another instance that is worth solo-ing/ i can handle. Though if solo is really impossible, I'm open to any profitable cave/instance suggestions which can only be done with squad, and practice the cave till I get the job of a sin there right xD. I mean those instance where a traditional 3.33/5 aps build is still acceptable in squad.... since I think most squads prefer those sins with high refines/ r9rr/ 5 aps with G16 daggs + tome, etc.b:nosebleed

btw, I read a full warsong guide recently and it mentioned something about each member having to solo a "Pav", is there any way I can open it solo then practice on which "Pav" i can do till i get it right? I've been hearing alot WC buying EoO / EoD and those items which sell quite easily + the crafting services from the mold obtainable through this instance (and i think in Lunar as well) and if I could get this instance right, instead of buying a g16 daggs, i could just roll my g13 to g15, then to T3 daggs which could probably save me more money.

any thoughts/suggestions/tips regarding this? f:thanks

and sorry it was a looong reply lol b:surrender

BH Snake/Cannon can be used for practice, just tell your squad what you're up to. Honestly most squads dont give a hoot what aps you are now, even stealth WS. As long as your do your DD job without going splat, it will ensure you spaces in some squads are a while. My sin is r9.3 +10 and sage with no tome, 2.5 base. I rarely ever get turned down for a BH squad. I have my aps set and my r9.3 set (+7 refines on most peices for both), and knowing when to use what set goes a long way, squads will remember you for it.

Try not to focus so much int, go for more DPH. 4-5 aps is more than enough, even 3.33 if you dont mind using skills to stay sparked. But when you increase your DPH, your BP heals are better for autos AND skills (anti aps debuffs cut ur bp heals).

As for mats, Sacred Mother's Aura's sell well on my server at 3m each, the price never changes even in 2x. It's required to make lunar gears, so see if people are looking for those and farm Nemen in 3-1 for it. The boss is easy, just watch out for her mag attack, and dont rib strike her. It makes the mag atk hit harder in my experience.

WannaBM - Archosaur

If you say this is what you really enjoy, you might also want to study merchanting some more. There are lots of opportunities, but it requires a bunch of money to invest. Just search the forums look around you what others do to see the possibilities.

So its a choise what for you is the best investment, investing in your sin to farm or investing items that you think are going up in value. If you have say a billion coins to merchant with, you can make 100m or a few 100m per month depending on your skills and time invested. You can put that same billion in making the sin G16 with tome and everything +8 to 10, then you can solo TT for 5 - 10m per hour during 2x or half that off 2x.

of course it doesnt have to be a billion, you can do a bit of both and farm a bit slower but also keep a good budged for merchanting.

Eoria - Harshlands

tbh, with stuff like the recent changes to Tiger and CoA events, I really wouldn't invest too heavily in a farming sin.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

tbh, with stuff like the recent changes to Tiger and CoA events, I really wouldn't invest too heavily in a farming sin.

Tigers and CoA dont farm TT and lunar do they? Nuff said.