Fist/Claw : Barb or BM?

Cy_clone - Heavens Tear
Cy_clone - Heavens Tear Posts: 164 Arc User
edited December 2010 in General Discussion
I figured i'll ask this here.
I've heard arguments on both sides (demon BM and Barb) with BMs having Fist Mastery and Barbs having higher HP + Demon Onslaught/Poison Fang.
So what do you guys think?
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  • Naivety - Harshlands
    Naivety - Harshlands Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Go for Axes, they show more skill, style and nowadays, originality.

    Fists are for losers no matter what class they are, but if you must, BMs because they are the only class that gets a damn mastery.
  • Dakuken - Dreamweaver
    Dakuken - Dreamweaver Posts: 196 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I prefer Blademasters.

    We have stuns, we have sprints, and we have great survivabilty in almost any given situation. I'll admit that Barbs have amazing HP and I'm actually rather envious of it but, meh, Blademasters just have so much more to them.

    Since you're assuming both are Demon.. then you definitely want a Blademaster, we can put out some insane spike damage at end game (Demon GS cancelling anyone?) and have very powerful stunlock. That, combined with great survivability and a multipath build makes us a force to be reckoned with.

    (And I say multi path because if you're going with fists, then you're obviously using that.. and if you only use fists and nothing else.. you're going to die. A LOT.) >.>
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Depends on what you want to do.

    If you just want to farm TT/Nirvana then go for barb IMO. Higher HP per vit, higher constant move speed, poison fang makes up for the damage loss by not having a mastery, and you will place in top 5 for Celestial tiger event way more often. Plus you never have to worry about running around all day looking for barb buffs and if you're willing to risk it you can glitch tiger form with claws to get the extra 30% hp and the 80% pdef from shapeshifting intensity.

    At the same time you're limiting yourself a bit, the loss in HP from the lack of vit will make PvP more difficult although that is somewhat offset by the extra crit and accuracy you gain. I enjoy having 20% base crit + 2% from wep mastery + 35% from demon onslaught. Delta will be difficult if you aren't immediately able to get high refines + vit stones.

    If you want to PvP and delta a lot then I would say go with the BM.

    So for pure PvE then I'd say go with the barb, really the only thing that BMs have in PvE that I'm a bit jealous of is the marrows, for PvP go with BM.



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  • HappysHAIL - Harshlands
    HappysHAIL - Harshlands Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The hardest thing about playing a fist barb in PVP is no one stands still. Without having the stuns afforded to a BM you're relying on chance to keep someone stationary long enough to punch them down. The lack of skills (stuns, anti-stuns, sprint, mastery, and marrows) makes BMs a naturally better choice for PVP. I will say, however, the one thing that really helps barbs PVP wise is having solid shield. On a high str genie built for occult you can look at around 75% damage reduction.. its really nice for when getting ganked or tanking the mass rank 8/sin rush.

    HP / Dmg wise.. the barb with a higher base HP pool can stat pure strength and do comparable damage to a BM with mastery statted pure vit. The BM still does more but its not much of a difference. Im sure someone who likes math can prove it if really needed. Of course, if you never PVP and just want a bot to punch things HP doesnt matter past a certain point. In that case a strength BM will always win the damage contest.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Be original.... go 5aps sin.... oh wait. b:bye
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »
    Fists are for losers no matter what class they are, but if you must, BMs because they are the only class that gets a damn mastery.

    Well a long time ago, Archers were main DD's needed in dungeons cuz rarely fist bms and had like 4 5.0 peeps each server. But now there are about 50 5.0 toons in each server and Archers would only be good for hp debuff.
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    the rare 5.0 barbs are totally wanted in farming squads
    they dont only deal loads of damage and can tank
    they come along with a attack buff and hp buff xd


    though u cant know now if further updates limit classes to weapons or nerf aps or both



    i personally think Fist-barb is the best farming-alt
    but then again its cheaper to build a squishie dex class towards 5.0
    and i hate to play barb (eg: lvl it up and gear it up)
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  • Bulleteye - Raging Tide
    Bulleteye - Raging Tide Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I totally agree with: Dakuken, but it's up to you if you want to pick Blademaster or Barbarian.
  • Cy_clone - Heavens Tear
    Cy_clone - Heavens Tear Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Thanks for the input guys.
    From what i gathered, its leaning towards Barb for more PVE based situations and BM for a better PVE/PVP balance. Also, where is it said that weapons were going to be class limited in future?
  • Allisandre - Sanctuary
    Allisandre - Sanctuary Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Yeah don't go fist-barb. In 2-3 months you'll get screwed when fist/claw is BM only weap.
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  • Dakuken - Dreamweaver
    Dakuken - Dreamweaver Posts: 196 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yeah don't go fist-barb. In 2-3 months you'll get screwed when fist/claw is BM only weap.

    It'll be pretty damn funny if they actually implement this, since so many Archers and Barbs I know will be so SCREWED xD Ah.. TT100 fists, gotta love 'em
  • MistaBwanden - Sanctuary
    MistaBwanden - Sanctuary Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Cy_clone - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Thanks for the input guys.
    From what i gathered, its leaning towards Barb for more PVE based situations and BM for a better PVE/PVP balance. Also, where is it said that weapons were going to be class limited in future?

    It's a rumor.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    My friend heard from some guy that in PW-CN they actually ended up making claws archer-only. Poor BMs...
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  • NightRage - Raging Tide
    NightRage - Raging Tide Posts: 1,582 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    My friend heard from some guy that in PW-CN they actually ended up making claws archer-only. Poor BMs...

    That's actually hilarious. All the QQBMs that only wanted it to be for BMs, lololoololololol.
  • Berserker_ - Dreamweaver
    Berserker_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 366 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    5 APS cleric.... nuff said
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