Seeker's damage difference

_Saikyik_ - Archosaur
_Saikyik_ - Archosaur Posts: 27 Arc User
edited October 2013 in Seeker
Hi,
So I was wondering which build is better? A dex build or str build? I currently have a dex build with 40% crit rate but was wondering if I had minimum dex in the multiple of 20, and the rest in str, would it do more damage overall or would dex out DD since there is more crits?
Thanks in advance for the replies,
-_Saikyik_
Post edited by _Saikyik_ - Archosaur on

Comments

  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    edited October 2013
    A while ago I posted some comparison data, rather than just linking the posts, I'll quote it to make it easier.
    Interesting info, so I played around a bit with pwcalc.....

    My current build...
    http://pwcalc.com/af8e0048aa9ed124
    HP ~ 7081
    Physical Atk. ~ 3070-3765
    Pdef ~ 6643
    Crit ~ 11%
    Accuracy ~ 2415
    Evasion ~ 1784

    50 VIT extra 40 to DEX
    http://pwcalc.com/4f3dbb5128ebbac5
    HP ~ 6481
    Physical Atk. ~ 3070-3765
    Pdef ~ 6477
    Crit ~ 13%
    Accuracy ~ 3015
    Evasion ~ 2184


    50 VIT, extra 40 to STR
    http://pwcalc.com/2b1527e91f493f69
    HP ~ 6481
    Physical Atk. ~ 3389-4155
    Pdef ~ 6709
    Crit ~ 11%
    Accuracy ~ 2415
    Evasion ~ 1784

    At a glance, points to STR, only have a significant improvement to the pdef value. Which, as Hexalot previously described, is moot given our def levels. HOWEVER, look at the significant increase in the base damage range.

    Putting the points to DEX makes a significant increase in the accuracy and evasion values, plus there is another 2% crit.

    Now here's where we get to the fuzzy part....
    Which is going to be a bigger benefit long-term?
    For me, it's going to come right down to which deals the most damage since the differences in the defense values are pretty much moot.

    Say I'm running a vortex for an hour in Delta. Which build will deal the most overall damage in that hour? STR has a nice steady increase to all damage dealt across the board, but how does that compare with dealing double damage 2% more often?

    I'll have to make a chart for that in a few. I've got a formula sitting around here somewhere I used to compare pet DPS, shouldn't take long to convert some values.
    Ok, I finally took a few minutes and worked out the damage differnces between the different builds I posted earlier.

    Now, we will use Vortex as our base because it does a fixed DPS.
    I'll also calculate using L10 Vortex so that we don't get ito any differences between Sage and Demon.
    The damage is equal to base damage plus 100% of weapon damage plus 7842.8. For the weapon, we'll use my Divine Comprehension with a weapon damage range of 999-1269. (We'll use the median of 1134)
    It states that it consumes mana every 1.5 seconds, but deals constant damage. When I use Vortex, I see damage numbers about every 5 seconds, and it's 3 numbers displaying at once, so I'll use 36 attacks per minute for this formula.

    So, now that we've defined our damage bases, here's the formula...
    ((base damage + 100% weapon damage + 7842.8) = Base Damage per strike
    A Critical Strike would be (Base Damage per Strike x 2)
    Then we need to calculate the critstrike rate into our overall formula...
    If we figure a critstrike rate of 10%, then that's 6 crits per minute. then you could count 32.4 regular stikes and 3.6 critical strikes per minute. Sure, you never have a partial crit, but we'll work with it for now...
    So, then we take all of these fun numbers, and throw them together into the final formula..
    ((Base Damage per Strike x 32.4) + (Critical Strike Damage x 3.6)) / 60 = Damage Per Second
    Sure it's not perfect because Crits are still random, but for theorizing which system will net more damage, it's an exellent base.

    Now for the formulas.

    My current build. (Links are in my post above)
    Base Damage = 3417.5 (Median of 3070 and 3765)
    3417.5 + 1134 + 7842.8 = 12394.3 Base Damage per Strike
    12394.3 x 2 = 24788.6 Critical Strike Damage
    Critical Rate is 11%, so 11% of 36 stikes is 3.96.
    (12394.3 x 32.04) + (24788.6 x 3.96) / 60 =
    (397113.4 + 98162.9) / 60 =
    495276.3 / 60 = 8254.6 DPS

    whew...

    My DEX build
    Base Damage = 3417.5 (Median of 3070 and 3765)
    3417.5 + 1134 + 7842.8 = 12394.3 Base Damage per Strike
    12394.3 x 2 = 24788.6 Critical Strike Damage
    Critical Rate is 13%, so 13% of 36 stikes is 4.68.
    (12394.3 x 31.32) + (24788.6 x 4.68) / 60 =
    (388189.5 + 116010.6) / 60 =
    504200.1 / 60 = 8403.3 DPS

    One more time...

    My STR build
    Base Damage = 3772 (Median of 3389 and 4155)
    3772 + 1134 + 7842.8 = 12748.8 Base Damage per Strike
    12748.8 x 2 = 25497.6 Critical Strike Damage
    Critical Rate is 11%, so 11% of 36 stikes is 3.96.
    (12748.8 x 32.04) + (25497.6 x 3.96) / 60 =
    (408471.5 + 100970.5) / 60 =
    509442 / 60 = 8490.7 DPS


    So, for those that can't see through the math....

    Vortex DPS of VIT build is. 8254.6
    Vortex DPS of DEX build is 8403.3
    Vortex DPS of STR build is. 8490.7

    While that initially doesn't look like a huge difference, look at the per-minute damage...
    Vortex DPM of VIT build is. 495276.3
    Vortex DPM of DEX build is 504200.1
    Vortex DPM of STR build is. 509442

    Or for the Delta fiends, here's per HOUR =P
    Vortex DPH of VIT build is. 29,716,578
    Vortex DPH of DEX build is 30,252,006 (535,428 more than VIT)
    Vortex DPH of STR build is. 30,566,520 (314,514 more than DEX, 849,942 more than VIT)
    That's a HUGE difference of per hour of damage between the builds.


    It just confirms what Mattiks said. Pure STR is going to be the best overall build. It not only boosts your defense, but has the highest average output damage as well, even counting the Crits with Dex. As far as Accuracy goes, I very rarely miss with an accuracy of 2415, increasing it by 600 points isn't going to make a huge difference overall. Same goes for Evasion.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Quick! sylen do a speedy calc with 100 more points added to the stats of this build!
    http://pwcalc.com/7fca61d05f323fa5

    wanna see if change with that rebirth but im lazy >> !
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
    ★"New weekly quests! "Discover the bug in the patch""-Nihillae★"My father would beat me if he found out I was QQing over a virtual pony."-Neurosis★"You're amongst the biggest blobs of fail I've ever seen in my life."-Ninnuam★"A statistic said 3% people of the world get enjoyment primarily from making people upset, and you are trying to discriminate them"-ilystah★["How To Tank Rebirth Order Delta (86+)"-Stickygreen Barb (1)restat. you want full magic, Arcane armour build (2)when mobs come /faceroll on your keyboard and you will one shot all the mobs (3)rinse and repeat]★"I've been spammed with 3 poops for 2 hours."-ColdSteele★"If someone fights learning, I don't bother with them outside of amusement factor."-Telarith★"This thread is a joke right? Please say yes."-eatwithspoons★ "This is why you don't post your opinions on the internet, most of the replies you get will be from people who missed a hug or two sometime in their youth."-Alacol★"Sexy! A post with a Binomial Distribution."-Asterelle★"It's about time PW starts to separate out the noob Sins from the rest."-salvati0n★"Shoo troll >:O"-TheDan
  • Raphxelion - Raging Tide
    Raphxelion - Raging Tide Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Quick! sylen do a speedy calc with 100 more points added to the stats of this build!
    http://pwcalc.com/7fca61d05f323fa5

    wanna see if change with that rebirth but im lazy >> !
    Im kinda intrested in this so i'll do this!