Advice for endgame build please! Pro BM only!

Delmarte - Lost City
Delmarte - Lost City Posts: 216 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Blademaster
This is my "endgame" build, since lv 100 seems ridiculous to me. As it is it's gonna take months to reach this goal, even if I make an alternate veno to harvest the money for me:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2e49afdf797ff2cd

Sidearm will be Lion King Axes:
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14825
Yep, I'll have to go 1 grade lower than lv 90 weapons because I was originally gonna be a single path vit build before seeing the value of multipathing (this was a while ago >.<), and so didn't add enough strength soon enough. Now I'm going Axe/Polearm and don't wanna buy a reset note. I will not be using them in PvP, only in PvE, meaning I prefer the bulkiness and survivability over berserk and spike damage. Polearm is my main PvP weapon.

Where my build was 2 levels ago.
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=70ceaf35d9835559

One thing that concerns me is that if I achieve this, compared to where I was recently, my evasion will actually go DOWN! It might be worth it with the spectacular damage increase, but even that involves Sage Polearm mastery, so by lv 90 my damage will NOT be much higher right away, since Polearm mastery is learned at lv 92. And I'll be running .4 meters/second slower!

I'd still say by this point I'll be stronger than I was before, but the difference doesn't seem like much. Am I doing something wrong? Should I assume dramatic refines as well? Will making money be magically easier at lv 90+?

Should I quit PWI because I suck? b:cry

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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well, I can't say that I'm a Pro BM, but I know that your 92 build seems mediocore. Armors are fine, so are the rings/belt/necklace. Refines and shards could be better, I'd aim at flawless citrines and skip the helmet + cape unless you already have those. Something along these lines: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9ae7134606077aa4
    100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
    pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.
  • Michael - Harshlands
    Michael - Harshlands Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    hmm your choices of gear are quite suboptimal for a BM build, dual misties are ok but coupled with your average dex you dont actually get a large amount of accuracy.

    You need both magic defence belt and amulet for pvping, so ditch the sky demons for HH90 mdef neck and till you get HH90 use a equine talisman. You will actually find leveling after 90 easier than leveling to 90 (WQ, Cube both get a massive bump to exp gained).

    The helm you chose is a large expense for very small gains, keep an aqua viciousness helm and 4 socket it with the coins you save, plus out all your gears to +4 at a minimum and on average you will have 3 sockets on 90 gear so use that in your calculations, always flawless shard your gears at a minimum (200k per gem is nothing), changing your wrist boots to the hh90 gold will give you the set bonus and a small interval increase for normal attacks (DDing on bosses or even while fighting 1v1).

    I would look into a better tome, also consider the dragonlance for level 90 its zerk effect will help you alot in pvp.

    This would be the bare minimum to consider yourself ready for 9x pvp even level 100 magic users will have a hard time bringing you down without really well refined weapons and you will be able to pvp ok vs most classes.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=fa2d87beac7df461

    This would be my prefered setup for a pole BM at 92 (note at 95+ so many more options become available for pole BM's to become even more powerful)
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=61c782da2f847985
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Also, it is possible to get really cheap refines at the right times with the arch elder. Every so often, his chance to refine boosts. For me, I've found that +3 is the best I can reasonably get with armor, +2 with weapons or ornaments. Others have reported better successes, I've just consistently failed trying to raise higher than those numbers on a general basis.

    Have a good amount of mirage ahead of time. Talk to arch elder and give him an armor to refine. If it doesn't succeed in the first two tries, stop and come back a different time. If it succeeds, try for a +2. If it fails twice, stop and come back later. Trying for +3 has the same rule; if he is in lucky mode you will get +3 refine in two tries. If not, he isn't lucky and come back later.

    For general idea, on different occasions I've had 2 armor pieces refined +3 with only mirage celestones and no orbs. Anytime I've tried going beyond, I lose refines and don't get passed it. For ornaments, I've only managed +2 just like with weaponry.

    Keep in mind this is in general, so any post about I got one weapon +x really doesn't count for much.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    hmm your choices of gear are quite suboptimal for a BM build, dual misties are ok but coupled with your average dex you dont actually get a large amount of accuracy.

    You need both magic defence belt and amulet for pvping, so ditch the sky demons for HH90 mdef neck and till you get HH90 use a equine talisman. You will actually find leveling after 90 easier than leveling to 90 (WQ, Cube both get a massive bump to exp gained).

    The helm you chose is a large expense for very small gains, keep an aqua viciousness helm and 4 socket it with the coins you save, plus out all your gears to +4 at a minimum and on average you will have 3 sockets on 90 gear so use that in your calculations, always flawless shard your gears at a minimum (200k per gem is nothing), changing your wrist boots to the hh90 gold will give you the set bonus and a small interval increase for normal attacks (DDing on bosses or even while fighting 1v1).

    I would look into a better tome, also consider the dragonlance for level 90 its zerk effect will help you alot in pvp.

    This would be the bare minimum to consider yourself ready for 9x pvp even level 100 magic users will have a hard time bringing you down without really well refined weapons and you will be able to pvp ok vs most classes.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=fa2d87beac7df461

    This would be my prefered setup for a pole BM at 92 (note at 95+ so many more options become available for pole BM's to become even more powerful)
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=61c782da2f847985

    Great suggestion, but if the OP is having hard time to get the money for his suggestion, I doubt he will ever get your build done. The zerg pole is good, but it's gold and since he already has a gold pole, he needs to start all over with that. 4 soc Helm of Aqua is fine, but I don't kinda understand the cape. It isn't exactly cheap, and any high grade 4 soc cape should do fine. About +4 refines; I doubt the OP has enough money for that. If the D. orbs are 85k each, it would take around 2.5m coins to refine one item to +4. Make that at least 5 times (wep + 4 armor pieces), and you get the total price. Add there the cape and helmet, maybe also the neck/belt... Better start grinding.
    100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
    pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.
  • Delmarte - Lost City
    Delmarte - Lost City Posts: 216 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    b:shy

    You guys were a huge help! But I'm not done yet.

    Ok, you've made me realize that some of my gear was gonna drive me insane with the difficulty level in making. So I made some changes. I've eliminated mantle of the ghost lord (worth 15 mil) and replaced it with cape of tauren chieften (9 mil). I've also eliminated that helmet (15 mil also) and I've decided to keep what I have already (free), but replace its shards with better ones and refine it more.

    However, I'll be adding a new expensive item, HH90 Gold Elemental necklace.

    Overall cost reduced by 6 mil at least.

    Overall, this is much less likely to drive me insane. Almost no one has that cape and helmet anyway. There must be a reason for that. b:chuckle

    I've also taken into consideration the idea of refining to +4 and using all flawless shards and 3 sockets each... are you people trying to kill me?!

    Fine. Done. b:cry
    (The actual odds of getting 3 sockets for everything are not that good, but some will come out that way.)

    Ok, here's my new build.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4199191e652a166f


    On of the ones recommended to me for a comparison.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=fa2d87beac7df461

    The old plan
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2e49afdf797ff2cd

    Level 84
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=70ceaf35d9835559


    The new plan, with its major cost savings, will let me get those shards and refine better (cancels out). It has better HP, mp, and mdef than the old one. Other stuff will suffer but only slightly. And compared to the recommended version, it's mdef is slightly better and, if I'm correct, overall is much cheaper.

    Yep, you guys have saved my butt and some stress!
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  • shootingstarvn
    shootingstarvn Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    cape of tauran is 3-4 sock , also get 4 sock pirate helmet
  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I wouldn't waste money/mirages to +4 your misties since the pdef gain is minor. If you stay at 85 for a while, you can farm enough imacs in Gamma for your armor.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I wouldn't waste money/mirages to +4 your misties since the pdef gain is minor. If you stay at 85 for a while, you can farm enough imacs in Gamma for your armor.

    Yeah, I'd remove the +4 from misties too. Leave them to +1, that's enough. Other than that, you are fine.
    100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
    pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.
  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I don't see the point in Helm of Aqua or Pirate, they seem pretty mediocre, especially at 9x. You'd be better off going for a nice 3* one or OHT. I'm still using a lv81 3 socket 3* npc (bonus 105hp, 200 phys res, 300 water res) until I can afford and level enough for lunar. It gives more HP than aqua/pirate and the bonuses are actually useful.
  • Steopie - Heavens Tear
    Steopie - Heavens Tear Posts: 576 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    If youre gonna 'endgame' at 90, you'd mayaswell invest in TT90 gold rings and helmet, theyre so much better than everything else available.

    If you wanna go for pole, look into the FF gold poleblade as an alternative to the TT90 one. I guess its personal preference.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ab6fba637bf05b7f

    is a tidy bm, no skills, refines or shards added. Theres room for variation, depending on how you wanna go.


    Though be warned, at level 90, bh exp increases and you may find that you level quicker than you expect to do so.

    Try to weigh the benefits up. Do you go for something slightly more expensive? or spend the spare money you have on further refines. You show reasonable appreciation as to how to build a bm, so its your call on how high you want to aim. If you dont aim for it, you'll probably never achieve it =p
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  • Delmarte - Lost City
    Delmarte - Lost City Posts: 216 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'm still lamenting the loss in evasion and speed. Oh wells.

    I compared my new plan with my old one, assuming the old one had better refines.

    New http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4199191e652a166f
    Old http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4199191e652a166f

    The new one still has better elemental defense, although at the cost of everything else.

    If I buy a new, fully refined helmet of pirate with 4 sockets and stones for about 3 mil, then I'm still saving myself about 7 mil since the more expensive helmet would have cost like 10 mil at least. And I'm basically trading an expensive cape for an expensive necklace, so no difference there.

    Also by telling me not to refine the misties you saved me quite a bit. The damage reduction difference would have been 2%, so not a huge deal.

    The TT90 Gold is a very interesting alternative I admit, but the cost is just too much. My weapon and that necklace will be hard enough to get. I'm even counting on the enhanced money making abilities of lv 90+ just to get the rest of this stuff. lol

    (And maybe put that exp into getting genie to 90 and hope 62/80 turns into 71/90 so I can use another skill. b:surrender Spirit I need for sage skills.)

    Sheesh, I gotta say, I was honestly considering quitting PWI and playing Silkroad or something. b:bye

    I've never been "endgame" in any RPG EVER! I got to lv 50-something in Rune-scape. lol

    Oh well, I'm not here to discuss other RPGs (since that could get my post removed if I continue), I'm just saying, getting to the top is brutal, especially considering games are supposed to be fun. I gotta know your secret. lol
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  • _Grim_Reaper - Harshlands
    _Grim_Reaper - Harshlands Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    don't worry about your evasion, evasion in perfect is non existent except for a fully buffed 9x archer, haven'ting 2k evasion or 1k evasion will make very little difference to how often someone will hit you.