The word R/\pe... Please get educated.

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear

I have a beef about people using this word ingame. The survivor of this horrid abuse can get flashbacks, thrown into deep depression, become suicidal and a number of other effects from just seeing the word.

People come here to relax and have fun and get away from every day real life issues (or at least I do.) It's not something you just get over or can grow a thicker skin about. It's not about where the word originated from or how it's used in sentence. It's about what it does to the person seeing it.

I know not everyone is going to agree with me on this but I wish people would get a bit more educated on what it does to the survivors. It's more logical to think about what you say rather than the other person to "not be offended.

If you wish to educate yourselves on exactly what a survivor goes through every day then i have provided a link.


http://rainn.org/get-information/effects-of-sexual-assault

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

I agree with your sentiment.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Sucks for them, sure.

But I guess instead of trying to change the world, it would be easier to just change someones approach to things. Because the first thing isn't going to happen.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

If we are talking about traumatic events, then really, anything is on the line. I could mention flowers in World Chat and someone with a traumatic event with flowers will fall under various mental states.

You can mention a kitten, and someone who had experience with a kitten dying from unfortunate events/causes would definitely also fall under this.

Either way, you can't change one's mindset if its set dead on. Yes, you can tell them "Hey, I find offense to that." and really....that's about it. Whatever actions come from it, you must only accept.

Of course you can always go into an Orwellian nightmare and arrest them for their beliefs.b:surrender

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

i think you should tell them personally if their like being up and personal to you or around you. Not post in on a game forum where that sort of term is pretty much casual. I know the rl action itself is shtty as ** and i agree too, but when you come to a game and 'have a beef' about it in public, pple are just going to dismiss you off as being hypersensitive. Its like the word 'gey' being used casually. "Haha thats sooo gaayyyyyy!" If someone who is really homosexual starts to put a gripe in public, pple are just going to think they are hypersensitive to something thats not intended to be what hes complaining about.

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

i think you should tell them personally if their like being up and personal to you or around you. Not post in on a game forum where that sort of term is pretty much casual. I know the rl action itself is shtty as ** and i agree too, but when you come to a game and 'have a beef' about it in public, pple are just going to dismiss you off as being hypersensitive. Its like the word 'gey' being used casually. If someone who is really homosexual starts to put a gripe in public, pple are just going to think they are hypersensitive to something thats not intended to be what hes complaining about.

the person IS hypersensitive

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the person IS hypersensitive

well the reality is that hypersensitivity is endless. pretty much what Knownase said above.
it would be almost a little selfish to think that this persons problems stands above all others and therefor should be prioritized and cautioned. =S trauma can be anywhere.

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

well the reality is that hypersensitivity is endless. pretty much what Knownase said above.
it would be almost a little selfish to think that this persons problems stands above all others and therefor should be prioritized and cautioned. =S trauma can be anywhere.

true but it doesnt hurt to bring awareness to the situation

krisnda

I'm going to move this to off-topic.

Please keep the convo civil. I'd hate to delete posts.

As for the actual topic, I have to agree with this post:

Yes, you can tell them "Hey, I find offense to that." and really....that's about it. Whatever actions come from it, you must only accept.

You can't really control peoples actions on the internet .

ovenusarmanio

I do agree with you wholeheartedly. And I think the difference between not using the word, and every other word is obvious. You can't know what someone's personal trauma is so you can't censor everyday words like "flower," unless someone opens up to you about a personal trauma. But there are a lot of women and men out there who have been through this nightmare ordeal. Everyone knows this. You know it's going to cause problems for someone out there. 1 in 6 women in the US alone are victims of ****. A person is ***** in the world every 2 minutes. The chances are very, very, very high you're upsetting someone when you use it world chat. Whereas with the word flower, that is a much less widespread word and so the chances of you offending someone with it are smaller. You can't spend your whole life censored, but you can use a bit of sense when the problem is widespread. There is no point you can make that necessitates the word whereas if you're discussing cats, ofc Kittens would come up. Those words are far less likely to inflict trauma on someone, whereas by using the word **** you know it's going to and you just don't care because you can't solve everyone's problems. Just my opinion.

bonijaxxx

i doubt it cause problems for everyone, atleast for me the word itself doesnt mean anything and i use it myself in games often(like when one hitting boss or elite). when people start to talk about actual r/\pe then i ask to change convo(if its in guild chat and as it is disturbing convo then they usually stop), if in other chats then i just turn chat off, or go away from pc and feed my hungry belly and when i get back they usually have finished that convo.
if some1 is so hypersensitive over a word then i wonder why they already haven't turned off chats
there are also many single player games...don't have play social games and punish yourself

i have had many many nightmares with veno froggy pet killing me just by staring at me, so whenever i see one or people talk about it i get creepy flashbacks lol. that seems more disturbing to me than r/\pe word

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Totaly agree, it always disturbed me people that use such a word so carelessly like it was some middle school term.

...and its not about being hypersensitive, its about things themselves.You can't image traumas with flowers or other non-offensive things, but you can't take that as an excuse to use any term you like.

That thing, the r/\pe its a terrible thing,people should try for a second to image how a victim would feel to remember such an event,even for a moment.

I had my traumas too in my life,not related to r/\pe, but still, it takes just a second to ruin the good mood of a day,it takes just an image,a split second,to make me remember things I want to leave behind.

Just image yourself a victim for 1 second,and if you get the slightest idea of it,you'll realize on how inappropriate that word is being used so freely.

krisnda

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just image yourself a victim for 1 second,and if you get the slightest idea of it,you'll realize on how inappropriate that word is being used so freely.

Sadly, less people today know what the word "empathy" means.

Totaly agree, it always disturbed me people that use such a word so carelessly like it was some middle school term.

I also agree with this.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Honestly, and this statement might sound bad, but with the internet being dominate, how meanings and morals are drawn, they might start shifting into lesser "offensive" perspectives to the average human.

An example of this is probably the current events happening at Steubenville High School involving a **** case that Anonymous brought attention to. The videos Anonymous posted are indeed extremely vile, but might be a case where **** is just....a word and nothing more to those involved in the scandal.

However, my ultimate point is, you can't single this out. There are tons of other things out there that are offensive, not just ****, and it's tossed around much more than that word, especially on World Chat in HT.

ovenusarmanio

bonijaxxx wrote: »

i have had many many nightmares with veno froggy pet killing me just by staring at me, so whenever i see one or people talk about it i get creepy flashbacks lol. that seems more disturbing to me than r/\pe word

I'm sorry but you had flashbacks to nightmares (which aren't real) over the frogs but can't understand why someone wouldn't want to have flashbacks to REAL trauma? I mean nobody is describing your nightmares to you right? Just seeing one is enough. I'm sorry but you should really understand where this is coming from. b:surrender

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Honestly, and this statement might sound bad, but with the internet being dominate, how meanings and morals are drawn, they might start shifting into lesser "offensive" perspectives to the average human.

An example of this is probably the current events happening at Steubenville High School involving a **** case that Anonymous brought attention to. The videos Anonymous posted are indeed extremely vile, but might be a case where **** is just....a word and nothing more to those involved in the scandal.

However, my ultimate point is, you can't single this out. There are tons of other things out there that are offensive, not just ****, and it's tossed around much more than that word, especially on World Chat in HT.

Offensive and honestly traumatic are two different things though. And that case sickens me. It wasn't just a word to those guys, it was a funny thing to do to someone. And their is proof that they did actually commit the act. And it illustrates how damaging the flippant attitude towards it is, to the point that rapists are so protected. Society doesn't condemn people who treat it flippantly, so to too many it's just not a big deal. I think world chat is part of that problem. It's just not world chat it is everywhere though. There is a causal attitude towards it in society, unlike say to Hitler. The Holocaust is certainly more horrible, for example. But everyone knows its horrible. You don't here people thinking it would be a good idea to commit another Holocaust. Society doesn't want to protect the Hitlers of the world. Whereas 97% of all rapist never see a day in prison and jokes are made about it on tv. Entire towns will rally upon a rapist just because they can play football. It starts with awareness and with it being uncool in things like games and television. Including this game and this world chat.

Zanryu - Lothranis

The word **** offends me. Women who get drunk and have consensual sex with a man, then later regret it, who claim **** make me want to hurt something. It offends and upsets me, how DARE you use that word on these forums! Do you know how I feel about this?! Those poor men, sent off to court and having their reputations ruined! Even if they're found innocent it's hard to recover from such an accusation. I can't believe you used that word!!

Ugh. I just can't even. I have lost my ability to even. I'm just that upset right now. All because you said that word.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Offensive and honestly traumatic are two different things though. And that case sickens me. It wasn't just a word to those guys, it was a funny thing to do to someone. And their is proof that they did actually commit the act. And it illustrates how damaging the flippant attitude towards it is, to the point that rapists are so protected. Society doesn't condemn people who treat it flippantly, so to too many it's just not a big deal.
I think world chat is part of that problem. It's just not world chat it is everywhere though.


There is a causal attitude towards it in society, unlike say to Hitler. The Holocaust is certainly more horrible, for example. But everyone knows its horrible. You don't here people thinking it would be a good idea to commit another Holocaust. Society doesn't want to protect the Hitlers of the world. Whereas 97% of all rapist never see a day in prison and jokes are made about it on tv. Entire towns will rally upon a rapist just because they can play football. It starts with awareness and with it being uncool in things like games and television. Including this game and this world chat.

However both words can easily be mingled. If you had a traumatic event, then it can be easy for you to be offended by the stimulus of the event if someone makes a joke out of it.

I think another example is the infamous F word, we are taught that its an offensive word, but its extremely widespread on the internet, but it offers context to one's comment/opinion more or less these days.

As for the R word, that too is gaining a different context, especially in gaming culture and really, any competitive one.

As for Hitler, it's been near 70 years now, and he's an internet meme at this point, just look at all the Hitler React vids on youtube despite the events of WWII. However, it was last year that a pastor wanted a concentration camp for **** and lesbians in North Carolina.


My main point is, as long as time goes on, contexts start to change, and what is offensive may not be consider offensive anymore and vice-versa. After all, that's how languages evolve.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

Unfortunately this hideous act is not something you can sweep under the rug or simply ignore. Anyone following world news will be aware of the recent debate in Indian society regarding the scandalous lack of protection provided women by the government, and of the circumstances of the particular case that triggered such debate and exposed a system that doomed a young woman, as well as countless others, to a most tragic death. It is important to discuss these issues and to create awareness, and while I certainly agree with the OP's sentiment, I must take some exception to the conclussion that sensibilities should be spared at what could also be the cost of becoming complicit through silence. It is my firm belief education is the most powerful of weapons against such evils. In the context of our community I do believe sensibilization is sorely needed, although it shouldn't follow that this necessarily results in abolition of this word's use. It is a complex issue.

The use of the term in gamer parlance does have deep psychological roots on instinctive behaviour and is no mere meme or passing fad. Primates have been demonstrated to assert superiority through the use of such symbolism and it is to be noted that in our subculture the prevalence of this idiom may point towards a separation of virtual spaces from more prevalent mores that may very well lead to what would otherwise be considered clearly antisocial behaviour. This is however very much the point to gaming, there are some who do argue against virtual violence for instance, and the issue of internet freedoms does arise in the permissiveness of online etiquette. I don't pretend to fully understand this phenomenon although I do think it merits discussion.

I can't say I agree with this being moved to off-topic, as this is something that certainly relates to just not gaming in general, but the dynamics in PW's very own community.

Lixija - Momaganon

[edit] removed my personal expieriece with sexual abuse cuz it brings back more bad memories than using this word as a joke

and srsly u get to see r/\pe scenes in tv shows and movies, why cry when see only a word in game(which is usually used as a joke or describing smth totally different).

Mimiroppu - Heavens Tear

I'm probably going to sound like an ***.

Scratch "probably". I'm going to sound like an ***.

There are so many horrid words going around on the Internet. You picked this one, why?

People steal, people commit hate crimes, people kill, people ****... These are all done on a daily basis. Humans are violent creatures. Just look at history and you'll see. Look at last month, alone! Did those children deserve to die? No.

Complaining about it on ONE MMO website means absolutely -nothing-. To me, all these people making topics about world chat, look terrible. In fact, you only draw attention to yourself(or your friend. whoever wants to forget said incident) and feed the scum of the Internet. If you honestly want something done, join a cause or an organization. It is a wonderful thing to actually help these victims for real, instead of QQing on a single MMO website. I've helped people in need and it is a good feeling, to know you've made a difference, no matter how small.

If you are unable to get past it, why not try to work harder to better yourself? Not everyone can be sensitive to your plight. Not everyone will be. Did you see some of the **** about the health insurance/birth control thing? I did.

You work hard. Otherwise, you live your life cowering in fear, because of text on a screen.


TL;DR, before someone gives me ****: I understand how bad it is. I just don't feel going out of your way to make a topic about it, here, is right. I feel real action is the way to go. Joining a charity or donating money. Striving to better yourself. Not complaining here, because immature people use the word ****, so often.

This is also if you really care and aren't some self-entitled jerk, OP.

BriarIce - Raging Tide

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

I do agree with you wholeheartedly. And I think the difference between not using the word, and every other word is obvious. You can't know what someone's personal trauma is so you can't censor everyday words like "flower," unless someone opens up to you about a personal trauma. But there are a lot of women and men out there who have been through this nightmare ordeal. Everyone knows this. You know it's going to cause problems for someone out there. 1 in 6 women in the US alone are victims of ****. A person is ***** in the world every 2 minutes. The chances are very, very, very high you're upsetting someone when you use it world chat. Whereas with the word flower, that is a much less widespread word and so the chances of you offending someone with it are smaller. You can't spend your whole life censored, but you can use a bit of sense when the problem is widespread. There is no point you can make that necessitates the word whereas if you're discussing cats, ofc Kittens would come up. Those words are far less likely to inflict trauma on someone, whereas by using the word **** you know it's going to and you just don't care because you can't solve everyone's problems. Just my opinion.

This. Comparing that to saying a word like 'kitten' just shows ignorance.

I do not like it either but the reality is that a lot of people on the interent do not care or are uneducated and ignorant.

Unfortunately I agree that people cannot be changed in a public forum. Especially if they do not want to. I try not to surround myself with such ignorant individuals but even that is difficult at times.

It is what it is.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

... As I can understand, I think that thread is way much more worse cause people say their personal stories (really explicit), statistics, while some people use it in game as joke.

I think people using that word as joke are ignorant and unfortunately if you try to explain to them they might just continue, but worse.

I think that someone that had a bad experience, that, a car accident, bullying, a handicap or etc... don't need a word to remember he had the bad experience.

I see that word everyday in the news, on internet, facebook and etc. Someone that had a bad experience and doesn't feel comfortable with a word should maybe avoid internet.

May I suggest that a mod to ask a GM if that word can be censored in game. There's less worse words that are censored in game.

I had bad experiences in my life and I don't need to see any word to be hurt or think about it.

I think a game forum is not the good place to talk about it, as I suggest it should maybe be discuss with a GM to censor the word, but I think that thread should be delete cause it's way much more worse than only see the word in game as a joke.

For people that had that bad experience or something else, don't keep it for you, go see a professional that can help you or a friends/family.

Lixija - Momaganon

BriarIce - Raging Tide wrote: »

This. Comparing that to saying a word like 'kitten' just shows ignorance.

you know that there is actually phobia from cats and some people probably have been more traumatized by a kitten than from a r/\pe?
i think this thread sooner or later gonna offend someone as people with different traumas appearantly shows ignorance lol
same as many people don't find word kitten offensive, many people won't find word r/\pe offensive and will continue to use it

if wanna do something about then ask gms to give us option in game to censor w/e words we want, instead of asking people to stop using it(it will never happen). Then we all can censor w/e words we want and not get offended in game.

this thread should be closed

Zanryu - Lothranis

God this thread is just seething with potential to troll it. For the good of the forum I shall resist. Please close this before the urge becomes too strong.

Mimiroppu - Heavens Tear

Lixija - Momaganon wrote: »

you know that there is actually phobia from cats and some people probably have been more traumatized by a kitten than from a r/\pe?
i think this thread sooner or later gonna offend someone as people with different traumas appearantly shows ignorance lol
same as many people don't find word kitten offensive, many people won't find word r/\pe offensive and will continue to use it

if wanna do something about then ask gms to give us option in game to censor w/e words we want, instead of asking people to stop using it(it will never happen). Then we all can censor w/e words we want and not get offended in game.

this thread should be closed

I could agree with this... If it were to go both ways. One could censor all bad language and uncensor everything. If SE can do it, so can PWCN. Heh...

This thread should have been depth'd instead of moved to off topic. It does not belong here and as I stated, is serious flame bait. I'd like to believe the OP is not someone who will push the issue and leave it alone. I guess we'll see.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

I agree whole-heartedly that it is a disgusting word and should not be used lightly.
That said it is pretty unrealistic to expect better from PWI players given the level of maturity in the game. Like most online games it is filled with immature teenagers whose idea of a sophisticated discussion includes "U MAD?!".

If you expect better from them you will be disappointed. Just keep your expectations very low if you want to keep your sanity.

I also dont think the word should be censored as that just makes people use any of the innumerable variations like r4pe rapee raape etc. That just makes it more infuriating looking in my opinion.

Alkrivar - Sanctuary

I fully understand the reasons for the OP making this, and why it shouldn't be treated as lightly as it is said, but it is unrealistic to expect people on the internet to have a consciousness for such things in society, especially the immature idiots of pwi.

But to start a fire publicly over the word is just as bad as the one saying said word in my opinion. Pwi isn't a kids game, it's 18+ so there are no grounds for censoring said words other than swearwords. I know the victims suffer for a long time after the said incident occurred, but this is human society. Victims should be helped when they can get it to be stronger. It's a good cause.

Trying to get immature people on an online game, who are hidden behind anonymity, to stop saying it, however, is not.

It's sad kids these days use the word as a meaning of dominance in competitive play, but it cannot be changed, society casualises it far worse in media. Start with there. Not a game.

All a victim can do is live on, fight the trauma just as veterans/ people with PTSD do. The Psychological damages are similar, but different traumas, though as bad as each other.

Veneir - Dreamweaver

I do notice the widespread use of this, along with other similar words prevalent in chit-chat among people as if it's some sort of 'fun' word or something weird like that/using it in tandem with boss killings/boss killed players, insertotheruseshere.
I can't say I'm in a group unaffected by it and have a kind of 'o.o.....>:......' (>: is a sadfais smilie, I just remembered some people apparentily think it's an angry face which is totally not what I was aiming for) reaction whenever I read over something that contains it, if my smilie demonstration makes any sense x3 ..but I manage through anyway and don't really say anything when it's used since it's not a huge deal in comparison to the confusion/etc reactions discussing it would cause to the people who don't relate/not worth it to mentally go over it that much. Etttcetera.

Eum... but people and language can't really be changed overnight. Maybe one day it'll end up less used in normal chat like how 'tight' got outdated or... whatever those other words were I don't even remember. xD I never used any of it myself so. Maybe that's unrealistic that it'd change like those other used-in-slang words.
I wonder... if it was censored out in game, would people stop to think of why it was censored and end up not using it, or would they just bypass the filter like all the other words?

Also I don't really think this deserves to be depthed because Amy posted with a sincere reason and it's not nonsense like a post full of ssss or something.

opkossy

As long as this doesn't turn into something stupid, it's not going to be depth'd.

It's a borderline thread that opens itself to easy potential trolling but was made sincerely and doesn't break any rules on its own and since you guys have kept things here civil so far, it's fine as is.

*goes back to ninja observation mode*

soundslegit

Ganked is a perfectly good word for describing being attacked by a vastly more powerful opponent. There is no reason to use the other word.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

I'm surprised people aren't offended by the word kill or killed if we are going down that path then.