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Boned - Lost City
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Just wondering something
When in PvP, if someone kills your nix, are you as good as dead?
When in PvP, if someone kills your nix, are you as good as dead?
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It may make your battle a bit harder, but you won't always die. In a battle I had once with a BM a higher level than me at the time (Scyke), my nix died. It turned to a stalemate and who had more hiero.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Nope. You got Bramble Hood, Summer Sprint, Soul Transfusion, Metabolic Boost, etc skills. And you should have other pets. What kind of fail veno wouldn't even know how to kite?
A veno is fail if they rely on their nix for 100% support. A good offense is a good defense, but jeez <.<.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Boned - Lost City wrote: »Just wondering something
When in PvP, if someone kills your nix, are you as good as dead?
if you suck yes, but than you would get killed even with a nix.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
Accelerated - Sanctuary wrote: »Nope. You got Bramble Hood, Summer Sprint, Soul Transfusion, Metabolic Boost, etc skills. And you should have other pets. What kind of fail veno wouldn't even know how to kite?
A veno is fail if they rely on their nix for 100% support. A good offense is a good defense, but jeez <.<.
A 3x veno who doesn't have a nix and never PvP'd with a veno before? b:chuckle I'm just going off what some archer guildmate told me that Veno's always run whenever he kills their pets, and was wondering if I'm set to die whenever my nix dies.0 -
I've got 6188 hp unbuffed, I'm not going down easy.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Poison - Heavens Tear wrote: »I've got 6188 hp unbuffed, I'm not going down easy.
Whats the % of veno dmg to nix dmg? Like does nix do more or less than 50% of damage?0 -
Boned - Lost City wrote: »Whats the % of veno dmg to nix dmg? Like does nix do more or less than 50% of damage?
If you want to become good at playing a veno, do not worry about the phoenix. Once you can kill people without the phoenix, than the phoenix will just make it that much easier.
And it depends, the phoenix can anywhere do damage anywhere from no damage to 100% of the damage, it all depends how you play your veno.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
It's no-where near 50% for me, like Ice said, it's an extention, not the entire weapon.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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I guess I listen to the wrong people..
All I ever hear about veno's is QQ NIX GLITCH OP NERFFFFFF
Never thought of the possabilities of killing w/o a nix, haha
I'ma make a veno on one of your servers and have you teach me your ways xD No one on LC would take the time to help someone out haha.0 -
When my nix dies I just bring out my Kowlin/Bee. b:bored
..on MY-EN. QQ[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Boned - Lost City wrote: »I guess I listen to the wrong people..
All I ever hear about veno's is QQ NIX GLITCH OP NERFFFFFF
Never thought of the possabilities of killing w/o a nix, haha
That's cause they are too busy hiding behind their nix I guess. b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Actually on topic though, on MY-EN I could never kill anyone without pets who were charmed (they could never kill me either unless it was caster) unless I demon sparked. Heavy Armor ftl ~_~;
I imagine it would go differently for an arcane user, but I don't have much experience as arcane in PVP.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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First at all if the PK'er is experienced she/he will attack u to kill u asap then bye,bye Nix =( and probably fail for u.
Be LA veno helps even if u are directly attacked while r Nix is bitting hard.... with summer spring and nice channeling u could be enought faster to cast Purge, Amp.Dmg, Beffuding and turn into human form and Bramble Hood, if u are charmed u must support it also u got nice HP, MP skills and soul transfusion.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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yeah all the lame high lvl rpkers 1 hit my pet and it gives me the time to run + log like a true pro as opposed to them 1 shotting me0
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Accelerated - Sanctuary wrote: ». What kind of fail veno wouldn't even know how to kite?
its funny you say that. I have had a barb tell me that no veno kites, this was after i kited him.
a BM with maxed lionroar (thats the name right, aoe stun?) has a good chance of killing your pet pretty easy.Q - How to win on Perfect World?
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XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »a BM with maxed lionroar (thats the name right, aoe stun?) has a good chance of killing your pet pretty easy.
So kill 'em after they do that. Now two at a time I can't just stand there and take the hits while taking them down, and three at a time they can keep me stunned enough to get around my charm ticks. This is human mode mind you, will have to see what happens with sage foxform. b:laugh[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Poison - Heavens Tear wrote: »So kill 'em after they do that. Now two at a time I can't just stand there and take the hits while taking them down, and three at a time they can keep me stunned enough to get around my charm ticks. This is human mode mind you, will have to see what happens with sage foxform. b:laugh
the only bm that was successful in doing it against me was a fist bm. Aoe stun, then did that aoe fist skill that gives them increased attack speed, punched my pet to death before the stuns were up. The first time he did it to me, it totally caught me off guard because before that no one attacked my pet. Only class before that was a cleric that put my pet to sleep and went after me.
The axe/mace BM's, i dunno, tend to miss alot.. i usually dont care about these guys.. but fists are something fierce when combined with good accuracy.Q - How to win on Perfect World?
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XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »its funny you say that. I have had a barb tell me that no veno kites, this was after i kited him.
a BM with maxed lionroar (thats the name right, aoe stun?) has a good chance of killing your pet pretty easy.
lmao especially kiting in tw's is fun xD I have done that so many times to BMs who try to keep me stunlocked so my nix doesn't do anymore damage to them and I just jump into the air and they move on. That's after running around like an idiot for a few minutes LMAO of which they still couldn't kill me. Ticked my charms like mad though. Good times, good times :P
But to be honest, I've pk'ed with my kowlin only. Never really done it with my nix. If someone killed my nix, especially in tw, I'd pull out my kowlin and watch them be like OMG THE VENO HAS ANOTHER PET :P Even in tw's my nix was mostly killed and didn't really help much except when I was helping destroy towers and the crystals. But I was a noob at that time. I don't do tw's now, nor do I pk. The last time I pk'ed I used my kowlin._Jaysun_'s Wife
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A veno isn't taking anyone down w/o the help of her pet unless the person attacking is 5-10+ levels lower OR has no heiro and/or crappy gear..and this is not the case at 8x+.
Our attacks are absolute **** compared to the other magic classes. So unless you invest in two demon hearts rings (or better) and a uber refined frost weapon, you are toast.
And even if venos do invest more points on magic...where's the defense? You'll get stunned and two shotted by a BM. UNLESS, you get awesome gear and refine. Even then, there is no way you'll have enough power to over-tick a BM's 8k HP+ at higher levels.
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LinZeta - Lost City wrote: »A veno isn't taking anyone down w/o the help of her pet unless the person attacking is 5-10+ levels lower OR has no heiro and/or crappy gear..and this is not the case at 8x+.
Our attacks are absolute **** compared to the other magic classes. So unless you invest in two demon hearts rings (or better) and a uber refined frost weapon, you are toast.
And even if venos do invest more points on magic...where's the defense? You'll get stunned and two shotted by a BM. UNLESS, you get awesome gear and refine. Even then, there is no way you'll have enough power to over-tick a BM's 8k HP+ at higher levels.
It's a lot about money.
Lies! Lies I say! This is the talk of someone who never learned the full potential of their class. TW last night. I found myself a blademaster and after I cast myriad rainbow and hit him with mental break I proceed to slam down 2k+ a hit dropping him in no time. All he could do was run and die. I'm not even built for damage or pvp.Main characters
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Poison - Heavens Tear wrote: »I've got 6188 hp unbuffed, I'm not going down easy.
I just read this. But do you have the pdef to support that o.o; without the pdef, hp isn't everything..... squishy is still squishy no matter the hp ^^;_Jaysun_'s Wife
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when your talking about veno getting 2 shotted by a bm.. are you talking about arcane, light or heavy armor? b:mischievousQ - How to win on Perfect World?
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LinZeta - Lost City wrote: »A veno isn't taking anyone down w/o the help of her pet unless the person attacking is 5-10+ levels lower OR has no heiro and/or crappy gear..and this is not the case at 8x+.
Our attacks are absolute **** compared to the other magic classes. So unless you invest in two demon hearts rings (or better) and a uber refined frost weapon, you are toast.
And even if venos do invest more points on magic...where's the defense? You'll get stunned and two shotted by a BM. UNLESS, you get awesome gear and refine. Even then, there is no way you'll have enough power to over-tick a BM's 8k HP+ at higher levels.
It's a lot about money.
I am not sure what you mean.... I am arcane with almost 7k pdef and 8k mdef while buffed. Between debuffing peeps I come across, killing other veno's phoenixes and chasing down people in HA, I am pretty busy during TWs. I use a sawfly, and so far it has worked out just fine. Find a big pile of enemies, swoop down, go fox form, myriad the pile, purge, myst, caster form, AOEs...
On cats, purge them, soul degeneration them or amp them, seal them, go human, nuke them...
Venos really shine in a team, since you can really help your team mates take down almost anything, with all the debuffs you have at your disposal.
Regarding the charm...... Just use soul degeneration. You will have 30 secs where the only way for the other party to heal him/herself is by using insta-heal pots (60 secs cooldown on those) or insta-heal spells. So you will not have to worry about the charm for the duration of that curse.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
Out of curiosity, how did you manage to obtain that pdef? Arcane armor with 8k mdef should only give about 900 pdef. Putting 4 flawless garnets on all 6 of your shardable equipment slots only gets you 984 pdef. So you'd need nearly 5k pdef from the ornaments and armor stat bonuses. Or are you talking about while in fox form?IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »I am not sure what you mean.... I am arcane with almost 7k pdef and 8k mdef while buffed.
I ask because as a level 81 heavy build, I can only manage about 6k pdef / 6k mdef buffed in caster form as a "balanced" equipment mix. Though admittedly I've been skimping on my arcane armor (still using a couple level 60ish items).
LOL. So the skill has a use after all. I gotta say, if Soul Degeneration stops charm ticks for 30 sec, then it's probably one of the most powerful abilities in PvP.Regarding the charm...... Just use soul degeneration. You will have 30 secs where the only way for the other party to heal him/herself is by using insta-heal pots (60 secs cooldown on those) or insta-heal spells. So you will not have to worry about the charm for the duration of that curse.0 -
Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Lies! Lies I say! This is the talk of someone who never learned the full potential of their class. TW last night. I found myself a blademaster and after I cast myriad rainbow and hit him with mental break I proceed to slam down 2k+ a hit dropping him in no time. All he could do was run and die. I'm not even built for damage or pvp.
A lot of the veno's skills are based on chance, that's why I hate this blasted class so much...can't really turn back though at this point. But an 8x+ BM like i said, has 7-8k+ HP, even with a 2k+ pop, w.o fast channeling, that's not going to do much. He OBVIOUSLY, did not have a hiero.
Okay is it me, or are Lost City's BMs, THAT BRUTAL? ALOT of people on this server have pimped out gear, and the ones who do PVP, a majority of the time, are HIGH levels, with pretty decent gear.IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »I am not sure what you mean.... I am arcane with almost 7k pdef and 8k mdef while buffed. Between debuffing peeps I come across, killing other veno's phoenixes and chasing down people in HA, I am pretty busy during TWs. I use a sawfly, and so far it has worked out just fine. Find a big pile of enemies, swoop down, go fox form, myriad the pile, purge, myst, caster form, AOEs...
On cats, purge them, soul degeneration them or amp them, seal them, go human, nuke them...
Venos really shine in a team, since you can really help your team mates take down almost anything, with all the debuffs you have at your disposal.
Regarding the charm...... Just use soul degeneration. You will have 30 secs where the only way for the other party to heal him/herself is by using insta-heal pots (60 secs cooldown on those) or insta-heal spells. So you will not have to worry about the charm for the duration of that curse.
Soul is a nuisance to use. YES, it does save you from time to time, but like I said, it is all about chance! If I'm busy fighting someone, if I'm sealed or stun locked, soul is not going to react as soon as it should. Saying everything you said is easier said then done, to pvp, is getting the hang of EVERY possible situation that is thrown at you. If I'm in human form, will I seriously have enough time to jump into fox form, run to the person, debuff them, run out of fox, nuke them, and not have been killed in the process?
You are absolutely right though about venos being the most useful AS A TEAM. But like I ALSO SAID, unless a veno is PIMPED out and has really good gear (MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEHH), the chance of you having, the HIGH HP, the DECENT PHY DEF, and DECENT MAGIC ATTACK, for 1v1 is not going to be likely. You have that much physical def? Then you are A) LA or
have really nice garnet shards in your gear.
And to what someone else said.....even if pure arcane get 2-3 shotted, it's not like LA's and heavys depend on magic either way. They depend on their crits and fox form skills.
Do you guys not see the points that I am trying to make here. As a veno, I at least admit that we totally suck when it comes to certain aspects of this game. We have pets for a reason! We SHOULD use them. We have a seal that takes YEARS to cast. We have a CRAPPY stun. We have skills that debuff in a way where THEY COINCIDE with either pets or other melee damage.
Sigh.....you either fail or win with a veno. Some people say we are the easiest class to use and that we are OP..omg we have an OP pet. I say it's a hunk of ****. I think veno's are the hardest to use, due to the range of capabilities we have.
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I duel BMs and barbs around my level without the nix.
Some wins some losses.
It's fun and the experience from the duels has taught me how to fight with my veno without using pets.
My veno carries 2 sets of equips (heavy and arcane) and I switch them around depending on the situations and pkers.
The nix to me will always be a tool and not my veno's main source of damage.
If the tool fails, there's more than one way of getting the job done. b:victory
And if all else still fails, there's still the ever reliable /faceroll keyboard to rely on hehehe[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »Out of curiosity, how did you manage to obtain that pdef? Arcane armor with 8k mdef should only give about 900 pdef. Putting 4 flawless garnets on all 6 of your shardable equipment slots only gets you 984 pdef. So you'd need nearly 5k pdef from the ornaments and armor stat bonuses. Or are you talking about while in fox form?
I ask because as a level 81 heavy build, I can only manage about 6k pdef / 6k mdef buffed in caster form as a "balanced" equipment mix. Though admittedly I've been skimping on my arcane armor (still using a couple level 60ish items).
LOL. So the skill has a use after all. I gotta say, if Soul Degeneration stops charm ticks for 30 sec, then it's probably one of the most powerful abilities in PvP.
I have 2 full sets of arcane armor, one is sharded mostly with beautiful garnets (3 sockest) and most have double pdef bonus stats. I also have TT80 pdef neck at +2 and TT80pdef belt at +4. All my armor has full elemental resistances as well and if it is not TT80/Rank it is 3*.
My refines at this point, except for the belt, are between +2 and +3s.
All our curses are useful, and if you think about, unlike debuffs, you can only have 1 curse active at a given time, that is how powerful they are.
@LinZeta. I agree with you. We are the easiest class to get away with playing bad, however we are very hard to play really well. Everyday I play, it feels like I learn something new about venos....Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
_River - Heavens Tear wrote: »I just read this. But do you have the pdef to support that o.o; without the pdef, hp isn't everything..... squishy is still squishy no matter the hp ^^;
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Last night I managed to survive a triple BM teamup... in human form.
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So your ~7k pdef is in fox form then? I'm not trying to call you out or anything, I'm just trying to see how the different builds compare in practice. My defensive stats with heavy are, except for hp, just a little less than the ones Poison posted, which I figure is pretty good considering I'm 10 levels lower.IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »I have 2 full sets of arcane armor, one is sharded mostly with beautiful garnets (3 sockest) and most have double pdef bonus stats. I also have TT80 pdef neck at +2 and TT80pdef belt at +4. All my armor has full elemental resistances as well and if it is not TT80/Rank it is 3*.
My refines at this point, except for the belt, are between +2 and +3s.
She's got over 3k more hp than me though, and her vit would only account for about 880 of that difference. I've sharded and refined my level 70/80 gear as much as I think is reasonable (+2, 3 flawless) so it's not like I'm slacking there.0
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