+10% evasion, what is it worth?

erethizon1
erethizon1 Posts: 554 Arc User
edited June 2009 in General Discussion
I just created my first item that had a +10% evasion bonus on it. This is the first time I have ever seen an item that and a percent bonus to evasion rather than just a set number. I looked it up on the pwdatabase and saw that there is only a 0.25% chance to get this bonus (which explains why I have never seen it). The bonus is on an evasion necklace that is only 1 star (but has a couple other blue bonuses as well). My question is, what is +10% evasion worth? I have almost no evasion on my character so it is a pretty much useless bonus to me, but how much do you people that have high evasion feel such a bonus is worth?
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  • DollParts - Sanctuary
    DollParts - Sanctuary Posts: 206 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    lvl 77 legendary mold - Pirate King Seal has +10% evasion.
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  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited June 2009
    Evasion Necklace:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8364
    Lvl 86

    Elemental Belt:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8371
    Lvl 77

    Depending on its level, there's very little use for it. If you're 87+, you're better off with the HP +5% necklaces.

    The only real use for it is as a BM against BMs. Magic never misses, Barbs have a no miss attack, and Archers have insanely high accuracy, it doesn't matter how much evasion you have. Even barbs get high accuracy with minimum dex as long as they have two 50% accuracy rings.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    evasion is worthless in general. sooner or later, barbs will start having misty forests and start sharding high lvl accuracy shards, same with bms. archers themselves have high accuracy anyways.

    the other half of the classes dont miss
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  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Not sure it'd be worth it much, even if you have high evade already, though I'd be curious to see what it does for my High-dex strength hybrid barb. He's only early 2x but his evasion numbers are already pretty sweet.

    Now, a 2x evasion ornament... *drool* that would make him nigh unhittable later on, methinks XD

    What's your server and what's the necklace's level requirement?
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  • BratFury - Heavens Tear
    BratFury - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    The necklace is worth whatever some1 will pay for it. There really is no set amount honestly. I see cat shops all the time with black dye for 550k... (I still see it there b/c its too high, no one has bought it). Just b/c one person thinks its worth that much doesn't mean others will.

    I once traded a 2 mil robe for a ball gown. Would most ppl think the gown was worth it, no! But it was to me I wanted it. Never underestimate or overestimate what things are worth. Always start high and bring the price down rather than mess yourself out of coins :)

    I would think that evasion would be really nice for a barb. I try to get evasion stuff for my mag attackers. I don't need accuracy as I never miss. But I'd like other things to miss me!!!!!! So whoever said it was useless is wrong. The higher your evasion the higher the chance is to be missed when hit.
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  • BratFury - Heavens Tear
    BratFury - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Quilue I am confused as to why you think evasion has ANYTHING to do with the accuracy of any class or gear?

    Even if mag attackers don't miss, mag attackers aren't all you fight.

    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    evasion is worthless in general. sooner or later, barbs will start having misty forests and start sharding high lvl accuracy shards, same with bms. archers themselves have high accuracy anyways.

    the other half of the classes dont miss
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  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I try to get evasion stuff for my mag attackers. I don't need accuracy as I never miss. But I'd like other things to miss me!!!!!!
    BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Quilue I am confused as to why you think evasion has ANYTHING to do with the accuracy of any class or gear?

    Even if mag attackers don't miss, mag attackers aren't all you fight.

    I believe what she means is that she doesn't want to use points on Dex to raise Evasion, because she doesn't need the extra Accuracy too. So she'd rather spend points on other things, and use +Evasion items. Win Win.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    i meant however high your evasion is, it doesn't matter later in the game. evasion is simply not something that's worth investing in. accuracy of others has something to do with it simply because other classes can get so much of it.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=324262

    and sure, magic classes are not all we fight, but the classes that dont use magic missing less and less later in the game
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  • BratFury - Heavens Tear
    BratFury - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Ok now that I understand. I will still admit tho that I like to have evasion gears. And just an fyi when you are in a dungeon right in the middle and can't fly up, nor can you run to a safe zone... evasion is nice... its real nice.

    Someone has a siggy on here that sums it up well... miss miss miss miss miss miss miss hit(ow) miss miss miss!




    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i meant however high your evasion is, it doesn't matter later in the game. evasion is simply not something that's worth investing in.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=324262



    i believe what i meant is that i raise dex for damage and crits, i dont socket evasion shards nor do i get +evasion equipment as opposed to say, pdef
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  • Agilaz - Dreamweaver
    Agilaz - Dreamweaver Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I don't think the additional evasion is worth much. Especially not if your evasion is low anyway. If you had high evasion it would add up for a bit more but I still doubt it would make a big difference.
    Evasion is not really "evasion" in this game it seems... My archer has about 1400 evasion, which I assume is quite high compared to other classes, and he still gets hit most of the time. :/ Imo he should dodge much more than he actually does but maybe it'll get better later on. (I don't pvp btw so I can't say anything about the dodge rate vs other players)

    However, it's always personal preference. And as one of the above posters said, it's always worth how much is someone willing to pay for. Personally I wouldn't invest in evasion at this point (where I am in the game now), but I'm sure there are players who would.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ok now that I understand. I will still admit tho that I like to have evasion gears. And just an fyi when you are in a dungeon right in the middle and can't fly up, nor can you run to a safe zone... evasion is nice... its real nice.

    Someone has a siggy on here that sums it up well... miss miss miss miss miss miss miss hit(ow) miss miss miss!

    Said person also gets 2-shotted by their favorite opponent via magic which does not miss.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    truekossy wrote: »
    Said person also gets 2-shotted by their favorite opponent via magic which does not miss.

    Who happens to be how many levels higher than she is?
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ok now that I understand. I will still admit tho that I like to have evasion gears. And just an fyi when you are in a dungeon right in the middle and can't fly up, nor can you run to a safe zone... evasion is nice... its real nice.

    Someone has a siggy on here that sums it up well... miss miss miss miss miss miss miss hit(ow) miss miss miss!
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Who happens to be how many levels higher than she is?

    Point still stands, though. Once you start fighting opponents wh use accuracy shards to make up for lack of dex or who use magic, evasion becomes far less useful. There's really only two classes in the gae that should ever have much concern about missing: Barbs and BMs. Out of that, one of them has a buff they can use which increases their accuracy at the cost of a percent of their large HP pool, and the other can easily socket for accuracy and is encouraged to start pumping dex at least somewhat after they cap their vit.

    And that's BEFORE we take into account +accuracy gear.
  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    the other half of the classes dont miss

    were u being sarcastic O.o? when i fist fight some1 its like miss miss miss miss ya ... its always fun
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  • FedTehNoob - Lost City
    FedTehNoob - Lost City Posts: 557 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Hey, whatever tickles your fancy! b:pleased

    I got this ring a while back, and while it may not be that great, it's still smexy in MY eyes b:dirtyb:dirty

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  • Kamikiri - Lost City
    Kamikiri - Lost City Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    FedTehNoob - Lost City wrote: »
    Hey, whatever tickles your fancy! b:pleased

    I got this ring a while back, and while it may not be that great, it's still smexy in MY eyes b:dirtyb:dirty

    accring.png

    You should see my sexy 10% accuracy +9 vit ring o.o
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  • FedTehNoob - Lost City
    FedTehNoob - Lost City Posts: 557 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Kamikiri - Lost City wrote: »
    You should see my sexy 10% accuracy +9 vit ring o.o

    Idk....I'm afraid that if I saw it, I might...2q390lf.jpg


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  • Rillien - Heavens Tear
    Rillien - Heavens Tear Posts: 569 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    ^^Once I got a mob drop +2% crit +10% accuracy ring. Quite nice b:laugh
  • FedTehNoob - Lost City
    FedTehNoob - Lost City Posts: 557 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ^^Once I got a mob drop +2% crit +10% accuracy ring. Quite nice b:laugh

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    How much did you sell for?
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  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    i got an 8x dodge belt with +10% dodge 3x. i can't even sell it for 50k.

    dodge is worth so little because, just like accuracy, it's "unreliable". you can have 10k accuracy and miss 10 times in a row. it's all by luck. if you're so afraid of being hit by physical, use pdef jewelery.
  • Death - Harshlands
    Death - Harshlands Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    +10% evasion is only significant to someone who already has a high evasion, like a dex blademaster or archer... +10% of nothing is really nothing.
    Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ^^Once I got a mob drop +2% crit +10% accuracy ring. Quite nice b:laugh


    Wow... on an off-topic but related note... The other day I got a great drop, a lvl 78 magic ring with +4 mag +4 mag +unidentified. Took it to the merchant and viola add -3% channeling.
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    i got a +2% crit -3% chant ring from fb79 awhile back.
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    truekossy wrote: »
    Said person also gets 2-shotted by their favorite opponent via magic which does not miss.
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Who happens to be how many levels higher than she is?
    truekossy wrote: »
    Point still stands, though. Once you start fighting opponents wh use accuracy shards to make up for lack of dex or who use magic, evasion becomes far less useful. There's really only two classes in the gae that should ever have much concern about missing: Barbs and BMs. Out of that, one of them has a buff they can use which increases their accuracy at the cost of a percent of their large HP pool, and the other can easily socket for accuracy and is encouraged to start pumping dex at least somewhat after they cap their vit.

    And that's BEFORE we take into account +accuracy gear.



    Oh, hai. b:laugh You guys must be talking about me. Yes. As Tear has pointed out, he two shots me. Which is why I have a Genie with Nullify Poison.

    Now... Here's the thing, and something I really think all of us know. I'm an LA build, which means, let's face it, my HP sucks worse than everyone except Pures. If I wasn't 2 shotted by magic, I'd seriously doubt the player attacking me. Which is why, and I've never really brought this up, my Robes, which I also carry around at all times, are getting HP Shards in them. Combining refining, with my HP hat I recently obtained, and the HP shards I plan on using, and I'm going to start being a threat to casters.

    Which, by the way, I've never actually lost a serious duel to a wizard. And I munch on Clerics. See, the thing with Venos is, their casting speed is really fast, not to mention, they have a pet. In serious duels VS Tear, I have to be prepared for him and his pet, and I cannot beat both. I'd be seriously shocked if I DO beat Tear any time soon. Once I get my Anti-Veno Genie finished, on the other hand.... Anti-Bleed, Anti-Stun, Anti-Wood, AMP... /drool. I love Vit Genies.

    Wizards, on the other hand have a looooooong casting time, which can be interupted, by skills such as Earthquake, or Shriek, and Clerics... Ahhh. Poor clerics. They bounce off my Fox boosted LA when they try Plume Shot, and I have the skill Heart of Steel for the Metal Immunity. They try to Ironheart, and it can be purged.

    Now, as for the secret, and the reason for my Sig? It's not just about the Evasion folks. That's just one piece. The others are my Befuddling Mist as well as the genie skill Blinding Sand. Both decrease accuracy by 70% for a set amount of time, and they stack. Any ground mob is helpless against skills, that when combined, reduce accuracy to ZERO. For the time when I can't use my Genie, due to Energy costs, my natural Evasion, and Befuddling mist still makes mobs miss at least every other attack. Mobs my level have an 18% chance to miss. I can't tell you how much % it is when they're Misted, as there is no display to show.

    So, for me? I'd probably squee like a Fangirl if I could get my hands on +10 Eva.
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    no offense, but puring an ironheart? are you an idiot? you should be purging plume shell so your pet can make up for your non-existant damage.
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    no offense, but puring an ironheart? are you an idiot? you should be purging plume shell so your pet can make up for your non-existant damage.

    No offense, but it seems you misunderstand one thing. That's assuming Plume Shell is in play. Because I purge that thing instantly, which also removes all of the cleric's buffs they go to all the effort of putting on. Which does allow me to smash through an Ironheart before it actually starts gaining power. If they try stacking Ironheart and Plume Shell, either way, both get purged. You assume I'm an idiot here. Clerics don't scare me in the least. Robes, they're squishy, LA, they have no HP, either way, they're an easy kill for a Veno who stops everything they try. And, really, only a moron would use Plume Shell off the start, knowing a Veno can purge it. That's like all those fail people who try to spark against me. Purge, purge, purge. Use the chi for attacks, and you might pull it off.
  • erethizon1
    erethizon1 Posts: 554 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Lareish - Harshlands wrote: »
    Not sure it'd be worth it much, even if you have high evade already, though I'd be curious to see what it does for my High-dex strength hybrid barb. He's only early 2x but his evasion numbers are already pretty sweet.

    Now, a 2x evasion ornament... *drool* that would make him nigh unhittable later on, methinks XD

    What's your server and what's the necklace's level requirement?

    The necklace is level 72 and is located on Heaven's Tear.
  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    if your situation could be anymore impractical i'd cry.

    sleep veno > 3-4 hit pet > 4 hit veno. b:bye

    and ya, that's actually a practical situation. assuming you purged, i'd just rebuff myself while you sleep.
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    if your situation could be anymore impractical i'd cry.

    sleep veno > 3-4 hit pet > 4 hit veno. b:bye

    and ya, that's actually a practical situation. assuming you purged, i'd just rebuff myself while you sleep.

    Yes. You're right. That is a practical solution to winning against a Veno. I can't argue with that in the least. But most clerics I've fought don't think of tactics like that. They spam IH, toss on Plume Shell, and try to overpower me with spells that barely dent me. Most clerics, and honestly, most people, don't think during duels. They spam, spam, spam. And lose, lose, lose.
  • Aesprika - Sanctuary
    Aesprika - Sanctuary Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Lol, anything can look good on paper. :X

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