HA Archer?

IceFalls - Sanctuary

I noticed something while doing quests the other day. It was a Archer using Dragonbow (TT90) but she was wearing TT70 HA. WHY? What would the advantages be for a HA Archer?

(I cant think of any personally)

DarkSniper - Lost City

As a HA archer myself, trust me, HA archers are amazing.

Legerity - Sanctuary

I know who you're talk about.

I remember she mentioned she went TT70 for the tankability. She's the same person who had a +5 or +7 unicorn iirc. I think the idea was sacrificing ~80 dex for ~80 str to have increased survivability while still doing decent damage. (like a vit build but putting the vit into str for more pdef)

If it works for her then more power to her; I don't know why one would need to tank in HA TT70 though. Fist as well, maybe?

Brigid - Harshlands

HA has a lot more PDef than LA several grades above it, even. Just as an example, 3-star L30 HA plate has 524 PDef. 3-star level 70 LA plate only has 477 PDef. They both have similar str requirements (77 vs 74).

Even a pure dex archer could boost their PDef by a fair bit at the expense of MDef by wearing low-level Heavy Armor. Something like a 2 Str 3 Dex build would be able to wear HA one grade lower, and have something like twice the PDef compared to a LA archer.

SashaSlick - Sanctuary

DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »

As a HA archer myself, trust me, HA archers are amazing.

What is "HA"?

Brigid - Harshlands

SashaSlick - Sanctuary wrote: »

What is "HA"?

Heavy Armor.

Kephras - Heavens Tear

Having made one m'self, I have to say I am absolutely loving it. I'm doing an even 5/5 split between STR/DEX per two levels, so I don't know if he's "guidebook" HA or my own extremist take on the notion, but either way he's just damn fun to play. Managed to tank all the elites & minibosses that have come my way so far, and even took down Wicked Pirate for his stashbox oracles at 35 (okay, that one took a couple jaozi). Is this what that BM 'invincibility complex' feels like?

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary

I plan to make one...once i have free time (</3 all those AP's...)
2 str 3 dex per level, so I'll be able to wear HA just a few lvls below me, but the difference won't be too big til endgame (lvl 99 to wear tt90 HA), so not that bad O_o

I'm not sure if str helps archer damage, but I still figured that archers are the worst up close (1/2 dmg), so having HA against close-range meleers would be good, even though there's a loss in eva and acc...and m. def, but at least there isn't a dmg penalty for long-range battles b:embarrass
I'd probably use a cross-bow to make up for the loss in dmg (less dex) with the spikes...but then again, what do I know? Never played an archer before XD

kedge123

light armor is the way to go..

For pdef just get belt n necklace..
Been heavy armor will make ya deal less damage n ya wont help ya at all having HH70..
90 people melee 1 shot 70 people.. wat would a hh70 do for u.. =/

Shootuh - Sanctuary

I have to say being a HA is painful PVP wise.. Clerics and mages will hurt a lot, and with lesser damage, killing them will be tougher, so no point right?

Also at around your 70s, aren't all/most of your mobs you face mages? Painful, and you can't kill it before it reaches you. I'm just saying.. All opinion here.

Quilue - Sanctuary

aaaah where is Valirah? i think she also had swords? b:chuckle well honestly if you have the money to +7 your bow i don't think it matters in pve...mob'll die before it reaches you most likely

maybe +7 some mdef orns while you're at it and you'd probably be golden...and finally, get some of that +dex tome too

IceFalls - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

aaaah where is Valirah? i think she also had swords? b:chuckle well honestly if you have the money to +7 your bow i don't think it matters in pve...mob'll die before it reaches you most likely

maybe +7 some mdef orns while you're at it and you'd probably be golden...and finally, get some of that +dex tome too

Ah, yep. That was who it was. I saw the armor and thought it looked interesting for LA, so I checked equips and it wasnt LA, but HA. b:shocked

@Scorched_Sky: No, Str does not help Archer attack power. Dex is the only thing you are really looking at, unless you happen to be using a melee weapon..............

Kephras - Heavens Tear

Shootuh - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have to say being a HA is painful PVP wise.. Clerics and mages will hurt a lot, and with lesser damage, killing them will be tougher, so no point right?

So you'd think. Admittedly, MOST of my experience has been with PvE so far, and in that regard I have no trouble coping. I have, however, tried several duels, and HA has stood up pretty well for me so far. I do acknowledge the lack of dex hurts my ranged attack, but between bow & dual-swords, I do the same damage at range or up close, more or less.

Also at around your 70s, aren't all/most of your mobs you face mages? Painful, and you can't kill it before it reaches you. I'm just saying.. All opinion here.

Can still wear LA for ranged casters, Shell will spare you some of the pain that a slower kill incurs. Also, fun tactic for the melee+caster types: swap for melee wep, fly up directly above 'em, and then drop on said mob. Intentionally landing on or next to them cuts out the painful zap closing to range.

The main difference with HA, the way I see it, is you have to think differently. You're not an archer in the conventional sense, you can't afford to behave like one.

Quilue - Sanctuary

then why not play a bm tho? might as well roll the melee class and have stuns/aoes/heals/pdef buff

and finally, more evasion and accuracy per dex. if you go 3str 2dex with some +dex equip (especially one of those ridiculous tomes) you can probably have a bow a lvl below you anyway or even a bow your level if you want

Elviron - Dreamweaver

An archer would not be able to fight on par with a melee class, using a fist for the most obvious reason of not being able to use a fist and dont the melee classes get STR as their main stat? If so their damage output would anyways be greater than that of an archer. Plus they have skills which maximize melee warfare.

And also if youre going hybrid like 3 dex 2 str then youre not actually getting a good damage with either the bow class of weapons or the melee class of weapons.

Also archers' hp doesnt really permit them to go for the melee option unless of course the archer being made is a skilless elven swordmaster and even so their melee damage would pale in comparison to that of the other melee classes. In the end, it might actually be better to simply do the half dmg at close range or simply use youre darn lightning skills which work pretty well at close range <.<.

The more ideal and actually advantageous method would be to simply go with light armours and bows (pure dex). The challenge lies in keeping the target away from you as much as possible.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

IceFalls - Sanctuary wrote: »

I noticed something while doing quests the other day. It was a Archer using Dragonbow (TT90) but she was wearing TT70 HA. WHY? What would the advantages be for a HA Archer?

(I cant think of any personally)

DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »

As a HA archer myself, trust me, HA archers are amazing.

Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »

I know who you're talk about.

I remember she mentioned she went TT70 for the tankability. She's the same person who had a +5 or +7 unicorn iirc. I think the idea was sacrificing ~80 dex for ~80 str to have increased survivability while still doing decent damage. (like a vit build but putting the vit into str for more pdef)

If it works for her then more power to her; I don't know why one would need to tank in HA TT70 though. Fist as well, maybe?

I am wondering the same thing as legerity. wtf is s/he going to tank? mobs? there is no way s/he is going to be tanking bosses. ranged boss atk usually are magical, so that defeats the point of HA. and at close range the archer's dmg will be halved (on top of the already **** dmg). the only solution to even remotely trying to keep aggro is by switching to fists. even then any half assed dd can easily take aggro.
in pvp, HA archers gets ****ed even more. most of the time clerics use mag atk against archers, so HA isn't going to help you there. wiz use mag atk anyways. any half decent archer would know the armor type after the first two shots and switch accordingly. at upper levels, archer won't be killing same level bm/barbs, so there is no point of standing around and taking hits. the only advantage is that you can tank that one extra nix bleed... but then your **** will be handed to you by the veno. the only thing that amazes me about HA archers, is that they are "amazing" easy to kill.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

1) Lady Valirah did not refine her Unicorn +7. She got it for a great deal in the AH, already refined.

2) She uses a sword for melee.

3) Here is Lady Valirah's setup at level 83: Link.

4) There is more discussion following that post (which is at post 30).

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1) Lady Valirah did not refine her Unicorn +7. She got it for a great deal in the AH, already refined.

2) She uses a sword for melee.

3) Here is Lady Valirah's setup at level 83: Link.

4) There is more discussion following that post (which is at post 30).

funny how an average dex archer at 8x would have about 3k more raw dmg. she efficetly is a 7x bm with 6x bm's hp. thats easily 2 shot from any mag based 8x atk. and with lowered dmg, shes not going to be killing anything of equal level.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

more strength means also the archer is able to wear matching lvl helmet. +1 to survivability.

of course wizards like me would love to see all archers wearing HAb:victory