[POLL] Drop use of Chienkuns for +10-12 Refines?

hanfknolle

Got a G13 Nirvana but you +10/12 it already?
Now you want get a G15 and transfer refines? but the cost of Chienkun's is so high!

Before you vote- Read this.

Many Sins / Bms running with G13 Claws and Daggers (Or TT100 Fist but that not count)
For find a Nirvana run peoples want Good Weapons+4-5 aps hard to find squad without it.
Lets say you got a G13 Wepon +10. You are atleast 4 Aps and you doing as many Nirvanas you can in 2x Drop but instead of Wasting coins in G15 cause it's to expensive you spend on other things like Armor Refining for a couple of 100's Hp. Would you change your mind when Refining Tranfer would be cheaper?

i mean even r8 and u get r9 later would helpful to transfer for cheaper

Let me know your opinion in this POLL.

Mendolin - Sanctuary

why would you +10/+12 G13 Nirvana and not think of these things? these are things you should be thinking of BEFORE you even recast.

chienkuns should stay as is...

LittlePony - Dreamweaver

On my own I think Chienkuns shoul be cheaper so refine transfer would make a sense. But price of it depends on our crazy economy\gold price and cant be lowered down

hanfknolle

Well find a nirvana squad without a good wepon all to say b:surrender

most looking 4-5 aps thats first fact second fact is they want high dp's alot peoples running r8 and g13+10 i bet these peoples want to transfer but at this prices... b:infuriatedb:infuriated

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

They really just need more sales on chienkun. Without a sale I don't think it is not really worth using chienkun transferring.

hanfknolle

Even with Chienkun Sale they should drop it 70% then it might be fair but still alot b:pleased


The Peoples that dont care about that (Seeing as a Neutral Vote have already there R9 / G15 i think)

schrotttonne

Lower quantity or cheaper i vote for first

krittycat

The entire idea most of you don't understand is we were never (PWI as a whole) even supposed to have these on this server. They were requested so much that the PWE team gave in and asked China to give them to us. The fact that we even have them is a courtesy of the PWE team, and complaining about the price of them doesn't come across as grateful. Look at it this way... were things as intended, you would have to refine from squat on that weapon, with chances to fail and all (unless you purchase the Dragon Orbs necessary).

That's the way I choose to look at it, flame me about it if you will.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Chiens are a joke atm. The price of using them is nearly, if not more expensive than plain out refining your gear from scratch.

If anything they're insulting. Another thing implemented without any thought behind it...

Tolliver - Dreamweaver

KrittyCat wrote: »

The entire idea most of you don't understand is we were never (PWI as a whole) even supposed to have these on this server. They were requested so much that the PWE team gave in and asked China to give them to us. The fact that we even have them is a courtesy of the PWE team, and complaining about the price of them doesn't come across as grateful. Look at it this way... were things as intended, you would have to refine from squat on that weapon, with chances to fail and all (unless you purchase the Dragon Orbs necessary).

That's the way I choose to look at it, flame me about it if you will.

If we were never supposed to have them why was there a NPC option to use them from day one?

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

KrittyCat wrote: »

The entire idea most of you don't understand is we were never (PWI as a whole) even supposed to have these on this server. They were requested so much that the PWE team gave in and asked China to give them to us. The fact that we even have them is a courtesy of the PWE team, and complaining about the price of them doesn't come across as grateful. Look at it this way... were things as intended, you would have to refine from squat on that weapon, with chances to fail and all (unless you purchase the Dragon Orbs necessary).

That's the way I choose to look at it, flame me about it if you will.

I'm greatful for them.

That said, I will only be +6ing my G13, same with R8. Which ever I decide to keep, I will +10, unless I take the plunge and go with G15 or G16, in which case, that will get +10.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

KrittyCat wrote: »

The entire idea most of you don't understand is we were never (PWI as a whole) even supposed to have these on this server. They were requested so much that the PWE team gave in and asked China to give them to us. The fact that we even have them is a courtesy of the PWE team, and complaining about the price of them doesn't come across as grateful. Look at it this way... were things as intended, you would have to refine from squat on that weapon, with chances to fail and all (unless you purchase the Dragon Orbs necessary).

That's the way I choose to look at it, flame me about it if you will.

/facepalm

The reason they didn't want to implement them is so that they would make more money. On the CN servers, they're the same price as Tishas. That makes sense when you look at the non-NV requirements for refining transfer. Of course PWI doesn't want people to transfer any refines other than on G13/G15, which is why our version has a lower requirement to transfer G13/G15 than the CN servers as well.

It's all about greed. Pure and simple.

And you're wrong too. It's not that PWE caved in because people asked. It's because it was implemented in Nirvana forges and all of a sudden we were being penalized because we couldn't use a feature that was implemented because we didn't have the stones.

The original requirement for G13/G15 transfer should go into effect and their price should be the same as Tishas. Then refining transfer would be more common. PWI would lose out on orb sales though.

Nice of you to MAKE UP a story out of thin air to explain it. :P

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Um...

Transferring a +10 Refine on a G13 weapon costs 178 Chienkuns. That comes to 80.1 Gold on-sale.

On-sale, refining from +0 to +10 with Dragon Orbs will cost you 100.05 Gold.

At least it's better than not having them at all.

And yes, they pretty much put them in after cash shoppers made their +10 Lunar or TT99s into Nirvana and lost said refines and complained. I remember one notorious Sanctuary cash shopper who even made a video and demanded a refund. And as far as I remember, he actually got it.

Obviously, one reason for refine transfer being so expensive is to make sure people refine things multiple times, which is good money for PWE.

hanfknolle

Bump b:bye

Nyxyo - Harshlands

u didn't asked for anything ..you were supposed to have them in first place but since they were viable refine at normal price you guys chose to cut them off...

and you were forced to put them in game because of nirvana upgrade feature..and even then u increase price so much until transfer refine option is not worth

so ty for nothing

CheetahWoods - Raging Tide

i think the price or even no transfer at all are both fair.

if you max refining/shards, whatever "building" of a less than endgame piece of gear, you should know going in, that you are wasting all that since you will grow out of it.

why would you not research your final goal and aim for that?

Aizza - Harshlands

Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »

why would you +10/+12 G13 Nirvana and not think of these things? these are things you should be thinking of BEFORE you even recast.

chienkuns should stay as is...

Some of us do not have foresight.

I made my marital arts helm +10 then made a Nirvana helm - and even with a sale on - cost me $180 to move those refines...

I guess I paid for my not thinking but owie... that much?

hanfknolle

another bump for all those got g13 / r8 +10 weps and want to transfer to g15 r9

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

Well... I can tell you that at those Chienkun prices there is no chance in hell I'm going to transfer the +12 refines on my Regicides to G15 any time soon. Yes in hind sight it was silly to refine a G13 weapon so high. But what's done is done. I can farm Nirvana/TT/whatever better than 95% of the BMs out there with what I have now. There is virtually zero incentive for me to spend the 500 gold or whatever the hell it will come to convert to G15 just so that I can make my BM a better damage dealer (better to just join the cool kids and invest that money in a Sin. b:surrender ).

hanfknolle

another bump compared to chinese price's pwi is really over priced.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

How about plan ahead and decide what will be your end-game instead of refining something that you will just throw away later?

Don't compare CN pwi prices to ours since there's a huge income difference between the two.

Nyany_ - Dreamweaver

The one over me got already r9 i think.. nothing to say b:bye

hanfknolle

not bad at all till now


35 say yes
11 want them cheaper
7 say its fine as it is
16 dont care about and not count.

46 (Positive Votes)
7 Negative

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

/facepalm

The reason they didn't want to implement them is so that they would make more money. On the CN servers, they're the same price as Tishas. That makes sense when you look at the non-NV requirements for refining transfer. Of course PWI doesn't want people to transfer any refines other than on G13/G15, which is why our version has a lower requirement to transfer G13/G15 than the CN servers as well.

It's all about greed. Pure and simple.

And you're wrong too. It's not that PWE caved in because people asked. It's because it was implemented in Nirvana forges and all of a sudden we were being penalized because we couldn't use a feature that was implemented because we didn't have the stones.

The original requirement for G13/G15 transfer should go into effect and their price should be the same as Tishas. Then refining transfer would be more common. PWI would lose out on orb sales though.

Nice of you to MAKE UP a story out of thin air to explain it. :P

You are absolutely right,

Mosz - Heavens Tear

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »

How about plan ahead and decide what will be your end-game instead of refining something that you will just throw away later?

Don't compare CN pwi prices to ours since there's a huge income difference between the two.

ok so are you guaranteeing me there will be no stronger weapon then warsoul/r9 ever on PW? or are you going to tell us when next gear will be released so we can plan ahead? also don't forget to mention if itll be implemented as farmable and if itll be in boutique for 10% the cost later

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Um...

Transferring a +10 Refine on a G13 weapon costs 178 Chienkuns. That comes to 80.1 Gold on-sale.

That's AFTER they lowered the requirement at the NV forges.

hanfknolle

bump +1count b:pleased

Razorburn - Dreamweaver

Atleast some of the sins who refined thier g13's very high did so before rank 9 was a real alternative. Of course on the other hand some of us already had high rank before the first rank sale too....talk about a kick in the gut from greedy company...

JuFranz - Raging Tide

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »

How about plan ahead and decide what will be your end-game instead of refining something that you will just throw away later?

How can i not refine my Deicide as high as i can afford?

How can i even farm in nirvana if people are asking for high refine weapons nowadays?

b:surrender

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ok so are you guaranteeing me there will be no stronger weapon then warsoul/r9 ever on PW? or are you going to tell us when next gear will be released so we can plan ahead? also don't forget to mention if itll be implemented as farmable and if itll be in boutique for 10% the cost later

Nothing is guaranteed and it isn't even about that. It's what you perceive as end-game goal and save your resources to refine the gear that you have planned to get. Most of the people foolishly went all out on refines and now they're regretting it. It's bad planning. If you know the gear you have on isn't what you want to have at what you perceive as "end-game" then don't refine it to the extreme.

JuFranz - Raging Tide wrote: »

How can i not refine my Deicide as high as i can afford?

How can i even farm in nirvana if people are asking for high refine weapons nowadays?

b:surrender

Farm what you need then sell the claws. Or did you not plan ahead and bound it?

You can't transfer refines from r8 to r9 since the source gear's item level has to be greater than the recipient's item level (according to the refine transfer npc). Nirvana is obviously an exception.

JuFranz - Raging Tide

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »

Farm what you need then sell the claws. Or did you not plan ahead and bound it?

b:victory True, this was my plan and yes it was not bound.

b:laugh hope chienkuns would really drop price