Nation War, More than 20 vs 20
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Aiwana - Harshlands wrote: »Okei, let's build up some scenarios on the subject of random squads.....
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the whole random solo join nw is to make sure the system is balanced out..
i bet not two singel party will even be close on soulforce but if solo player it could be.
this is not tw where the best faction is against the rest and fail roll the rest cos of gear.
this is nw where each side have a fair shoot at victory ty to soulforce and diversity of players who dont acumulate based on preferance.
tw where i gona get face rolled no matter what i do vs the biggest wallet of players na ty.
we tried it and we all know how tw is for 99% of the player base that dont belong to the most strongest faction.
dont ruin nw make it more fun for everyone by making it solo based not party based.
and make a new channel for each side to make party inside the nw.0 -
Aiwana - Harshlands wrote: »Okei, let's build up some scenarios on the subject of random squads.
Why are you trying to make things more complicated. I (most of the time) enter nation war with a squad of r9s... but more often then not I would end up separated from my squad. And whenever I get the flag... in the 30-60ish seconds that it takes me to score all the other r9s on my team gravitate towards me. I was even protected by players who otherwise would like to see me dead. While all the r8s and below behave like chickens with their heads cut off.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
guess what...thats what really happenes....being in a squad allows u not to get that all the time.
u remember tt runs were u had to explain to every random ppl what to do? that is why u formed friends to farm with....that is why in NW i preffer to go with a squad that i know how to play with rather than teach or get angry with a powerlvled 1 shot try to take the flag wasting my time squishi
b:shocked*le gasp* You mean actually contributing to the community by helping to train other players? Nuuuu, everything but that...0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Why are you trying to make things more complicated. I (most of the time) enter nation war with a squad of r9s... but more often then not I would end up separated from my squad. And whenever I get the flag... in the 30-60ish seconds that it takes me to score all the other r9s on my team gravitate towards me. I was even protected by players who otherwise would like to see me dead. While all the r8s and below behave like chickens with their heads cut off.
This is what`s wrong with NW, squads FULL OF r9 that simply devastate any1 they face, thankfully it`s very hard for full squads to be even in the same battle, I call it pure greed, you want an easy mode to get massive amounts of tokens for relatively no effort, you have TW for squad play and tactics and you see how that is broken, unless the opposing faction has similarly geared players it`s even pointless to fight with someone who has way superior gear.
Randomness is what makes NW fun, you get noobs and u get decent players in your team, if you have a full team of elite players that can`t even be killed by average - geared players, it`s ****, and don`t forget it`s for players 60 + and even with their att/def bonuses they are easy to kill.[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=14516063001&dateline=1364756666[/SIGPIC] Ty Silvy
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Why are you trying to make things more complicated. I (most of the time) enter nation war with a squad of r9s... but more often then not I would end up separated from my squad. And whenever I get the flag... in the 30-60ish seconds that it takes me to score all the other r9s on my team gravitate towards me. I was even protected by players who otherwise would like to see me dead. While all the r8s and below behave like chickens with their heads cut off.
Spoken like a true elitist. I've seen a lot of R8 and lower players go to protect the flag carrier. The only problem is they usually get 1 shotted by R9's and dissapear back to respawn so you probably don't notice them.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sidwinder - Heavens Tear wrote: »Spoken like a true elitist. I've seen a lot of R8 and lower players go to protect the flag carrier. The only problem is they usually get 1 shotted by R9's and dissapear back to respawn so you probably don't notice them.
I guess I should also mention that my tt99 alt... who I play when my main is land locked can manage 50 tokens. My tt99 alt can also flag carry and score under 30 seconds... can you?1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I guess I should also mention that my tt99 alt... who I play when my main is land locked can manage 50 tokens. My tt99 alt can also flag carry and score under 30 seconds... can you?
Yeah actually I can manage a lot of tokens I got 59 in the last place nation land locked I've also gotten 166 or so the other few times and I never get the flag someone else always get's it first so I just try to protect them. Oh and I don't have R9 haven't pvped since before tideborn came out either. Anything else mr bada$$ since every post you seem to be so high on yourself. People acting like they are special on a pay to win game that's pretty rich if you ask me.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Nw balancing is ****, on sunday event in a war had a super barb r9+12 w jades and he had the r8recast wep with deff lvls he got flag and we all atacking nation tried to kill him but we just cudn't do it because we were about 15 ppl but no r9 dd's.He managed to win the war by himself this way.
I won't be a hypocrite and rage about this kind of things because i didn't even for a second expect anything else than this.PWE is way too predictible,if u were surprised by these things u should probably unistall and play solitaire.b:laugh0 -
Sidwinder - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeah actually I can manage a lot of tokens I got 59 in the last place nation land locked I've also gotten 166 or so the other few times and I never get the flag someone else always get's it first so I just try to protect them. Oh and I don't have R9 haven't pvped since before tideborn came out either. Anything else mr bada$$ since every post you seem to be so high on yourself. People acting like they are special on a pay to win game that's pretty rich if you ask me.
So you without r9... can score in under 30 seconds... and can catch r9 carriers... then whats the problem? With a 30 second immune run... no r9 can stop such a carrier. Why is anyone even complaining about nation war being not fair. My tt99 can score, you with whatever you have can score, my r9 can certainly score. Whats all the fuss about again?1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »So you without r9... can score in under 30 seconds... and can catch r9 carriers... then whats the problem? With a 30 second immune run... no r9 can stop such a carrier. Why is anyone even complaining about nation war being not fair. My tt99 can score, you with whatever you have can score, my r9 can certainly score. Whats all the fuss about again?
I'm not complaining about NW I'm just sick of seeing elitist people talk down to people with lesser gear like they can't do anything to help.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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_Syzzer - Sanctuary wrote: »Nw balancing is ****, on sunday event in a war had a super barb r9+12 w jades and he had the r8recast wep with deff lvls he got flag and we all atacking nation tried to kill him but we just cudn't do it because we were about 15 ppl but no r9 dd's.He managed to win the war by himself this way.
I won't be a hypocrite and rage about this kind of things because i didn't even for a second expect anything else than this.PWE is way too predictible,if u were surprised by these things u should probably unistall and play solitaire.b:laugh
Balanced nation assignment doesn't mean that you'll never run into that kind of situation. It means that if someone with his level of gear is on that nation, then there is someone with the same gear level in yours. If 4 rank 9 JOSD players enter separately, each of them will end up in a different nation. Because there is one in each nation, it is balanced. That doesn't mean having a certain gear will stop you from running into him though, he can move around on the map as freely as you do. You just have an equal chance of being in the winning nation as everyone else. Which counts for more than a personal battle anyway.0 -
_Syzzer - Sanctuary wrote: »Nw balancing is ****, on sunday event in a war had a super barb r9+12 w jades and he had the r8recast wep with deff lvls he got flag and we all atacking nation tried to kill him but we just cudn't do it because we were about 15 ppl but no r9 dd's.He managed to win the war by himself this way.
I won't be a hypocrite and rage about this kind of things because i didn't even for a second expect anything else than this.PWE is way too predictible,if u were surprised by these things u should probably unistall and play solitaire.b:laugh
i agree one barb like that is hard enough by itself but imagine the 10 best most op player in server cos they joined party all together.
i mean u cant do much about a singel r9 op barb but what u think of a full 10 player just like that.
if it was solo all of them would join random so they would end killing each other i would think that is more fair dont you.0 -
_Syzzer - Sanctuary wrote: »Nw balancing is ****, on sunday event in a war had a super barb r9+12 w jades and he had the r8recast wep with deff lvls he got flag and we all atacking nation tried to kill him but we just cudn't do it because we were about 15 ppl but no r9 dd's.He managed to win the war by himself this way.
This is a problem with your skills, not the gear. I've taken on 15-20 people solo and killed all of them, likewise I've taken on 2 people and died. Same gears.
As harsh as this sounds - but with by the way you typed this should be the easiest for you to understand: Less QQ, more Pew Pew, L2P.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
Sidwinder - Heavens Tear wrote: »I'm not complaining about NW I'm just sick of seeing elitist people talk down to people with lesser gear like they can't do anything to help.
I won't have anyone to talk down against if no one is complaining. And since you are not complaining... maybe you would like to share your tactics with those who are. Then... just maybe... they might stop complaining and actually be of use in nation war.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I won't have anyone to talk down against if no one is complaining. And since you are not complaining... maybe you would like to share your tactics with those who are. Then... just maybe... they might stop complaining and actually be of use in nation war.Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Why are you trying to make things more complicated. I (most of the time) enter nation war with a squad of r9s... but more often then not I would end up separated from my squad. And whenever I get the flag... in the 30-60ish seconds that it takes me to score all the other r9s on my team gravitate towards me. I was even protected by players who otherwise would like to see me dead. While all the r8s and below behave like chickens with their heads cut off.
Read the last line of your second quote. I doubt all the r8's and below were useless.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »This is a problem with your skills, not the gear. I've taken on 15-20 people solo and killed all of them, likewise I've taken on 2 people and died. Same gears.
As harsh as this sounds - but with by the way you typed this should be the easiest for you to understand: Less QQ, more Pew Pew, L2P.
I said i dont rage about that because i didn't have any other expectation but u are soo full of yourself that u can't even read a simple text.Next time u take the time calling someone fail u should probably read once more what the person said.
If u cant understand what i ment u should unistall and play pinball because solitaire will wear u out too much .b:bye0 -
Sidwinder - Heavens Tear wrote: »Read the last line of your second quote. I doubt all the r8's and below were useless.
If 9 out of 10 r8s are useless... then by all practical means... r8 in general are useless. There are useful r8s just like there are useless r9s... then again the majority of r9s are useful. If you want to rummage through all the trash and find me that single r8 who is useful. Lets just say... he won't be as useful when he see 9 of his r8 buddies sleeping on the floor.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
Pages goes by fast lol.
I'm not offended by differing opinions. I understand that in the end everyone have different form of enjoyment.
Anyway, I just wish to clarify that I am not assuming everyone is incompetent. Instead, I just wish to point out that it doesn't take a lot of people who are incompetent to render your nation landlocked. You can attack only 4 lands adjacent to your base. If only 60 out of the 300 or so people are incompetent, about 20% total and 15 per war, but just happens to get into the 4 wars adjacent to your base, then you guys can't do anything for a long time.Zsw -104 Sage Assassin
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Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »Anyway, I just wish to clarify that I am not assuming everyone is incompetent. Instead, I just wish to point out that it doesn't take a lot of people who are incompetent to render your nation landlocked. You can attack only 4 lands adjacent to your base. If only 60 out of the 300 or so people are incompetent, about 20% total and 15 per war, but just happens to get into the 4 wars adjacent to your base, then you guys can't do anything for a long time.
On the flip side... assume everyone is incompetent. This way you won't want to pull your hairs out some r8 walks the flag to the wrong capture point... guess they can't figure out what the big freaking red arrow is for.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »Pages goes by fast lol.
I'm not offended by differing opinions. I understand that in the end everyone have different form of enjoyment.
Anyway, I just wish to clarify that I am not assuming everyone is incompetent. Instead, I just wish to point out that it doesn't take a lot of people who are incompetent to render your nation landlocked. You can attack only 4 lands adjacent to your base. If only 60 out of the 300 or so people are incompetent, about 20% total and 15 per war, but just happens to get into the 4 wars adjacent to your base, then you guys can't do anything for a long time.
I can certainly see your point and it is very hard to organise even if you yourself are in a very good squad. Sometimes you will come out of a 20 min battle and find that the rest of your nation has lost a lot of the other lands and you find the map completely different with no where to go.
The randomising of people in to different nations is supposed to mitigate one weak nation but unfortunately there are times where 2 or 3 nations will focus on one nation. This is just one part of the game and different strategies and you need to take the good with the bad. The following week you could find yourself in the top nation and locking the other nations in the way they did to you the previous week.0 -
_Syzzer - Sanctuary wrote: »Nw balancing is ****, on sunday event in a war had a super barb r9+12 w jades and he had the r8recast wep with deff lvls he got flag and we all atacking nation tried to kill him but we just cudn't do it because we were about 15 ppl but no r9 dd's.He managed to win the war by himself this way.
I won't be a hypocrite and rage about this kind of things because i didn't even for a second expect anything else than this.PWE is way too predictible,if u were surprised by these things u should probably unistall and play solitaire.b:laugh_Syzzer - Sanctuary wrote: »I said i dont rage about that because i didn't have any other expectation but u are soo full of yourself that u can't even read a simple text.Next time u take the time calling someone fail u should probably read once more what the person said.
If u cant understand what i ment u should unistall and play pinball because solitaire will wear u out too much .b:bye
15 people, even level 80s with the NW buff should have taken out that Barb. No rocket science needed, not a whole lot of skill either - just cooperation and button mashing.
Stay in school and apply yourself. You're gonna need it if you blame your own problems on others.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »15 people, even level 80s with the NW buff should have taken out that Barb. No rocket science needed, not a whole lot of skill either - just cooperation and button mashing.
Stay in school and apply yourself. You're gonna need it if you blame your own problems on others.
Lets assume 40k hp on barb... you are expecting each of those 15 nubs to deal 2.6k damage each within a cooperative 10 seconds. Thats just asking for way too much.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Lets assume 40k hp on barb... you are expecting each of those 15 nubs to deal 2.6k damage each within a cooperative 10 seconds. Thats just asking for way too much.
Agreed a good geared barb with the right apo and appropriate skill is hard for any team to take down. With his logic a full 20 level 80's should be able to take me down easily while I'm carrying a flag. Trust me, level 100's have trouble doing so...0 -
SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »Agreed a good geared barb with the right apo and appropriate skill is hard for any team to take down. With his logic a full 20 level 80's should be able to take me down easily while I'm carrying a flag. Trust me, level 100's have trouble doing so...
I think you miss the sarcasm memo. The chance of 15 semi-intelligent players not being to take down a jade barb is extremely small. With 15 players... there is good chance there is a veno... and even higher chance of a bm... with almost an absolute guarantee of an archer. One sharp follow by a purge with a hf/amp... I really don't see how the barb can not go down. Then again... I have seem 6-7 100+ (some with visible r9 weapons) not being to take a unbuffed me down... so the key word here will be intelligent.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
b:chuckle my team alway try lock out other nation. take their land around the base.the survival of the fittest
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FayHumming - Dreamweaver wrote: »b:chuckle my team alway try lock out other nation. take their land around the base.
but but but.... thats just not fair!! b:cry
If you do that other people in other nations will be stuck in their base and their nation will be less effective! That means less reward for those who get stuck and hours spent staring at their map unable to get a battle!!!
Fuzzy thinks thats cheating and/or stealing rewards from other nations and/or glitching and/or ruining the fun for others!! How dare you!! b:angry0 -
but but but.... thats just not fair!! b:cry
If you do that other people in other nations will be stuck in their base and their nation will be less effective! That means less reward for those who get stuck and hours spent staring at their map unable to get a battle!!!
Fuzzy thinks thats cheating and/or stealing rewards from other nations and/or glitching and/or ruining the fun for others!! How dare you!! b:angry
b:chuckle call play smart, use of ur brain. more token for me b:byethe survival of the fittest
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Its very nice to see you all congratulating each other on how leet you are, but keep in mind that precisely because the better geared players can make a difference you also bear more of the responsability. Example; You're getting ganked by two nations, the more powerful squads and players need to cut a couple of swaths, the shortest possible route to the other two faction bases, in order to block the couple of territories facing your side. This accomplishes two things; First, it diverts the bulk of the players on those two nations towars figthing amongst each other and to head towards the fourth side, thus it thins out their war effort and lets them loose on **** for tat battles that come at no real gain. Second, you cut off and isolate the part of their force in the corner of the map and open up battlefields for your lower levels to fight on territories where the attackers will get no reinforcements, meaning attrition will effectively improve their chances.
Of course this means sacrifices, because you're not just moving to whatever territory is first available but competing for spots on those strategically important, meaning you may have to take a hit on your personal score in order to give the nation as a whole a fighting chance. Is it difficult to coordinate this, yes, especially as most methods you can use your rival will be listening on, and yes you'll have the frustration of perhaps losing a spot to a 6xer just randomly cklicking to get into a battle. But as we all become more experienced some people will eventaully catch up, for instance with what I know now I would drop a battle if I was told by a higher level theyre trying to get people from their squad in a territory I realize its important. NO ONE IS DOING THIS. The best you have right now is some squads and blocs starting strong, cutting swaths with no real purpose and then thining out and self destructing. We all need to start doing evaluations of our capabilities and selcting targets accordingly, but the responsability lies the heaviest on the better geared people. If you went in on a squad with 8-10 R9s (people who can, on their own, make much more of a difference than perhaps a handful of players my level) and you're all just trying to get in the same battle to faceroll it (instead of dividing in smaller effective teams) and are just trying to get in whatever territory you get to go in first (without a plan, without thinking ahead to which territories will open up, without coordination) then YOU really do bear the responsability for your nation losing, because YOU are more experienced and better geared, and YOU should know better.
Let's take the same 8-10 R9 players, who can coordinate amongst themselves trough faction chat or skype. They enter together then divide into functional units (say Barber, Archer, Cleric) and each of these units makes a squad with another 7-8randoms you pick up because you see they can perform or have decent gears. Now you have 3-4 10 man squads coordinating that can act towards strategic goals. Even if they dont all get in on the same battle you can divert them to where your friends are and pick the people squadding with your friends. Kick out the useless people, pick up new ones, select ever more efficient squads through the two hour war. If just a third of a competent faction is doing this, its enough of a difference to own the war amidst the current chaos, its bragging rights and a more complex, fun challenge. Esentially you're no longer running through the map like headless chickens.
But no, is much more easier to bash lowbies and undergeared people, and blame your own failure on them, than to try to take responsability and actually work to take the leadership roles your gears and levels should have earned you. Because its the people that can make a difference who are responsable, not the 6xer who's just trying to stay alive long enough to rack up some credits.0 -
but but but.... thats just not fair!! b:cry
If you do that other people in other nations will be stuck in their base and their nation will be less effective! That means less reward for those who get stuck and hours spent staring at their map unable to get a battle!!!
Fuzzy thinks thats cheating and/or stealing rewards from other nations and/or glitching and/or ruining the fun for others!! How dare you!! b:angry
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