Demon until 99..opinions?

LeiMai - Raging Tide

I've wanted to go sage from the start, but now a few friends have said they are doing Demon until 99, then switching to Sage. Looking at the skills, I think the only 89 skill I'd really want would be Wolf Emblem, and everything else is just kind of...eh. Anything good seems to come at 99.

Has anyone done this, and how did it work out? Are there drawbacks, or is Sage spark effective in PvE? I only know one Sage sin I think...they are pretty uncommon on RT. I will have 1.82aps from gear at 90.

Just want some opinions from people who have done this/are planning to do this/planned then changed their mind for whatever reason.

Typhyse - Sanctuary

Eh, I was considering doing this until I discovered 2 things:

1) Just how awesome Demonic Eruption is.
2) Celestial Conversion is at level 100 and requires an item costing 10 gold.

The really only thing I wanted Sage for was Bloodpaint and SE, but the APS boost of Demonic Eruption makes up for Sage BP and also self purges like Sage SE.
Now, Demon Rib Strike, Knife Throw, Subsea, and HH have my eye. b:dirty

Empu - Sanctuary

I went sage for several reasons. Like you the good skills that made me choose sage are all lvl99, but still went sage from the start. Honestly, going demon then change culti at 99 seems a great waste of coins considering the 10 gold item you need. You could just as well pump those 10 gold in hypers and run fcc like mad for like 10 days to rush up to 99.

To answer your last questions a bit, sage spark is good in pve. Ofc, demon spark is better, since sin is a DD class. I don't think anyone goes sage on sin for the sage spark lol (well I think sage spark + sage bp will be great togather) But not want to start another topic on which is better, for me both culties can be great and I suppose you already know all the comparisons :P

Btw if you go sage from the start, slipstream strike is really worth getting, and wolf emblem ofc. Also make sure you got a high magic genie with lvl1 wind shield. In fcc on aoe-ing mobs, I think sage does better (I often aggro a lot so like sage spark), on bosses however you won't deal as much damage as a demon sin with equal gear. And be prepaired for the usual "omg you're sage?! you're so dumb".

Olbaze - Sanctuary

LeiMai - Raging Tide wrote: »

I've wanted to go sage from the start, but now a few friends have said they are doing Demon until 99, then switching to Sage. Looking at the skills, I think the only 89 skill I'd really want would be Wolf Emblem, and everything else is just kind of...eh. Anything good seems to come at 99.

Doing Demon until 99 is kinda silly, since you get access to permaspark as Demon on 99.

Just want some opinions from people who have done this/are planning to do this/planned then changed their mind for whatever reason.

Right now, I am at a point where leveling further has little meaning in terms of gains. Instead, I'm currently focusing on funding my merchanting. If I were to go to 89 right now, I'd go Sage. Reason for going Sage for me is primarily that Sage gives the sin better defenses and even without Demon Spark, sins are still some of the best DDs out there, as my lvl 80 sin has much more DPS than my lvl 92 Archer.

However, depending on how well my merchanting goes, I might go Demon. The reason being that with Demon, I could equip Gorenox Vanity and spark to 4 aps on 99 without a tome, or 5 aps with Deicide. With that, I'd eventually get Pan Gu, Creator, Nirvana leggings and Barrier Thorn: Nirvana, meaning 5 aps.

Basically, going Demon is better if you know that you can get 4-5 aps as a Demon.

_Spot_ - Lost City

Ill probably hit 89 today or tomorrow, and i still dont know it QQ.........

OMG the dilema im in b:cry

Derressh - Dreamweaver

For the most part, the skills for sage are better than demon, imo.

So if you want aps, go demon.
If you're not too worried about aps, and like the skills better, go sage.

Typhyse - Sanctuary

Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »

For the most part, the skills for sage are better than demon, imo.

So if you want aps, go demon.
If you're not too worried about aps, and like the skills better, go sage.

+1 Well said.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Doing Demon until 99 is kinda silly, since you get access to permaspark as Demon on 99.

Then again, wouldn't it be a bad idea to go sage at 100 if you only had 2 aps unsparked? Getting to Nirvana squads would be easier with 2.86 aps than with 2/2.22.

Of course joining Nirvana squads won't be hard with sage either if you got sage BP, but you'd still need high aps.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Then again, wouldn't it be a bad idea to go sage at 100 if you only had 2 aps unsparked? Getting to Nirvana squads would be easier with 2.86 aps than with 2/2.22.

2 APS unsparked at 99 is really, really pathetic. You can get up to 2.5 APS unsparked at 99.

And that was kinda my point. Doing Demon until 99 doesn't make much sense since you get most of your crucial -interval on 99 and 100.

I can see why you would want to switch to Sage on 99 for the 99 skills, but that's only applicable if you already have the money to buy the skills or already have the skills. And quite frankly, money doesn't depend on cultivation.

Of course joining Nirvana squads won't be hard with sage either if you got sage BP, but you'd still need high aps.

Personally, on 99, Sage BP will be one of the first things I'll get. Simply because it's useful in squads and out of them. The only problem with the skills is that their availability is rather bad. Luckily, you can get some of the important skills from the 300 Advanced Mystical Page trade: Dagger Devotion, Bloodpaint, Rising Dragon Strike, Deaden Nerves and Shadow Escape. Out of those, only Deaden Nerves and Shadow Escape require any explanation at all: Deaden Nerves gives extended duration, which means that you can have it on 83% of the time. Shadow Escape works as a self purify in squads where you can freely switch aggro to another member.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

2 APS unsparked at 99 is really, really pathetic. You can get up to 2.5 APS unsparked at 99.

And that was kinda my point. Doing Demon until 99 doesn't make much sense since you get most of your crucial -interval on 99 and 100.

I can see why you would want to switch to Sage on 99 for the 99 skills, but that's only applicable if you already have the money to buy the skills or already have the skills. And quite frankly, money doesn't depend on cultivation.

Yes, it is pathetic. Then again, it's pretty much my goal at 99/100 for my sin and BM. Getting it is completely another thing; for BM that would cost at least 15m for weapon, 8m for bracers and 40m for cape (unless I go for TM69 cape). Sin would be even more expensive: 4m for weapon, 20m for bracers, 40m for cape and 20m for boots.

If I ever wanted to go sage, I'd do so when I could reach 4-5 aps with claws or at least 2.86 aps base (maybe 2.5 aps) with daggers.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Personally, on 99, Sage BP will be one of the first things I'll get. Simply because it's useful in squads and out of them. The only problem with the skills is that their availability is rather bad. Luckily, you can get some of the important skills from the 300 Advanced Mystical Page trade: Dagger Devotion, Bloodpaint, Rising Dragon Strike, Deaden Nerves and Shadow Escape. Out of those, only Deaden Nerves and Shadow Escape require any explanation at all: Deaden Nerves gives extended duration, which means that you can have it on 83% of the time. Shadow Escape works as a self purify in squads where you can freely switch aggro to another member.

Yes, if you got Sage BP you would be able to join most high aps squads because then they might be able to pull it off without a cleric. I guess anyone would take a 2.86 base aps sin over a cleric anyway.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

If I ever wanted to go sage, I'd do so when I could reach 4-5 aps with claws or at least 2.86 aps base (maybe 2.5 aps) with daggers.

Reaching 4 aps with claws means 2.5 aps with Hook and Thorn, assuming that you got a Deicide.

Yes, if you got Sage BP you would be able to join most high aps squads because then they might be able to pull it off without a cleric. I guess anyone would take a 2.86 base aps sin over a cleric anyway.

The thing is, getting 2.86 aps without Nirvana dagger or leggings would mean having both Rank 8 and Pan Gu, Creator.

If you cannot get Rank 8 nor Pan Gu, Creator, then you max out at 2.22 aps pre-Nirvana.

Well, I suppose trying to tell a squad that you'd do Nirvanas to get your Nirvana stuffs like any normal person will be met with "do it somewhere else, you'll just slow us down!"

And personally, if I do get Sage BP, I'll do so by getting the 300 Advanced Mystical Page batch, which will also give me Dagger Devotion and Rising Dragon Strike, two pretty key skills in pushing the DPS even higher.

Well, I suppose I am lucky in the way that I have a 92 Archer on the same account, so if I find myself not getting accepted to Nirvana squads, I can always level my Archer to 100, since he's Demon and on the same account as my sin.

_Spot_ - Lost City

Dont go sage really dont ..

When u get demon spark and you see all the power you can have jezz just roll demon...