Demon/Sage IH - What you prefer?

Rabid_Cleric - Harshlands
Rabid_Cleric - Harshlands Posts: 57 Arc User
edited February 2010 in General Discussion
Ive seen many threads concerning this, but its usually discussed between clerics only.

But since being a cleric is mostly about helping and being useful for others, i want to know what you, the other classes, would prefer - Sage Ironheart or Demon Ironheart.

○Ironheart Blessing
Range 28.0meters
Mana 400.0
Channel 1.0 second
Cast 1.0 second
Cooldown 1.0 second
Bless the target to recover 1200 HP plus 35%
of your base magic attack and 300 MP over 15 seconds.

Demon version also recovers 300 MP over 15 seconds.

Sage version recovers an additional 10% more HP.
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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rabid_Cleric - Harshlands wrote: »
    ...

    Demon version also recovers 300 MP over 15 seconds.

    Sage version recovers an additional 10% more HP.

    As Clerics are healers, then I think, that Sage version is better.

    Mana recovery is problem of alive character, to be alive he/she must be healed.
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    sage version allows even the wimpiest charmless barb tank AE. my old guild mate has it on his cleric and it works wonders.
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  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    As Clerics are healers, then I think, that Sage version is better.

    Mana recovery is problem of alive character, to be alive he/she must be healed.

    I couldnt agree more with this statement lol
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    sage version allows even the wimpiest charmless barb tank AE. my old guild mate has it on his cleric and it works wonders.

    you know your a real failure, fail archer. fail. A barb's charm shouldn't tick with a cleric unless its a fail barb, I never need 1 single charm if I have a cleric or even a healing wizard around. All I got to say to you is, delete your char, uninstall and quit.

    @ the OP, it doesn't matter, up to you. IMO both of them are good. No more MP pots needed, sage, best all around survival against tough bosses

    @wafflechan again I forgot, I use powders still, and *cough* sometimes I don't even need charms to tank without healer, like Farren Serenity and Calcid... you just fail hard
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  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    you know your a real failure, fail archer. fail. A barb's charm shouldn't tick with a cleric unless its a fail barb, I never need 1 single charm if I have a cleric or even a healing wizard around. All I got to say to you is, delete your char, uninstall and quit.

    @ the OP, it doesn't matter, up to you. IMO both of them are good. No more MP pots needed, sage, best all around survival against tough bosses

    @wafflechan again I forgot, I use powders still, and *cough* sometimes I don't even need charms to tank without healer, like Farren Serenity and Calcid... you just fail hard

    uhm, dood.....Farren Serenity and Calcid are NOTHING compared to Ancient Evil (AE) in 2-3.

    NOTHING.

    And Id love to see you tank AE with a wizard healing or no cleric at all. Pls submit a youtube video for our enjoyment. kthnxbai
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sage is far better for healing HP. The fact that a demon cleric can help fill up another player's MP bar is cool and all (helpful for mitigating MP drain on, say, Belial, if their puris are slow.. getting their mp up so the barb can FR and tear aggro back), but other people's MP is not a cleric's responsibility nor should a cleric be worried about it.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well... being selfish.
    1200HP +35% of your magic attack is going to be my entire HP pool on a single cast. So I'd like the mana, please.

    But I think the tigers might prefer the hitpoints.
  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I think demon is more beneficial to other players. The health it heals is good enough anyway and doesn't really need to be increased, if you can't keep the person alive with demon IH chances are they just aren't good enough.

    Btw look what i found http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=626022 b:chuckle.
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  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=626022
    Bah got ninjaed
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Well... being selfish.
    1200HP +35% of your magic attack is going to be my entire HP pool on a single cast. So I'd like the mana, please.

    But I think the tigers might prefer the hitpoints.
    I think the tigers might also be the general target for a cleric's ironheart. You get the wellspring surge I'm sure in 90%+ of heals (not counting bb).
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I think demon is more beneficial to other players. The health it heals is good enough anyway and doesn't really need to be increased, if you can't keep the person alive with demon IH chances are they just aren't good enough.

    Btw look what i found http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=626022 b:chuckle.
    Doesn't need to be increased? Wrong. Any boost to HP healing is a huge deal for a cleric, whether it be grinding **** in heaven or hell, or healing a tank for FB99s, WB's, BH's, and whatnot. The rationale you gave sounds like someone going demon and downplaying heals to try to justify their choice.
  • Rillien - Heavens Tear
    Rillien - Heavens Tear Posts: 569 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sage compliments a support build; if you are full vit you will naturally heal less than full mag, and this will help close the gap [maybe even completely]. So you can keep your survivability and have a better heal. That's the best use for it, imo.
  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Doesn't need to be increased? Wrong. Any boost to HP healing is a huge deal for a cleric, whether it be grinding **** in heaven or hell, or healing a tank for FB99s, WB's, BH's, and whatnot. The rationale you gave sounds like someone going demon and downplaying heals to try to justify their choice.

    It's personal choice depending on playstyle and personal preference. I prefer demon IH (when i get it) and it will help alot of people, you prefer sage IH and im sure it helps just as many people. Neither is better and neither is worse. Majority prefer demon though (See here http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=626022).
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It's personal choice depending on playstyle and personal preference. I prefer demon IH (when i get it) and it will help alot of people, you prefer sage IH and im sure it helps just as many people. Neither is better and neither is worse. Majority prefer demon though (See here http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=626022).
    For tank healing, which is the primary role of a cleric, rest assured, sage's is stronger, as a dead barb doesn't need his mp. However, demon IH isn't bad by any means, but the thread you pointed out has a bunch of classes other than a cleric pointing out they like the demon IH so they don't have to use mp pots. If you think a cleric is responsible for other people's mp pool, then power to you, however, for the role of healing and not babysitting mp, sage's is substantially better. There are demon skills which are, vice versa, substantially better and more beneficial than a sage's (demon puri and stream, for example). IH is not one of those, especially when a cleric is healing their own self.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    you know your a real failure, fail archer. fail. A barb's charm shouldn't tick with a cleric unless its a fail barb, I never need 1 single charm if I have a cleric or even a healing wizard around. All I got to say to you is, delete your char, uninstall and quit.

    @ the OP, it doesn't matter, up to you. IMO both of them are good. No more MP pots needed, sage, best all around survival against tough bosses

    @wafflechan again I forgot, I use powders still, and *cough* sometimes I don't even need charms to tank without healer, like Farren Serenity and Calcid... you just fail hard

    aren't you the same guy that says he only has a 5x char... and that light armor is best for pvp.
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  • Euphy - Dreamweaver
    Euphy - Dreamweaver Posts: 495 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I actually had this exact thread already... General consensus is that Demon Ironheart is preferable. If you want to see for yourself: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=626022. I think it is important to note that a full magic cleric with Ironheart lv.10 should be able heal you through any boss in the game. Most clerics don't have an advanced version, because its rare and expensive. In either case, both Demon and Sage heal considerably more. The Sage heals even more on top of that, which makes the spell incredibly powerful. However, the effect is not by any means necessary. Just as the mana recovery effect of the demonic version is not by any means necessary. Both are useful bonuses.

    The idea that a support-build (NOT support cleric, but a cleric that uses Vitality in their build) would prefer Sage makes sense. They need to compensate for their lowered healing power. A full-magic cleric may not see that as a priority and be confident in there ability to keep their tanks alive. So instead they could opt for an additional means of support. I want to highlight that neither is inherently better then the other, and both support tanks. Demon Ironheart may be more versatile, but Sage Ironheart can compliment low-magic builds.

    ____________ Sorry this post annoyed me...
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Doesn't need to be increased? Wrong. Any boost to HP healing is a huge deal for a cleric, whether it be grinding **** in heaven or hell, or healing a tank for FB99s, WB's, BH's, and whatnot. The rationale you gave sounds like someone going demon and downplaying heals to try to justify their choice.
    Sorry, I beg to differ. It sounds to me like you are trying to downplay the demonic choice to justify yours. You can AoE grind and support tanks fine with Ironheart-10, so why would Sage be imperative over Demon? Surely the Sage bonus makes it easier, but it is by no means essential. In fact in an AoE grind it would be awesome if IH would only cost me a net 100 mana, seeing as 300 of the 400 would regenerate! When you're in a squad with a Blademaster master who is doing an AoE grind... do you realize the amount of mana they go through? The mana shower is not insignificant.
    The people who discount DIH on the basis that other classes and tanks can use mana potions... seriously if my IH-10 (someday DIH) isn't good enough use hp-food. The difference in healing is that of a lv.60 health potion. That is not a huge deal to me, a cleric.
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary wrote: »
    uhm, dood.....Farren Serenity and Calcid are NOTHING compared to Ancient Evil (AE) in 2-3.

    NOTHING.

    And Id love to see you tank AE with a wizard healing or no cleric at all. Pls submit a youtube video for our enjoyment. kthnxbai

    I am not trying to be impressive, I know I'm not the only barb that can tank without charms. On top of that, a 55 barb tanking in TT2-3? K, I got to be epic pwnage at such a higher LVLed instance? Apparently I am stating to wafflefail that barbs relying on charms with clerics or even wizards healing is a fail barb. Kthxbai
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    aren't you the same guy that says he only has a 5x char... and that light armor is best for pvp.

    I do have a 5x char, I should show you him, but I don't want you to know the name of my barb, he is pure HA, pure VIT. Again, why would I lie about having a capped 55 barb? His build is 3 STR, 0.5 DEX, 1.5 VIT bonus every LVL. No he is not as much of a PVPer than this one on avatar. HA have a weak point. Stop bashing me about the damn LA build thread, my BM don't even have LA yet, and my barb's DEX is too low to wear latest one. I really should not get angry at certain foolish people ~_~ just got to relax

    Lets go back on topic please
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  • Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear Posts: 916 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I do have a 5x char, I should show you him, but I don't want you to know the name of my barb, he is pure HA, pure VIT. Again, why would I lie about having a capped 55 barb? His build is 3 STR, 0.5 DEX, 1.5 VIT bonus every LVL. No he is not as much of a PVPer than this one on avatar. HA have a weak point. Stop bashing me about the damn LA build thread, my BM don't even have LA yet, and my barb's DEX is too low to wear latest one.

    LOL. Who would even want to know the name of your barbarian if it's low leveled? b:chuckle
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  • dekciw
    dekciw Posts: 954 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Hell one is better, mp heal is always handy especially for a tank. Can keep biting non-stop without worrying about running out of mana / having to use pots. It's also very useful against bosses that use mana burn and we all know there is a lot of them. It's just very handy overall, a lot more people benefit from the mp heal than that actual increased hp heal.
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  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    For tank healing, which is the primary role of a cleric, rest assured, sage's is stronger, as a dead barb doesn't need his mp. However, demon IH isn't bad by any means, but the thread you pointed out has a bunch of classes other than a cleric pointing out they like the demon IH so they don't have to use mp pots. If you think a cleric is responsible for other people's mp pool, then power to you, however, for the role of healing and not babysitting mp, sage's is substantially better. There are demon skills which are, vice versa, substantially better and more beneficial than a sage's (demon puri and stream, for example). IH is not one of those, especially when a cleric is healing their own self.

    I couldnt of put it any better myself than the following post....
    Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I actually had this exact thread already... General consensus is that Demon Ironheart is preferable. If you want to see for yourself: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=626022. I think it is important to note that a full magic cleric with Ironheart lv.10 should be able heal you through any boss in the game. Most clerics don't have an advanced version, because its rare and expensive. In either case, both Demon and Sage heal considerably more. The Sage heals even more on top of that, which makes the spell incredibly powerful. However, the effect is not by any means necessary. Just as the mana recovery effect of the demonic version is not by any means necessary. Both are useful bonuses.

    The idea that a support-build (NOT support cleric, but a cleric that uses Vitality in their build) would prefer Sage makes sense. They need to compensate for their lowered healing power. A full-magic cleric may not see that as a priority and be confident in there ability to keep their tanks alive. So instead they could opt for an additional means of support. I want to highlight that neither is inherently better then the other, and both support tanks. Demon Ironheart may be more versatile, but Sage Ironheart can compliment low-magic builds.

    ____________ Sorry this post annoyed me...

    Sorry, I beg to differ. It sounds to me like you are trying to downplay the demonic choice to justify yours. You can AoE grind and support tanks fine with Ironheart-10, so why would Sage be imperative over Demon? Surely the Sage bonus makes it easier, but it is by no means essential. In fact in an AoE grind it would be awesome if IH would only cost me a net 100 mana, seeing as 300 of the 400 would regenerate! When you're in a squad with a Blademaster master who is doing an AoE grind... do you realize the amount of mana they go through? The mana shower is not insignificant.
    The people who discount DIH on the basis that other classes and tanks can use mana potions... seriously if my IH-10 (someday DIH) isn't good enough use hp-food. The difference in healing is that of a lv.60 health potion. That is not a huge deal to me, a cleric.

    Demon to me seems much more beneficial. let me put it like this....

    Sage - Keeps You Alive/Can DD Aswell Depending on Mob/Very Little Chance Of Death.
    Demon - Keeps You Alive/Can DD Aswell Depending on Mob/Little Chance Of Death/You Don't Need Mana Pots/Charm (Which makes tank's job along with others cheaper).
    Which of these seems better to you when taken at face value?
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    LOL. Who would even want to know the name of your barbarian if it's low leveled? b:chuckle

    forum ppl? b:laugh
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I couldnt of put it any better myself than the following post....



    Demon to me seems much more beneficial. let me put it like this....

    Sage - Keeps You Alive/Can DD Aswell Depending on Mob/Very Little Chance Of Death.
    Demon - Keeps You Alive/Can DD Aswell Depending on Mob/Little Chance Of Death/You Don't Need Mana Pots/Charm (Which makes tank's job along with others cheaper).
    Which of these seems better to you when taken at face value?

    Fact, I been healed by a sage cleric in TT1-1 with my barb when I shown the TT un on forums xD too lazy to search, and yes, he was LVL45 charmless o_o. You could search if you want.

    And MP charms blows, concentrate orb packs > MP charm... even 1 of them is better. My barb used one and it was gone fast <__<
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I am not trying to be impressive, I know I'm not the only barb that can tank without charms. On top of that, a 55 barb tanking in TT2-3? K, I got to be epic pwnage at such a higher LVLed instance? Apparently I am stating to wafflefail that barbs relying on charms with clerics or even wizards healing is a fail barb. Kthxbai

    lol... 55 barb tanking ae... i guess anything is possible now that pigs are flying outside.
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sorry, I beg to differ. It sounds to me like you are trying to downplay the demonic choice to justify yours. You can AoE grind and support tanks fine with Ironheart-10, so why would Sage be imperative over Demon? Surely the Sage bonus makes it easier, but it is by no means essential. In fact in an AoE grind it would be awesome if IH would only cost me a net 100 mana, seeing as 300 of the 400 would regenerate!
    The people who discount DIH on the basis that other classes and tanks can use mana potions... seriously if my IH-10 (someday DIH) isn't good enough use hp-food. The difference in healing is that of a lv.60 health potion. That is not a huge deal to me, a cleric.
    Imperative? Essential? These were words you used, or exaggerated in response to me to try and make whatever the point was in your response seem valid.

    However, there are some pretty humorous parts of your post. 1. I don't need to justify my build when I've stated numerous times I would have been just as happy going demon. There are skills that are better for demon than sage, and vice versa -- at least I can concede something unlike the fanboys of either sage or demon -- IH is a case of vice versa. 2. Yeah, an IH would be like a level 60 potion if the potion had a cooldown period of like 1-3 seconds. But it doesn't, so that's one horrendous rationale. Secondly, you don't have a 100mp loss when you incur the 400mp loss right away to cast it whereas the 300 is over time, meaning you can empty your mp pool out rather quickly and you'll still need to pot. One of the dumbest ideas one could have about demon IH is regenerating one's own mp pool with it, and you did just that.

    Plus, you referenced a topic where primarily other classes besides clerics said how much they prefer demon IH, which is a no brainer given level 10 is still pretty strong, and they don't have to **** their mp charm or use mp pots. But again, clerics are not responsible for their mp, and those level 60 pots you referenced, for mp, would keep, at very least, a barb's mp pool just fine. The same comparable HP pots wouldn't do that. You just downplayed heals which are used to keep people alive, now that is a brilliant idea.
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    lol... 55 barb tanking ae... i guess anything is possible now that pigs are flying outside.
    With the awesome pdef/mdef of a 55 barb + HP, he gets one shot by a single Wurlord fireball, or Feng combo, or series of Cosmo hits when buffed, or any adds hitting him at Astral, or likely gets one shot by Belial. He's clearly making a bunch of **** up.
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    lol... 55 barb tanking ae... i guess anything is possible now that pigs are flying outside.

    Did you read wrong? or is it that you just telling me that I am lied about tanking AE at 55? b:laugh

    Of course I did not tank AE before. I didn't say that I tanked AE <_< OMG seriously. Please tell me your just telling me this lol
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I am not trying to be impressive, I know I'm not the only barb that can tank without charms. On top of that, a 55 barb tanking in TT2-3? K, I got to be epic pwnage at such a higher LVLed instance? Apparently I am stating to wafflefail that barbs relying on charms with clerics or even wizards healing is a fail barb. Kthxbai



    I do have a 5x char, I should show you him, but I don't want you to know the name of my barb, he is pure HA, pure VIT. Again, why would I lie about having a capped 55 barb? His build is 3 STR, 0.5 DEX, 1.5 VIT bonus every LVL. No he is not as much of a PVPer than this one on avatar. HA have a weak point. Stop bashing me about the damn LA build thread, my BM don't even have LA yet, and my barb's DEX is too low to wear latest one. I really should not get angry at certain foolish people ~_~ just got to relax

    Lets go back on topic please
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  • Astoru - Heavens Tear
    Astoru - Heavens Tear Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If you really need that extra 10%, you're doing something wrong.

    I wouldn't base the demon/sage choice purely on this skill.
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  • Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear Posts: 916 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ^ Couldn't have said it better myself. b:laugh
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
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    please stop posting.

    oh yeah, demon-wanna be, sure thing, but this is dedicated to you
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    VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
    HA > LA > AR... GG

    HA + VIT = win b:bye
  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    oh yeah, demon-wanna be, sure thing, but this is dedicated to you
    http://techbuddha.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/vader-fail.jpg

    You failed completely when u didn't post the actual pic b:surrender.


    Oh and Waffle.....
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ShortBus.jpg
    please stop posting.

    I agree b:laugh.
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    oh yeah, demon-wanna be, sure thing, but this is dedicated to you
    http://techbuddha.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/vader-fail.jpg
    says he who claims sages are better because of a 100 mana burn over 15s every time the poison goes off... or because a longer slow means something special when you can 3 shot mobs your level...

    please just stop, youre going to beat me with your experience in being stupid.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.

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