Cash Shop QQing Fix

Bowlinbob - Lost City

hmm.. had a thought, tho I wouldnt do it myself due to my level.

Make 2 new servers, one pvp, one pve. And completely get rid of the cash-shop. And make these servers pay to play instead. And implement all current cash shop items into drops from boss's.

That way you have the side who are willing to spend thousands on this game in the current servers, and those who are less rich spend a monthly fee for a fair game.

RedsRose - Lost City

Funny you mention P2P.....a few of us were talking about that last night and I have been talking to a few about that today.


Not sure how I feel on it but I can see good and bad things with the idea....

*goes to ponder more*

Bowlinbob - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Funny you mention P2P.....a few of us were talking about that last night and I have been talking to a few about that today.


Not sure how I feel on it but I can see good and bad things with the idea....

*goes to ponder more*

if i could transer to a server like this it would be awesome, but i doubt it would be possible. Due to people already cash-shopping l33t gear then owning everyone on a p2p server.

Trista_Zel - Dreamweaver

Since it would be a P2P server, perhaps they could also incorporate the housing system on those servers, since it was created for a P2P version anyway.

eatwithspoons

Let's be honest, the way PWI was localized and assembled is for a free to play market, not to mention even our developers work on a schedule based on this.

This idea is not feasible with the game currently, the only way this would work would involve a complete overhaul of the entire game and all systems, which is not going to happenb:surrender

Bowlinbob - Lost City

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Let's be honest, the way PWI was localized and assembled is for a free to play market, not to mention even our developers work on a schedule based on this.

This idea is not feasible with the game currently, the only way this would work would involve a complete overhaul of the entire game and all systems, which is not going to happenb:surrender

way to burst my bubble *flicks spoons' forehead*

RedsRose - Lost City

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

way to burst my bubble *flicks spoons' forehead*

Dream the Dream Bob!

And HEY....be nice b:cute

eatwithspoons

I just don't want to get your hopes up you know? It's an interesting idea but pretty much everything would need to be changed to make it happen.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

would it help if i paid you with cookies? What's a little elbow grease, geddit done >:o

"it would take too much work" isn't a good excuse Q~Q

eatwithspoons

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

would it help if i paid you with cookies? What's a little elbow grease, geddit done >:o

"it would take too much work" isn't a good excuse Q~Q

Isn't it though? Changing the mechanics that the game was built around? b:chuckle

RedsRose - Lost City

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Isn't it though? Changing the mechanics that the game was built around? b:chuckle

Bob is grasping desperately for something to hold onto b:chuckle

Bowlinbob - Lost City

*takes cookie back* FINE NO COOKIE FOR YOU

RedsRose - Lost City

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

*takes cookie back* FINE NO COOKIE FOR YOU

Cen alrdy gave me a rose cookie b:cute

Bowlinbob - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Cen alrdy gave me a rose cookie b:cute

My Rose Cookie is better, no ribbon to choke on..

RedsRose - Lost City

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

My Rose Cookie is better, no ribbon to choke on..

b:cuteb:cute

Trista_Zel - Dreamweaver

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

My Rose Cookie is better, no ribbon to choke on..

Indeed, no ribbon to choke on. Just a stick.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

If they were to do the p2p server, than you would have a all forums of people complaining that they were not able to keep up with those people that play all day.. and how that was not fair, etc. Than you would see blackmarket gold sellers and coin sellers, followed by lots of people claiming their accounts were ****. In the end, nothing would change.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If they were to do the p2p server, than you would have a all forums of people complaining that they were not able to keep up with those people that play all day.. and how that was not fair, etc. Than you would see blackmarket gold sellers and coin sellers, followed by lots of people claiming their accounts were ****. In the end, nothing would change.

thats why there would be the option for the current servers.. for the people who cant play all day to spend cash to keep up.

P2p servers would just be a more fair alternative for less rich folk

edit: i see u like to argue, but I try to find solutions, instead of shooting down every thread made by certain people <_<

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

thats why there would be the option for the current servers.. for the people who cant play all day to spend cash to keep up.

P2p servers would just be a more fair alternative for less rich folk

edit: i see u like to argue, but I try to find solutions, instead of shooting down every thread made by certain people <_<

Bob, I just like to point out issues with some ideas, based on my personal experience. If I did not care I would not bother to try to explain and instead would just say something like "u suxs, stupid idea, noob".

RedsRose - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Bob, I just like to point out issues with some ideas, based on my personal experience. If I did not care I would not bother to try to explain and instead would just say something like "u suxs, stupid idea, noob".

^ Truth....we all know Jazmin....b:cute

Asperitas - Lost City

i like the idea. i dont think people will QQ (maybe some) about people who play all day being better. that's what the whole concept is all about. hard work and time investment > sitting and waiting for the next underpriced overpowered cash shop item.

shame it wont be implemented.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

i like the idea. i dont think people will QQ (maybe some) about people who play all day being better. that's what the whole concept is all about. hard work and time investment > sitting and waiting for the next underpriced overpowered cash shop item.

shame it wont be implemented.

Unfortunatly, that is exactly what has happened in every single p2p mmo I have played. You go to the forums and it is a flamefest and insults flying between those that spend 15+ hours a day playing and those that only play 4-8 hours a day. And do not even bother trying playing if you can only play less than 4 hours a day, since there will be no point at all.

On our forums you see the "loosers wasted $500 in the game.. if I had $500 I would spend it on something else", on their forums you see "loosers waste 15hours + a day playing this game, what a waste of life, they should go out more and get a RL gf/bf, etc". Than you have the "you are only better than me because you can spend 15 hours a day playing this game since you have no life, meanwhile I have to work so I cannot spend time on", while we have "you are only better than me because you are able to CS".

No difference in the end, still complaining about game being unfair, having to spend lots of resources (time, money, etc), in order to be competitive.

And don't assume for a second that RL money would not have a major impact on the game.... Since there would be a black market for in-game coins, just liek all p2p games have.

However, it would be nice to have that option, just like we have pvp and pve. It would not stop the complaining, but it would give people more options, and more options is always a good thing.

Asperitas - Lost City

There's going to be QQ anywhere you go no matter what you do. Does that mean you should stop doing whatever we were going to do? Absolutely not.

People cry about getting PKed on a PVP server. Countless posts in PVP forum. World chat always full of em. Does that stop PWI from making PVP servers? No. Does that stop people from playing on these servers? No. It probably clutters the forums, but it doesn't take away from the fact that the original idea was a good one and lazy people will always find something to complain at.

I don't know if this is just the games im playing, but basic gameplay is to reward the player through good, strong items for the long hours and tiring efforts they put in. Whether its P2P of F2P. That's why you have good drops from hard bosses and end-game gear are hard to get. If people cry about that system, they shouldn't be playing an MMO. You wanna be the best? You want to be on a competitive level? You put in the same amount of hours everyone else put in.

Now if you tell me the point of PWI is to cash shop our way to the top then dominate everybody else, okay. I will step back, apologize for my ignorance and take my leave of the game. But from what i've read, and the short lived anni-pack-less experience, this wasn't a cash-shopping game. Since this is pretty much what it's turned to, i think offering an alternative server without a cash shop is a pretty decent idea.

Like I said before, a shame it wont be happening.

A fault i might see is this server won't be too densely populated. it looks like a lot of people like getting something for nothing, so this server might not be worth PW's time and money.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

. But from what i've read, and the short lived anni-pack-less experience, this wasn't a cash-shopping game. Since this is pretty much what it's turned to, i think offering an alternative server without a cash shop is a pretty decent idea.

Like I said before, a shame it wont be happening.

A fault i might see is this server won't be too densely populated. it looks like a lot of people like getting something for nothing, so this server might not be worth PW's time and money.

The first "pack" event was Haloween 2008, with JJ event. We also had one at Xmas, than another at Valentines, than another after that, etc.

Do a quick search about gold prices, and you will see people complaining about how JJ would cause gold prices to go up.

The reason we had not seen any of the good packs, was because the general population of the server was too low level. The Annipacks and the new packs are geared towards level 85+ players, so, if they had put those packs in-game last year, they would not had sold, since there were no level 85+ players.

Now, lets not forget, that in PW, you can buy every single item in CS with in-game coin, so people that spend real money actualy have absolutely no advantage over people that buy the items in game with coin or even those that buy gold with coin from the AH.

This is the part that makes PW different than other games that have cash shops. EVERY single item in CS can be bought for in-game coins, most other games have special items that only people that use real money can access, and in pretty much all of those games it is illegal to sell gold for in-game coins.
People have a choice to buy things, or to grind for 15 hours to obtain the same items. So it is like having a p2p server and a f2p server in one.

Asperitas - Lost City

I find it hard to believe that anni packs werent introduced earlier for the mere fact that items are for higher levels. With the rewards that came along with it, im pretty sure a lot of the population could have oracled their way up, the same way so many other people are doing it now. of course, this is only my assumption. i havent played for all that long, so this is just my hypothesis.

regardless, anniversary packs disrupt our gameplay as free-to-play players. it's true. every item in the cash shop can be purchased with coin. but you tell me. a player starting from ground 0. how long will it take before this player can gather enough capital to even begin raising the funds to get these items?

i remember stating in one of our previous debates that the items are accessible, but not readily obtainable by the average f2p playerbase. of course, one might say i am contradicting my own proposal of rewards through hard work and dedication, but that's not what im really arguing about. it's the fact that these items can be gained so easily and so effortlessly that drives the anger that some of the people have. those who dont have enough money to charge zen have no choice but to farm it or get 60m to buy a weapon. those who happen to have excess amounts of money are clicking boxes to get the same items, all the while gaining other items through failed attempts.

i believe this is the cornerstone of this suggestion. a place where everybody faces the same challenges and the same obstacles. a place where if i take 3 months grinding for my HH 100 weapon, i can be satisfied that nobody else can get it by swiping their credit card. if i am level 100 and i beat on a level 80, then he really has no solid ground to cry upon. i invested time and effort into reaching my level. you do the same if you want to be my level. not *grab your credit card and pay your way up to get to my level (literally and metaphorically it seems)*

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

i believe this is the cornerstone of this suggestion. a place where everybody faces the same challenges and the same obstacles. a place where if i take 3 months grinding for my HH 100 weapon, i can be satisfied that nobody else can get it by swiping their credit card. if i am level 100 and i beat on a level 80, then he really has no solid ground to cry upon. i invested time and effort into reaching my level. you do the same if you want to be my level. not *grab your credit card and pay your way up to get to my level (literally and metaphorically it seems)*

I agree with most of this, except that there would still be people swipping their credit card to just buy those mats from people that worked on them. That is why gold bots and gold selling sites are so popular in P2P MMOs. Some people will always be happy to pay to get whatever they want without having to spend the time doing it.

However, as I stated earlier, I would like to see a P2P version as well, since it would give people more options on how to play this game, and options are always good.

Asperitas - Lost City

it's true. people would probably do that. but i think implementing a server like this would be a big step forward for PWI.