Why bother having 71+ mobs at all?

VictoryPets - Dreamweaver

This is a quick post regarding the leveling process beyond level 71.

Here's your options: kill mobs for 500 xp a piece = 60k per hour, add in justice quest , let's say 40k, total 100k per hour. This pretty much holds true from lvl71 to 100.

Do crazy stone = 100k approx at lvl 70, raising to 300k+ at lvl95. Takes 10 minutes, repeatable every day.

Do world quest= 100k at 70, 200k at 80, 300k at 90, time varies from 10 minutes using teleports and stones to 2-3 hours.

Do repeatable quest in past lvl90+ = 30k in 10 minutes or so as long as you don't get black hole guy.

Do bounty hunter quest= 300k at 90+ if you can either 1. Find a squad to do it with (easy if you belong to a guild with many 90+) or 2. spend the time farming the mats to make the wines to wine the instance. Takes less than an hour.

Do cube if you can afford it. Rooms 1-50 in less than an hour generally, reward at 90+ 450k xp plus one page (30 required for one random skill book out of a not very useful selection). Rooms 51-60 have a chance of giving you book credit cards (or a very slim chance of a cog thingy)...and 20 book credit cards make ONE old book page, so if you can afford the 1.5 mill or so to complete rooms 51-60 in about 100 runs you might have enough to make one skill book at the forge....

Now let's compare all those with rebirth: takes 2.5 hrs or so, gamma rewards:
1.2 million xp, 2-300k gold, random chances of shards worth 1m+, hardly ticks charms once regen things are put up, after first couple of waves 3 players are basically shepherds and the other three stand there aoeing.

It gets even worse with delta: 2.2 MILLION XP, shards and OLD BOOK PAGES (2-3 per run).

When you take a look at those rewards it's no wonder so many people choose the rebirth option and run 4-5 deltas a day- it's easy with a good squad and you can lvl from 96 -100 in a couple weeks, gain an big pile of cash and get all your skill books.

Compare that to those who want to solo the game or don't have high levels in their guild or just don't like semi- afk leveling...they don't get all those easy rewards and will take months grinding on normal mobs to achieve lvl100.

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just pointing out the skewed lvling system in the game. There really should be a way of being able to receive a decent amount of xp and drops by grinding on mobs and doing quests, but for some reason the game designers felt that despite needing 20 million+ xp around lvl95 you should get 50-100 xp more per mob than you did at lvl40! No real decent quests and no real way of getting the drops awarded to those that like watching waves of mobs come towards them whilst aoeing.

And just because I like to do things the hard way, I'm attempting to get to lvl100 without ever having zhenned and without ever doing a rebirth on my main (cleric had to help a couple gammas- just in case you think i don't know what rebirths are all about). It's kind of like asking why people climb mountains- 'because it's there'. I know I will fall behind all the rebirthers- but it's never been about the level to me, it's all about setting a target and getting there.

I have no objections about people doing rebirths, etc and in fact actively encourage members of my guild to do so if they wish ( we have around 30 or 40 lvl71+ who can) as it's something that encourages co operation between members and the use of vent. I just wish the designers had come up with a more even reward system between the various ways of gaining xp... but then most MMO's run into this same problem.

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear

Mobs are not exp to me,they are just small safe deposit boxes to be cracked open.

Darkjagans - Heavens Tear

VictoryPets - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is a quick post regarding the leveling process beyond level 71.

Compare that to those who want to solo the game or don't have high levels in their guild or just don't like semi- afk leveling...they don't get all those easy rewards and will take months grinding on normal mobs to achieve lvl100

Ah a fellow companion

Zhen is EEEEEEEEEEvil and Cube... well my luck sucks...

I'd do Rebirth IF I could though, but I don't have many friends and I'm not in those large guilds either and the fact that I've never done it at all puts people off, anyone wana go Rebirth with me? :P

Alyyy - Sanctuary

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Mobs are not exp to me,they are just small safe deposit boxes to be cracked open.

at ur lvl ....wtf?



and the game is major off balance lol

cloezy1

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Mobs are not exp to me,they are just small safe deposit boxes to be cracked open.

Thats epic lulz. I loved that.

Rurik_Niall - Dreamweaver

Much like trying to get a job.
Potential employee: "I'd like a job washing dishes please."
Employer: "Do you have any experience working in a professional kitchen washing dishes before?"
Potential employee: "What?! No! I'm only 16!"
Employer: "No previous experience, no job."
Potential employee: "Experience? A brain dead chimpanzee could do the job!"
Employer: "No experience, no job."
Potential employee: "How am I supposed to get experience if you won't hire me in the first place?"
Employer: "Get a job at another restaurant washing dishes."
Potential employee: "Another restaurant where they'll tell me the exact same thing as you."
Employer: "Correct."
Potential employee: "Jackass."

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary

Darkjagans - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'd do Rebirth IF I could though, but I don't have many friends and I'm not those large guilds either and the fact that I've never done it at all puts people off, anyone wana go Rebirth with me? :P

This.

Most of us would be doing rebirth, but no experience and you're simply told to gtfo. Very few factions will actually do rb and even fewer will train inexperienced guildies to experienced status. What's funny is those with experience complain frequently they can never find squads. I wonder why...

Atm I skip cs and occasionally skip wq in order to fund my lv80 gear and equips. Of course, the drop-rate on mobs past 70 drops drastically so even that isn't a reliable money maker.
When I was a nub I used to wonder why 90+ members of the large guilds were hunting mid-mats when they could kill lv100 mobs and do instances and get mega rich.....but now I know

Alyyy - Sanctuary

i dislike rebirth with great intensity

Reivi - Sanctuary

Rurik_Niall - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Much like trying to get a job.
Potential employee: "I'd like a job washing dishes please."
Employer: "Do you have any experience working in a professional kitchen washing dishes before?"
Potential employee: "What?! No! I'm only 16!"
Employer: "No previous experience, no job."
Potential employee: "Experience? A brain dead chimpanzee could do the job!"
Employer: "No experience, no job."
Potential employee: "How am I supposed to get experience if you won't hire me in the first place?"
Employer: "Get a job at another restaurant washing dishes."
Potential employee: "Another restaurant where they'll tell me the exact same thing as you."
Employer: "Correct."
Potential employee: "Jackass."

in what world do you live?

an employers acting like the jackass you describe will never find any good aid, nor keep it for a long run .

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear

I agree that the mob XP at lvl 70+ is ridiculously low.

Even with an Esoterica, the average mob XP is only 750 which means together with a Justice you have to kill about 100 Mob just to get a measly 100K.

Since it takes ~3.5 Mil XP to level up at lvl 80, you would have to do this a mind numbing 35 times. Talk about BORING.

They should introduce 200% XP Esotericas for level 70+. Then we would get 1500XP per Mob cutting the grinding required in half. Still bad but an improvement.

Fireblood - Harshlands

What is this grinding you speak off?

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear

Fireblood - Harshlands wrote: »

What is this grinding you speak off?

Eh, ???? and why did u post in invisible black text?

Fireblood - Harshlands

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Eh, ???? and why did u post in invisible black text?

I has uber ninja powas b:sin

FionaCattail - Sanctuary

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

This.

Most of us would be doing rebirth, but no experience and you're simply told to gtfo. Very few factions will actually do rb and even fewer will train inexperienced guildies to experienced status. What's funny is those with experience complain frequently they can never find squads. I wonder why...

Atm I skip cs and occasionally skip wq in order to fund my lv80 gear and equips. Of course, the drop-rate on mobs past 70 drops drastically so even that isn't a reliable money maker.
When I was a nub I used to wonder why 90+ members of the large guilds were hunting mid-mats when they could kill lv100 mobs and do instances and get mega rich.....but now I know

people who know me, know that I did rebirth for like 5 months (over 250 runs 142 completed ones), and trained I don't know how many people.. and I've tried to pass on those "beliefs" to others.. I agree.. most squads are no exp, don't bother.. but the ones that I've worked with, are "we were noobs once and someone taught us, let's give the guy a chance"..

unfortunately, now I'm 86, and it's time for delta, and I'm in the same boat.. either no squads looking to do delta, none needing a veno, or, more typically, "oh, your a delta noob, we'll find someone else"

truekossy

Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »

in what world do you live?

an employers acting like the jackass you describe will never find any good aid, nor keep it for a long run .

Methinks you missed the point of that post.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

I like it that the game is set up this way. It lets me level very slowly. The slower I level the longer time I spend playing the game. Fast leveling = bad. You can see it in fourm posts. "Why is there nothing to do at higher levels?" why its because you leveled too fast for them to have time to add it of course!

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

Rurik_Niall - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Much like trying to get a job.
Potential employee: "I'd like a job washing dishes please."
Employer: "Do you have any experience working in a professional kitchen washing dishes before?"
Potential employee: "What?! No! I'm only 16!"
Employer: "No previous experience, no job."
Potential employee: "Experience? A brain dead chimpanzee could do the job!"
Employer: "No experience, no job."
Potential employee: "How am I supposed to get experience if you won't hire me in the first place?"
Employer: "Get a job at another restaurant washing dishes."
Potential employee: "Another restaurant where they'll tell me the exact same thing as you."
Employer: "Correct."
Potential employee: "Jackass."

story of my life right here.

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I like it that the game is set up this way. It lets me level very slowly. The slower I level the longer time I spend playing the game. Fast leveling = bad. You can see it in fourm posts. "Why is there nothing to do at higher levels?" why its because you leveled too fast for them to have time to add it of course!

There is a big difference between leveling slow (and having fun while doing so) and leveling without a brain.

Killing 3500 mob to go up one level is kinda brainless. I think that is what this post is about, the fact that it is a mindless grind fest if you choose to level on Mobs.

That is one of the reasons why I just level this char on CS and WQ atm, and am playing more on a PvP server.

As for what to do at higher levels, well PWI just needs to get off their butt and introduce new expansion packs. If they do it right they will make a ton of money and higher level players will have something to keep them interested in the game.

Another popular MMO that I can't name, has kept their player base and profits at a ridiculously high level by continuing to release new expansions.

Baraya - Dreamweaver

Rurik_Niall - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Much like trying to get a job.
Potential employee: "I'd like a job washing dishes please."
Employer: "Do you have any experience working in a professional kitchen washing dishes before?"
Potential employee: "What?! No! I'm only 16!"
Employer: "No previous experience, no job."
Potential employee: "Experience? A brain dead chimpanzee could do the job!"
Employer: "No experience, no job."
Potential employee: "How am I supposed to get experience if you won't hire me in the first place?"
Employer: "Get a job at another restaurant washing dishes."
Potential employee: "Another restaurant where they'll tell me the exact same thing as you."
Employer: "Correct."
Potential employee: "Jackass."

Sadly, this is quite true. You just keep searching, and every time the job you're trying for gets easier and more stupid until you're doing **** work. My first job was pushing shopping carts. I say go to college and forget about the working world until then. So, what is PW's equivalent to college? O.o :P

Zoe - Heavens Tear

If you don't like to grind, why are you playing an mmo?

Just go play Jade Dynasty, it has a built in botting system that will grind for you.

Grinding in PWI gets me too much exp. I just get a level and reach 7% the same day. That's really too fast from just grinding.

Gregen - Lost City

I don't grind for exp anymore. I grind for money.

Gregen - Lost City

It looks like many people forgot the true nature of an MMO, which is kill monster after monster and watch your bar slowly fill up. Aside from doing quests (not "dailies") this is the truest way to play.

XME_Norou - Dreamweaver

Oh Vic.. you actually posted itb:chuckle.

Ill throw out the same line I did in Vent: 'People who figured out RB and learned to work together as a squad don't deserve to be rewarded?'

I find it disheartening reading some of these posts.. who honestly believes going out and doing your own thing by yourself.. deserves a greater reward that getting 6 people to squad and apply a coordinated effort to finish something? The people who are complaining they cant get into RB squads because they have no experience.. SHOULD START SQUADING TOGETHER AND GET SOME... if they want to learn it: Do something about it themselves. Its no one's responsibility to teach them.

Is it gonna cost more? Sure.
Is it gonna be harder? Definitely.

But that's why the rewards are greater.. it takes more work and more money to complete.. the people who are completing it have paid their dues. If you WERE lucky enough to have some one teach you.. well then its nice to have friends isn't it? You're on a MMO... with thousands of other people.. it's intended for people to work together on things.. its not going to encourage solo'ing.

DarkSniper - Lost City

Step1: Go read every guide you can on RB
Step 2: Look for videos on RB
Step 3: Talk to people you know who have done RB
Step 4: When people ask if you have experience doing RB tell them yes.

Gregen - Lost City

XME_Norou - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oh Vic.. you actually posted itb:chuckle.

Ill throw out the same line I did in Vent: 'People who figured out RB and learned to work together as a squad don't deserve to be rewarded?'

I find it disheartening reading some of these posts.. who honestly believes going out and doing your own thing by yourself.. deserves a greater reward that getting 6 people to squad and apply a coordinated effort to finish something? The people who are complaining they cant get into RB squads because they have no experience.. SHOULD START SQUADING TOGETHER AND GET SOME... if they want to learn it: Do something about it themselves. Its no one's responsibility to teach them.

Is it gonna cost more? Sure.
Is it gonna be harder? Definitely.

But that's why the rewards are greater.. it takes more work and more money to complete.. the people who are completing it have paid their dues. If you WERE lucky enough to have some one teach you.. well then its nice to have friends isn't it? You're on a MMO... with thousands of other people.. it's intended for people to work together on things.. its not going to encourage solo'ing.

Yeah you make a good point. Most of the time I'm just too lazy to bother finding people to do things because most of the time people are busy with something or just not online.

Darkjagans - Heavens Tear

DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »

Step1: Go read every guide you can on RB
Step 2: Look for videos on RB
Step 3: Talk to people you know who have done RB
Step 4: When people ask if you have experience doing RB tell them yes.

They won't be happy once they see your sloppiness and when you start to ask inevitable questions, sometimes reading/watching guides just isn't enough and a very rare select few will teach a stranger how to do Rebirth

And if they do find out you're lying that you have experience, you also risk being blacklisted not just by the squad, but by their guilds and friends which just worsens the situation, I prefer not to lie

EDIT: I base my opinion as a lvl96 that has never done delta, it might be alot easier to find gamma squads as they are more tolerant due to the easier difficulty compared to delta i assume, but those who do delta have very little tolerance for failure

DaCage - Sanctuary

I dont think people are saying RB's should be nerfed. But rather that the grinding should be buffed a little bit. In my opinion RB users deserve the xp and reward they get. They are commiting 3 hours off there life to do a run that requires constant attention. But for a non RB user like myself grinding really doesnet give you the exp that reflects the time taken in it. But ofcourse it is possible to grind without a charm( I allways grind without a charm) doing RB's requires charms, even hp and spirit for some classes.

RB users put time and energy in there runs and deserve the rewards they recive for it.

Hari - Heavens Tear

VictoryPets - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It gets even worse with delta: 2.2 MILLION XP, shards and OLD BOOK PAGES (2-3 per run).

When you take a look at those rewards it's no wonder so many people choose the rebirth option and run 4-5 deltas a day- it's easy with a good squad and you can lvl from 96 -100 in a couple weeks, gain an big pile of cash and get all your skill books.

Just something to consider...

1) You ALMOST NEVER get 2-3 book pages per run. 2 per run is considered good, and sometimes people are left with none.

2) Shards aren't that easy to get, maybe 1 or 2 good ones (amber, saph, garnet, cit) drop per run. And only one person gets one.

3) It's not that easy to finish a delta. I'm in the #1 guild on HT, and there's only one barb in my faction I've never failed a rebirth with. About half the squads I'm in fail - most at wave 9 because the barb screws up, or before then because the BM can't hold agro.

4) Get all your skill books? hardly. There's around 10 skill books you can make from old book pages, and I know no one in my guild with more than 3. And these are people that do more than one rebirth a day.

You may have experience with gamma on a cleric (and clerics only do one thing the entire rb, so that doesn't say much), but delta is different b:chuckle

Isala - Sanctuary

DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »

Step1: Go read every guide you can on RB
Step 2: Look for videos on RB
Step 3: Talk to people you know who have done RB
Step 4: When people ask if you have experience doing RB tell them yes.

Bah. It's not even really that hard. Just gather a couple of friends, and fill in the holes. World Chat is your friend.

Darkjagans - Heavens Tear

DaCage - Sanctuary wrote: »

I dont think people are saying RB's should be nerfed. But rather that the grinding should be buffed a little bit.

This.

/10char

Zoe - Heavens Tear

I joined a rebirth delta with an experienced party that knew full well it was my first ever time running any rebirth, ever. They simply said what to do, I did it, and we cleared the entire thing 100%. Even got 6 old book pages, one for everyone.

Some people out there are willing to take on new people to RB, after all how can you get experience if you never do it?