Multi-Clienting Rule Changes

cewoo1

KrittyCat wrote: »

That right there is the kicker. This isn't your game, and you don't make the rules.

Do you think you're telling me something I don't aready know? What do you think you are trying to accomplish by telling me what I have already said?

KrittyCat wrote: »

Your only obligation is to follow the rules as set forth by the owners (and thus, rulemakers) of the game.

If that is true, then what is the point of this forum? Why is this a sticky thread?

KrittyCat wrote: »

The rules changed. Therefore, we as players must adapt to those changes.

Without expressing concern when those changes impact on our previously legal playing style?

If you choose to respond, remember that I only multilogged to finish off an alts failed BH, or for when there was a valid need to multilog. It's not like I was power levelling alts to brag about how awesome I am. I only played this game for entertainment. Not to try and prove something.

KrittyCat wrote: »

[Anyone remember when we got that untranslated bot-check question accidentally? I wouldn't mind a translated version being implemented in our version.

Yes. That would be preferable to this rediculous rule.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you don't realize that the change gave to some people and took away from others.

The alternative is to presume that you are, indeed a spoiled brat, with an "I got what I want, so **** everyone else" attitude.

I applaud the change that allows us to multi-client - it's the *new* limitation on simultaneous logins that has some people mad, and the "ban first, ask later" statement that has others concerned. Remember, these are people who have up to this point playing by the rules and in a fashion which was not only permitted by the game rules but also (in some cases) encouraged by PWI staff.

Let's say that you use this opportunity to spark up a second account, spend time and money to build up the second account so that you have a well-performing duo. And then PW releases a patch that prevents multi-clienting again. I'm guessing you'd be the first person to jump on the QQ Bus.

Me personally, though, I'm expecting a "Third Account" stone in a cash shop near you pretty soon....

Someone hasn't bin through annyone else I said huh... I'll just awnser the rest quickly since it's late...

1. I do realize and I do feel sorry for some of them but a QQ rage will not help especialy while complaining about the ENTIRE rule meaning multi clienting has to go away again while there where lot's of topips begging for an explanation why we weren't allowed to in the 1st place... Talk about the actual thing that botters you instead and try to convice the ones in charge instead to moddify the rule to everyones liking...

2. Yes I'm also woried (I play togetter with mom in this home) but I don't think they'll act up that strict... Haven't had problems so far multi-clienting with 2 ppl in 1 house and don't heard of anyone who did now so I think it'll be ok... You mostly have to do something suspicious before the GM's will start doubting you I guess...

3. Yeah it would suck... But with all the complaining going around right now I'm expecting the rule soon that everyone can only have one client on at the same time for both clienting and boxing and ignore any complains about that just to get rid of it... Wouldn't that be an achievement... b:chuckle If they take multi-client away again I'll just do the same as I did before the new rule... Log in once a week or when someone wants to chat with me (socialising is healthy for me mom always says) and just go play my Final Fantasy games and do other stuff... The multiclienting only actualy made me play a bit more but personaly I can live without this game as I have plenty of others... Not much use to keep complaining no matter how much it sucks... Luckely I don't spent actual money on my characters so...

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Someone hasn't bin through annyone else I said huh... I'll just awnser the rest quickly since it's late...

1. I do realize and I do feel sorry for some of them but a QQ rage will not help especialy while complaining about the ENTIRE rule meaning multi clienting has to go away again while there where lot's of topips begging for an explanation why we weren't allowed to in the 1st place... Talk about the actual thing that botters you instead and try to convice the ones in charge instead to moddify the rule to everyones liking...

2. Yes I'm also woried (I play togetter with mom in this home) but I don't think they'll act up that strict... Haven't had problems so far multi-clienting with 2 ppl in 1 house and don't heard of anyone who did now so I think it'll be ok... You mostly have to do something suspicious before the GM's will start doubting you I guess...

3. Yeah it would suck... But with all the complaining going around right now I'm expecting the rule soon that everyone can only have one client on at the same time for both clienting and boxing and ignore any complains about that just to get rid of it... Wouldn't that be an achievement... b:chuckle If they take multi-client away again I'll just do the same as I did before the new rule... Log in once a week or when someone wants to chat with me (socialising is healthy for me mom always says) and just go play my Final Fantasy games and do other stuff... The multiclienting only actualy made me play a bit more but personaly I can live without this game as I have plenty of others... Not much use to keep complaining no matter how much it sucks... Luckely I don't spent actual money on my characters so...

Only thing I care to respond to at this point is that I don't think I've seen a single post complaining about them adding the multi-clienting. The only complaint I've seen in this thread is the 2-account restriction. Oh, and a bunch of self-absorbed *******s saying "I'm fine with two accounts, so nobody should have more than that".

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

Noted... So then we can all agree on they fact that the multiclienting thing is a good thing so that everyone can enjoy using more characters on the same time and not just the ones multiboxing...

Now moving on to the restriction issue then... Like I said complaining won't help much... And even though I'm fine with just 2 I don't actualy mind if others will be able to use some more... So the best thing you can probably do right now is try to find out what will be the right amount to restrict it to and gatter votes... After that try to get a GM's attention to look into it and see if you can get them to agree with you... Make sure that you and lot's of other ppl that might agree put a lot of good reasons in their posts for it too... A lot of ppl accomplished the multiclienting rule (after working our buts of doing each character seperately for 2 years b:angry) by giving good arguements about it so it might just work for you too...

Escorian - Dreamweaver

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Only thing I care to respond to at this point is that I don't think I've seen a single post complaining about them adding the multi-clienting. The only complaint I've seen in this thread is the 2-account restriction. Oh, and a bunch of self-absorbed *******s saying "I'm fine with two accounts, so nobody should have more than that".

quit crying about only being able to use 2 chars so what if you geared 2 different chars on 2 diferent accounts. if they make a rule that says i cant dual log again you know what i will do? i will stop dual logging like i was before they made this rule. i wont complain cause i can still use both chars just not at the same time.

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And even though I'm fine with just 2 I don't actualy mind if others will be able to use some more...

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Having 2 characters online at the same time is a good amount and it works for everyone even those who only are able to use one pc (not everyone is as lucky as FiDollaYou)... On any game I've played I never had the urge of playing more then 2 characters at one time and I think that goes for a lot of ppl... How the heck are you planning to control 4 characters annyway? Using 2 and put the others on follow 'till they're 100 and brag about how pro they are? In some way it takes away the purpose of "playing" with your characters... Just be happy for the 1-pc ppl that they can also enjoy multiclienting now and quit complaining.

"There is nothing constant in this world but inconsistency." - Jonathan Swift

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

quit crying about only being able to use 2 chars so what if you geared 2 different chars on 2 diferent accounts. if they make a rule that says i cant dual log again you know what i will do? i will stop dual logging like i was before they made this rule. i wont complain cause i can still use both chars just not at the same time.

Well good for you. But it'd probably be the first thing I've seen that you didn't complain about, so... call me unconvinced.

Escorian - Dreamweaver

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

"There is nothing constant in this world but inconsistency." - Jonathan Swift

if your willing to quote someone then you should be willing to follow that quote which means you shouldnt complain that the multi client rule has been changed since you shoulda been prepared for it b:bye

Escorian - Dreamweaver

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well good for you. But it'd probably be the first thing I've seen that you didn't complain about, so... call me unconvinced.

lol really what do i normally complain about? i have seen more qq then i have put out in my 2 years playing this game.

edit: Woot 1.5k posts.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol really what do i normally complain about? i have seen more qq then i have put out in my 2 years playing this game.

edit: Woot 1.5k posts.

Grats on your posts... b:victory

You look like you're pretty smart so maybe you can tell me... Will there be a chance I can have a decent conversation with these ppl and be able to convince them that the world hasn't gone to ruin yet or am I just wasting my time here and be better of to just give up on them? :question

Escorian - Dreamweaver

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Grats on your posts... b:victory

You look like you're pretty smart so maybe you can tell me... Will there be a chance I can have a decent conversation with these ppl and be able to convince them that the world hasn't gone to ruin yet or am I just wasting my time here and be better of to just give up on them? :question

if your talking about the players complaining about multi clienting more then 2 clients then yes give up while you can because these people sometimes get too stupid to even argue correctly Q_Q sometimes its just blah blah blah your a noob im right your wrong.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if your talking about the players complaining about multi clienting more then 2 clients then yes give up while you can because these people sometimes get too stupid to even argue correctly Q_Q sometimes its just blah blah blah your a noob im right your wrong.

I see... Good thing I asked... Well then I'm off enjoying the game as it is now... Good luck complaining everyone... b:thanks

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol really what do i normally complain about?

These things

Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i have seen more qq then i have put out in my 2 years playing this game.

So, all of the countless other users of this forum combined to complain more than you personally. And you consider that an accomplishment. Okay.

Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if your talking about the players complaining about multi clienting more then 2 clients then yes give up while you can because these people sometimes get too stupid to even argue correctly Q_Q sometimes its just blah blah blah your a noob im right your wrong.

I've yet to see a reasonable argument advanced as to why a two account limit is a good thing. In fact, even PWI staff have yet to do so. I have, however, seen numerous well-crafted arguments presented detailing why and how either the limitation or the way PWI staff plan to enforce it can and will "hurt" players - either by forcing them to change their playstyle or through unjustified bans.

Or have you suddenly become a True Believer, and trust that everything PWE does is good and wise?

JugalateJudy - Dreamweaver

why did u keep this thread sticky so much time -.-''''' but delete the medals thread? ,,some dq changes" was sticky too, but u removed it. but keep this one for so long tho.... we wont forget, bring the medals! b:shutup

krittycat

JugalateJudy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

why did u keep this thread sticky so much time -.-''''' but delete the medals thread? ,,some dq changes" was sticky too, but u removed it. but keep this one for so long tho.... we wont forget, bring the medals! b:shutup

I would assume that the reasoning behind this sepcific thread staying stickied is the potential for banning if people don't know the rules. The DQ thread was unstickied (not deleted) because the effect is not as great, meaning people will not have any possibility of being banned due to those changes.

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Can we get 2 catshops?

anna130230666

What ever my sister still does that.b:quiet i will stop her b:laugh

Escorian - Dreamweaver

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Can we get 2 catshops?

you can have 2 clients running at 1 time no matter how many comps you have. so that = 2 chars no matter what they are doing.

Jinemon - Lost City

• You may only have 2 accounts per person, regardless of how many computers you own.
  
  There isn't a viable reason to create an excessive number of accounts, so any suspicious activity from now on will be fully dealt with. We aren't going to punish you for having existing accounts prior to this rule, but you can only be online on two at once at the most.
  
  *Note: Excessive account creation has been and will continued to be pursued. Provided you did not abuse this before, you should have nothing to worry about.
  
  
  So if im on a shared wireless router, I cant play LAN style with my friends and family cause you will think I have multiple accounts online?

ZAPATON - Sanctuary

Jinemon - Lost City wrote: »

So if im on a shared wireless router, I cant play LAN style with my friends and family cause you will think I have multiple accounts online?

If you can prove you are multiple people... you can.

Now the question is... is it ban first, ask later? or ask first, ban later? b:question

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

ZAPATON - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you can prove you are multiple people... you can.

Now the question is... is it ban first, ask later? or ask first, ban later? b:question

why would they bother asking when they can simply ban and have you open a support ticket?

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

ZAPATON - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you can prove you are multiple people... you can.

Now the question is... is it ban first, ask later? or ask first, ban later? b:question

Per Frankie, it's "Ban first, ask later".

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey guys, we realize that you're concerned with exactly how you would have to prove what situation your particular household has for multiple people playing. The proof would be done on a case-by-case basis, depending on how the GM team decides to move forward with the situation.

If you are suspected of running more than 2 clients as a sole person, your account(s) will be temp banned, at which point our GM team will be in contact with you about your next step.

According to the GM team, basically the more suspicious your activity with multiple accounts is, the more likely it is that they'll have to get in contact with you. They do suggest that the different members of your household register their accounts with accurate information, as opposed to, say, making 6 accounts all under the same name.

This is one of the things that has people complaining about the way the new rule was implemented. Whether or not you agree that two is the proper number to allow, banning first is almost always the wrong way to handle it.

ZAPATON - Sanctuary

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

why would they bother asking when they can simply ban and have you open a support ticket?

Now if only they would charge for every support ticket...

Oh no I'm giving them ideas! b:shutup

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

frankieraye wrote: »

• You may only have 2 accounts per person, regardless of how many computers you own.
  
  There isn't a viable reason to create an excessive number of accounts, so any suspicious activity from now on will be fully dealt with. We aren't going to punish you for having existing accounts prior to this rule, but you can only be online on two at once at the most.
  

Three, four, five accounts is hardly "excessive", and you are punishing the multi-boxers for having more than 2 accounts for years by threatening to ban them if they try to multi-box as they used to do. How is that punishing them? Because they can no longer play in the same manner they used to, and they are basically losing the ability to play some of their characters due to them being on the other accounts.

*Note: Excessive account creation has been and will continued to be pursued. Provided you did not abuse this before, you should have nothing to worry about.

Abuse what? Making accounts so you could multi-box 3-5 characters at once? That's hardly excessive or abusive, and yet PWI is punishing them now, after the fact, after saying for years it was perfectly acceptable.

[*]You may only play on two characters at the same time, but they can both level up OR one can level up while the other is a vendor alt.

If you want to keep one leveling account and one vendor alt account, that's fine. You cannot, however, actively level two characters while having a third account to act as a shop alt. We will be actively enforcing this.

This new policy is in effect starting now, however, we will continue to refine and improve upon this, so this policy is subject to change. Read on for examples that may specifically deal with your situation.

The new policy after years of saying "it's perfectly acceptable" to multi-box, and suddenly deciding that a playstyle PWI said was acceptable is no longer acceptable is two-faced, shady and simply wrong. If it wasn't an unacceptable playstyle before, there is no way it should be now.


All I read in that is PWI is trying valiantly to back-up a policy that flies directly in the face of what they've told the player-base for years: that multi-boxing was an acceptable playstyle.

KrittyCat wrote: »

That right there is the kicker. This isn't your game, and you don't make the rules. Your only obligation is to follow the rules as set forth by the owners (and thus, rulemakers) of the game.

The rules changed. Therefore, we as players must adapt to those changes.

They reversed their position after years of saying it was fine. It's like saying one thing, and then suddenly slapping you for doing what they said was fine. That isn't acceptable.

Trump - Raging Tide

ok so ban first, chat a month down the road. and they will handle the situation depending on the circumstances. Hm shared router +2comps, and me and my gf playing is gonna =a no no... to sum it up <.< that sucks. Im still wondering how do they expect us to "prove" its 2 ppl playing instead one, take a ****** picture? o.o b:surrenderb:laugh

ZAPATON - Sanctuary

Trump - Raging Tide wrote: »

ok so ban first, chat a month down the road. and they will handle the situation depending on the circumstances. Hm shared router +2comps, and me and my gf playing is gonna =a no no... to sum it up <.< that sucks. Im still wondering how do they expect us to "prove" its 2 ppl playing instead one, take a ****** picture? o.o b:surrenderb:laugh

You must swear on your wallet. Golden credit cards get better results tho.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

2. Yes I'm also woried (I play togetter with mom in this home) but I don't think they'll act up that strict... Haven't had problems so far multi-clienting with 2 ppl in 1 house and don't heard of anyone who did now so I think it'll be ok... You mostly have to do something suspicious before the GM's will start doubting you I guess...

Someone posted on the forums that he and his brother got banned even thought it was two of them and not one person playing. Has it begun?

Yulk_owns - Lost City

I have like more than 10 accounts, lost count... Is that bad? What's next? Cube of fate teleport will be bannable because you cannot fix a problem about abusers in the entrance? Looks like PWE made a mistake once again.

I must have missed a lot... what happened? O_O

I usually play this game with my sister and my daughter, that really sucks that I can't play with more than 1 family members anymore?

krittycat

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Someone posted on the forums that he and his brother got banned even thought it was two of them and not one person playing. Has it begun?

He also posted the names of the characters banned, and one of the names probably fell under the "inappropriate name" clause of the ToS.

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

I have like more than 10 accounts, lost count... Is that bad? I usually play this game with my sister and my daughter, that really sucks that I can't play with more than 1 family members anymore?

Having more than 2 accounts previous to the rule change is fine. It is the excessive creation of accounts past that which is being monitored.

And you can still play with each member of your family, with up to 2 accounts per person.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

KrittyCat wrote: »

He also posted the names of the characters banned, and one of the names probably fell under the "inappropriate name" clause of the ToS.

I'd be amused if they took action on that, since I've seen someone run around with swearing in their name, and others with nasty expressions, for months now. They've been ticketed. PWI doesn't care.