2nd Cast Sling

Nurfed_You - Harshlands
Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
edited September 2011 in Archer
g15 sling, advanced seal, -.05 int, random add. how pro would this be for demon archers in open pvp?
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  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »
    g15 sling, advanced seal, -.05 int, random add. how pro would this be for demon archers in open pvp?

    Not much against rank9 full gear ;x

    Even though you will shoot fast against robes.. if they are full buff.. Your damage will get so dimish that most likely will give them time to react. Also no debuff on sling. Thats why sling is not the best way to go now... =/

    Maybe if rank9 didn't exist.. sling woulda be more viable than rite now.

    I just cant see archer without debuff that viable now :X


    Sling as a 2nd weapon would be nice though.. if you debuff with rank9/cv/nirvana bow. Then switch n proc QS easy kill on any robe... but i still think would be kinda dumb getting a 2nd cast nirvana if rank9 does more damage. =x
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I think she's more focused on the adv seal combine with high APS part.
  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    I think she's more focused on the adv seal combine with high APS part.

    Stun is probably a bit more useful.. than seal. Anyways.. i still refer to the same thing i was talking about.

    You cant compare rank9 full armor to nirvana sling with less than 60 atack lv.. (with blessing compare to just rank9 bow).


    Im not saying is trash.. is jut not as viable.. specially if your facing people full buff. Which is 80% of the time.

    Sure sling shot will probably kill robes self buff or people getting focus by 10 people.. Just like fleuri scenario of 99 weapon vs rank9.


    But overall debuffing = an easier kill than seal/stun.

    Compare difference of full buff rank9 with full defense lv shards against unbuff. =x
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Don't look at me o.o I wouldn't know. Just here clarifying.
  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Don't look at me o.o I wouldn't know. Just here clarifying.

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  • Okeanna - Harshlands
    Okeanna - Harshlands Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Or am I? O_o
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Mind = blown O_O
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »
    Stun is probably a bit more useful.. than seal. Anyways.. i still refer to the same thing i was talking about.

    unless the seal can refresh on an already sealed target.
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  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    unless the seal can refresh on an already sealed target.

    Person can wave at you walking away with your seal. Ijs not a fanatic of seal.

    Ask any mage how much they rage.. of not having a long range "stun"(Mountain dew/ulti takes to long to be consider viable as a quick cast interrupt..).. even though they have sleep.. takes a spark.
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  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »
    Person can wave at you walking away with your seal. Ijs not a fanatic of seal.

    Ask any mage how much they rage.. of not having a long range "stun"(Mountain dew/ulti takes to long to be consider viable as a quick cast interrupt..).. even though they have sleep.. takes a spark.

    lawl. Mountain Seize, and yeah your correct about it. sleep takes 20chi. the issue with sleep is it has a 20m range, so it isnt useful unless a target is right up on you/you get close enough to use it

    thx for the answers though, i understand what you mean about the seal proc not being worth it. Does anyone know what the advanced proc rate is, or the normal seal proc rate?
    if the advanced rate was more the 6/7% it would be pretty OP with hte number of shots you can fire during stun arrow/aim low. enough to keep a r9/or class from doing anything.
    Also it would be cool to mass seal ppl in tw with a barrage
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Lol Mountain dew... Is it weird I just call it Big *** Rock? b:chuckle
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Lol Mountain dew... Is it weird I just call it Big *** Rock? b:chuckle

    lmao I imagined it being a massive Mountain Dew can for a moment XD

    And agreed, Wiz needs a ranged stun that's useful. >_>
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  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »
    lawl. Mountain Seize, and yeah your correct about it. sleep takes 20chi. the issue with sleep is it has a 20m range, so it isnt useful unless a target is right up on you/you get close enough to use it

    thx for the answers though, i understand what you mean about the seal proc not being worth it. Does anyone know what the advanced proc rate is, or the normal seal proc rate?
    if the advanced rate was more the 6/7% it would be pretty OP with hte number of shots you can fire during stun arrow/aim low. enough to keep a r9/or class from doing anything.
    Also it would be cool to mass seal ppl in tw with a barrage

    I only lv a wizard to 20 like 3 years ago.. :< Forgot it was 20 chi. But.. yea i do remember it was short range compare to other skills.


    About the ratio.. Stalk Asterelle..

    I still prefer mass debuff than seal D:

    I fap when people gets debuff n die in seconds.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    At least Demon Wiz have Stone Rain and a pretty good chance to freeze with Hailstorm.

    @Nurfed
    but then you can mass debuff people with purge bow...

    As for trying to shut down a factor archer with seal, he can just run back out of range only to come back later. There is no way you can track someone in the chaos of TW. Now if he gets purged on the other hand, it's a much bigger problem for him even if he gets away.
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    At least Demon Wiz have Stone Rain and a pretty good chance to freeze with Hailstorm.

    @Nurfed
    but then you can mass debuff people with purge bow...

    As for trying to shut down a factor archer with seal, he can just run back out of range only to come back later. There is no way you can track someone in the chaos of TW. Now if he gets purged on the other hand, it's a much bigger problem for him even if he gets away.

    it sort of depends.

    If you're in an endgame, TW faction with 101-105's, and you only ever show up with 80 people to TW, and your opponent is always the same, 101's to 105's with 80 people, then yes, it's gonna be unmitigated chaos and impossible to track a single person like that.

    If you're in a 'rank B' TW faction, and there still are some around, this becomes possible.

    I'd rather have a GoF Bow than a purge bow. b:cry Or Gloom, even. There's way better procs than seal and purge, but purge isn't a bad proc at all. Seal is pretty useless though. Seal/Freeze is useful, and wouldn't be bad.
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Seal/Freeze is useful, and wouldn't be bad.

    Sounds like stun b:chuckle
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Frankly having Purge proc on someone fully buffed is sometimes as good as a GoF, but I hear GoF has more proc rate so.

    You can go from hitting 1000 on a fully buffed wiz to hitting 3000 when purge procs. It's really something else lol.
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  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
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    edited August 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

    You can go from hitting 1000 on a fully buffed wiz to hitting 3000 when purge procs. It's really something else lol.

    ^

    It doesnt matter if you get increase atack damage.. if its gonna get reduce by all the defense lv, pdef reduction, plume shell, earth shield, ep buff etc..........

    Sure.. unbuff vs unbuff someone with a Stun/seal/gloom would most likely **** the purge bow(if the damage is close btw weapons).


    Barrage hit everyone for 1-2k(Normals on good gear people) then purge.. and increase the damage an all by alot.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Purge happens after the damage is applied btw (so the initial attack never has any purge benefit).

    Also only a few skills can purge.. quickshot, barrage, blast, normal shot are the only ones I'm sure that can purge.
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  • MangoKisses - Raging Tide
    MangoKisses - Raging Tide Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I've had Lightning Strike purge too.
  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Purge happens after the damage is applied btw (so the initial attack never has any purge benefit).

    Also only a few skills can purge.. quickshot, barrage, blast, normal shot are the only ones I'm sure that can purge.

    pretty sure it works on most of the skills.. i had it work on lighting strike, fast take aim, aim low and sharptooth. (I really cant remember stun though lol)
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  • Ruvil - Sanctuary
    Ruvil - Sanctuary Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    somebody (not me!) should make a list of archer skills that can purge b:avoid

    im cursed instant take aim never works for me :<
  • Skippy - Dreamweaver
    Skippy - Dreamweaver Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    before rank 8 became on sale, and rank 9 became way to cheap.

    there was an archer on DW, who had a G15 sling, and that thing hitted so fast with demon QS that it would seal freakin a lot of times,

    sure purge bow is nice, but seal pretty much means you cant use skills, exept genie

    and lets be honest, regular purge proc rate is 5% vs a 10-15% seal proc rate

    i know what i would choose, and for all archers saying RANK9 RANK 9

    it is CHEAP, but not THAT cheap that everyone can order it on demand

    archer fights are same as sin fights anyway, a few shots and its over
  • Ruvil - Sanctuary
    Ruvil - Sanctuary Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    id pick purge over seal like picking dorbs over fashion
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Ruvil - Sanctuary wrote: »
    somebody (not me!) should make a list of archer skills that can purge b:avoid

    im cursed instant take aim never works for me :<
    Oooooh something to test,

    On a separate note, Fash>all b:avoid

    yes I can never manage to use my event points from demon/sage cards prudently. As in things like charms and refine aids, I always go crazy and get fash instead >.>
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Skippy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    before rank 8 became on sale, and rank 9 became way to cheap.

    there was an archer on DW, who had a G15 sling, and that thing hitted so fast with demon QS that it would seal freakin a lot of times,

    sure purge bow is nice, but seal pretty much means you cant use skills, exept genie

    and lets be honest, regular purge proc rate is 5% vs a 10-15% seal proc rate

    i know what i would choose, and for all archers saying RANK9 RANK 9

    it is CHEAP, but not THAT cheap that everyone can order it on demand

    archer fights are same as sin fights anyway, a few shots and its over

    R9 vs non-R9 is very SLOW...for the one without R9.

    You barely make 4 digits on a fully buffed Jade Sharded R9 under normal circumstances. I would know because I had a +12 2nd cast.
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  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    fashion.. its probably last good item in shop :o

    b:cute I had Nv bow and Nv sling (Friends/still use it). Damage wise wasnt such a big deal.. but i really couldnt kill people full buff with the sling.. Doesnt matter if it proc 10 times.. if the damage still to low to by pass charms.

    Bow just plain more amazing.. and I dont think seal proc.. is so much higher than purge.


    And about the Rank9 part..

    Its obvious the amount of defense lv the other person(WITH RANK9) will have against the sling with no atack lv.. will make a big difference.

    sure.. before rank9 ever exist.. Nv sling/bow were the best out there.. but now a Bow with atack lv 30, adv purge, -.1 interval, dex + hp.. Its obviously better.


    I believe.. the rank9 bow interval same as nirvana sling.. unless you get -.05 int. And that still if you get it.. cause i got stun 15 times on my bow.. and 1 time purge(maybe 3-4 intervals).
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  • truekossy
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    edited August 2011
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    yes I can never manage to use my event points from demon/sage cards prudently. As in things like charms and refine aids, I always go crazy and get fash instead >.>

    Whoa whoa whoa hold on a second.... you mean to tell me that there's been things other than fash to spend event gold on this whole time?!
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Best thing it gives is Silver charms and refine aids (TK, tisha stones)

    With Tishas you can refine to at least +7 fairly consistently with no D orbs.

    Silver charms are small but a couple can last you through a long TW. Plus they are not dependent on gold prices, so while people ******* about how high charms were I never even noticed lol. All I did was kill some mobs and did some events.
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Skippy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    before rank 8 became on sale, and rank 9 became way to cheap.

    there was an archer on DW, who had a G15 sling, and that thing hitted so fast with demon QS that it would seal freakin a lot of times,

    sure purge bow is nice, but seal pretty much means you cant use skills, exept genie

    and lets be honest, regular purge proc rate is 5% vs a 10-15% seal proc rate

    i know what i would choose, and for all archers saying RANK9 RANK 9

    it is CHEAP, but not THAT cheap that everyone can order it on demand

    archer fights are same as sin fights anyway, a few shots and its over

    Except he was sage, unless we're thinking of different people.
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