Seeker's damage difference
_Saikyik_ - Archosaur
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Hi,
So I was wondering which build is better? A dex build or str build? I currently have a dex build with 40% crit rate but was wondering if I had minimum dex in the multiple of 20, and the rest in str, would it do more damage overall or would dex out DD since there is more crits?
Thanks in advance for the replies,
-_Saikyik_
So I was wondering which build is better? A dex build or str build? I currently have a dex build with 40% crit rate but was wondering if I had minimum dex in the multiple of 20, and the rest in str, would it do more damage overall or would dex out DD since there is more crits?
Thanks in advance for the replies,
-_Saikyik_
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A while ago I posted some comparison data, rather than just linking the posts, I'll quote it to make it easier.SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »Interesting info, so I played around a bit with pwcalc.....
My current build...
http://pwcalc.com/af8e0048aa9ed124
HP ~ 7081
Physical Atk. ~ 3070-3765
Pdef ~ 6643
Crit ~ 11%
Accuracy ~ 2415
Evasion ~ 1784
50 VIT extra 40 to DEX
http://pwcalc.com/4f3dbb5128ebbac5
HP ~ 6481
Physical Atk. ~ 3070-3765
Pdef ~ 6477
Crit ~ 13%
Accuracy ~ 3015
Evasion ~ 2184
50 VIT, extra 40 to STR
http://pwcalc.com/2b1527e91f493f69
HP ~ 6481
Physical Atk. ~ 3389-4155
Pdef ~ 6709
Crit ~ 11%
Accuracy ~ 2415
Evasion ~ 1784
At a glance, points to STR, only have a significant improvement to the pdef value. Which, as Hexalot previously described, is moot given our def levels. HOWEVER, look at the significant increase in the base damage range.
Putting the points to DEX makes a significant increase in the accuracy and evasion values, plus there is another 2% crit.
Now here's where we get to the fuzzy part....
Which is going to be a bigger benefit long-term?
For me, it's going to come right down to which deals the most damage since the differences in the defense values are pretty much moot.
Say I'm running a vortex for an hour in Delta. Which build will deal the most overall damage in that hour? STR has a nice steady increase to all damage dealt across the board, but how does that compare with dealing double damage 2% more often?
I'll have to make a chart for that in a few. I've got a formula sitting around here somewhere I used to compare pet DPS, shouldn't take long to convert some values.SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »Ok, I finally took a few minutes and worked out the damage differnces between the different builds I posted earlier.
Now, we will use Vortex as our base because it does a fixed DPS.
I'll also calculate using L10 Vortex so that we don't get ito any differences between Sage and Demon.
The damage is equal to base damage plus 100% of weapon damage plus 7842.8. For the weapon, we'll use my Divine Comprehension with a weapon damage range of 999-1269. (We'll use the median of 1134)
It states that it consumes mana every 1.5 seconds, but deals constant damage. When I use Vortex, I see damage numbers about every 5 seconds, and it's 3 numbers displaying at once, so I'll use 36 attacks per minute for this formula.
So, now that we've defined our damage bases, here's the formula...
((base damage + 100% weapon damage + 7842.8) = Base Damage per strike
A Critical Strike would be (Base Damage per Strike x 2)
Then we need to calculate the critstrike rate into our overall formula...
If we figure a critstrike rate of 10%, then that's 6 crits per minute. then you could count 32.4 regular stikes and 3.6 critical strikes per minute. Sure, you never have a partial crit, but we'll work with it for now...
So, then we take all of these fun numbers, and throw them together into the final formula..
((Base Damage per Strike x 32.4) + (Critical Strike Damage x 3.6)) / 60 = Damage Per Second
Sure it's not perfect because Crits are still random, but for theorizing which system will net more damage, it's an exellent base.
Now for the formulas.
My current build. (Links are in my post above)
Base Damage = 3417.5 (Median of 3070 and 3765)
3417.5 + 1134 + 7842.8 = 12394.3 Base Damage per Strike
12394.3 x 2 = 24788.6 Critical Strike Damage
Critical Rate is 11%, so 11% of 36 stikes is 3.96.
(12394.3 x 32.04) + (24788.6 x 3.96) / 60 =
(397113.4 + 98162.9) / 60 =
495276.3 / 60 = 8254.6 DPS
whew...
My DEX build
Base Damage = 3417.5 (Median of 3070 and 3765)
3417.5 + 1134 + 7842.8 = 12394.3 Base Damage per Strike
12394.3 x 2 = 24788.6 Critical Strike Damage
Critical Rate is 13%, so 13% of 36 stikes is 4.68.
(12394.3 x 31.32) + (24788.6 x 4.68) / 60 =
(388189.5 + 116010.6) / 60 =
504200.1 / 60 = 8403.3 DPS
One more time...
My STR build
Base Damage = 3772 (Median of 3389 and 4155)
3772 + 1134 + 7842.8 = 12748.8 Base Damage per Strike
12748.8 x 2 = 25497.6 Critical Strike Damage
Critical Rate is 11%, so 11% of 36 stikes is 3.96.
(12748.8 x 32.04) + (25497.6 x 3.96) / 60 =
(408471.5 + 100970.5) / 60 =
509442 / 60 = 8490.7 DPS
So, for those that can't see through the math....
Vortex DPS of VIT build is. 8254.6
Vortex DPS of DEX build is 8403.3
Vortex DPS of STR build is. 8490.7
While that initially doesn't look like a huge difference, look at the per-minute damage...
Vortex DPM of VIT build is. 495276.3
Vortex DPM of DEX build is 504200.1
Vortex DPM of STR build is. 509442
Or for the Delta fiends, here's per HOUR =P
Vortex DPH of VIT build is. 29,716,578
Vortex DPH of DEX build is 30,252,006 (535,428 more than VIT)
Vortex DPH of STR build is. 30,566,520 (314,514 more than DEX, 849,942 more than VIT)
That's a HUGE difference of per hour of damage between the builds.
It just confirms what Mattiks said. Pure STR is going to be the best overall build. It not only boosts your defense, but has the highest average output damage as well, even counting the Crits with Dex. As far as Accuracy goes, I very rarely miss with an accuracy of 2415, increasing it by 600 points isn't going to make a huge difference overall. Same goes for Evasion.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Quick! sylen do a speedy calc with 100 more points added to the stats of this build!
http://pwcalc.com/7fca61d05f323fa5
wanna see if change with that rebirth but im lazy >> !
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Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »Quick! sylen do a speedy calc with 100 more points added to the stats of this build!
http://pwcalc.com/7fca61d05f323fa5
wanna see if change with that rebirth but im lazy >> !0
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